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Re: Gurley Red Flag

Postby Phaded » Sun Feb 22, 2015 7:54 am

TommyL31 wrote:
klazk wrote:TODD GURLEY did not refuse physical. Participated in everything except manual knee exam. Will do that at medical recheck in 6 wks. Common. --- David J. Chao, MD ‏@ProFootballDoc
So wait, you mean to tell me that a football reporter jumped the gun and reported a complete non-story without knowing he context/details? Football reporting has become such a joke. Everyone is way more concerned with getting the scoop than actually being good at their job. By posting blurbs like this for discussion we are contributing to the problem.
...do you find that a new thing that they jumped the gun though?

...I don't, at all.

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Re: Gurley Red Flag

Postby zeeshan2 » Sun Feb 22, 2015 8:55 am

From Rotoworld:

Dr. James Andrew said the physicians at the Combine who looked at Georgia RB Todd Gurley's knee are "all happy about what they saw."

Gurley is only 3 1/2 months removed from ACL surgery, so he understandably didn't allow full examinations. Andrews says the draft's best back is "probably six weeks ahead with his recovery" and is aided by the fact that there was no other damage inside his knee other than the clean ACL tear. One team doctor told ESPN's Chris Mortensen that Gurley should be ready to "fully play the game" nine months after surgery, which puts him on track for the NFL preseason. Straightforward ACL repairs are becoming less and less of a long-term concern for world-class athletes every year. Feb 22 - 8:14 AM

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Re: Gurley Red Flag

Postby maxhyde » Sun Feb 22, 2015 9:07 am

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QandA wrote:Will you guys PLEASE stop hosing down the flames of fear? Some of us are trying to cause hysteria so Gurley drops as low as possible. I would like to add that I am NOT impressed by Gurley and wouldn't touch him until, 1.09. Thanks.
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Re: Gurley Red Flag

Postby TommyL31 » Sun Feb 22, 2015 9:25 am

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klazk wrote:TODD GURLEY did not refuse physical. Participated in everything except manual knee exam. Will do that at medical recheck in 6 wks. Common. --- David J. Chao, MD ‏@ProFootballDoc
So wait, you mean to tell me that a football reporter jumped the gun and reported a complete non-story without knowing he context/details? Football reporting has become such a joke. Everyone is way more concerned with getting the scoop than actually being good at their job. By posting blurbs like this for discussion we are contributing to the problem.
...do you find that a new thing that they jumped the gun though?

...I don't, at all.
I was alluding to the poor reporting on the Ray Rice situation and the travesty of the "DeflateGate" reporting:

11 of 12 balls underinflated 2 PSI

Oh wait, they didn't actually log the PSI pregame

Oh wait, only 1 ball was seriously underinflated

Yeah, but a Patriots staffer tried to introduce an unapproved ball into play

Oh, but I guess it was an NFL official who handed him that ball. Note this report came out around 12 hours after the previous one.

This would have been a bad enough year for the NFL with all of the big name players getting suspended (Peterson, Rice, Hardy, Gordon again) but the media have essentially been doing all they can to pour gasoline on any fire they can. So every time I see something reported about the NFL that can be disproven by simply fact checking and checking with additional sources it frustrates me. We have enough to spin our wheels about without re-posting and re-tweeting irresponsible journalism.
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Re: Gurley Red Flag

Postby clarion contrarion » Sun Feb 22, 2015 9:54 am

TommyL31 wrote:
I was alluding to the poor reporting on the Ray Rice situation and the travesty of the "DeflateGate" reporting:

11 of 12 balls underinflated 2 PSI

Oh wait, they didn't actually log the PSI pregame

Oh wait, only 1 ball was seriously underinflated

Yeah, but a Patriots staffer tried to introduce an unapproved ball into play

Oh, but I guess it was an NFL official who handed him that ball. Note this report came out around 12 hours after the previous one.

This would have been a bad enough year for the NFL with all of the big name players getting suspended (Peterson, Rice, Hardy, Gordon again) but the media have essentially been doing all they can to pour gasoline on any fire they can. So every time I see something reported about the NFL that can be disproven by simply fact checking and checking with additional sources it frustrates me. We have enough to spin our wheels about without re-posting and re-tweeting irresponsible journalism.[/quote]

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Re: Gurley Red Flag

Postby FantasyFreak » Sun Feb 22, 2015 1:11 pm

zeeshan2 wrote:From Rotoworld:

Dr. James Andrew said the physicians at the Combine who looked at Georgia RB Todd Gurley's knee are "all happy about what they saw."

Gurley is only 3 1/2 months removed from ACL surgery, so he understandably didn't allow full examinations. Andrews says the draft's best back is "probably six weeks ahead with his recovery" and is aided by the fact that there was no other damage inside his knee other than the clean ACL tear. One team doctor told ESPN's Chris Mortensen that Gurley should be ready to "fully play the game" nine months after surgery, which puts him on track for the NFL preseason. Straightforward ACL repairs are becoming less and less of a long-term concern for world-class athletes every year. Feb 22 - 8:14 AM
I have my doubts that he's 6 weeks ahead. This coming from the same guy that said RG3 was Okay to play.
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Re: Gurley Red Flag

Postby FantasyFreak » Sun Feb 22, 2015 1:13 pm

John Paul wrote:Doesn't worry me.
Does the fact he's played 14 out of a possible 27 games over the past 2 seasons? For a guy that's suppose to be a "workhorse back", he can't seem to stay on the field.
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Re: Gurley Red Flag

Postby C_n_red_again » Sun Feb 22, 2015 2:06 pm

How many college football games have some of you guys watched seriously? Have you guys really watched gurley run? Dude is elite. Haven't seen someone do the things he's done at his size in college since ap who btw was injured every year in college. I'll take my chances with gurley
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Re: Gurley Red Flag

Postby joekool » Sun Feb 22, 2015 3:23 pm

C_n_red_again wrote:How many college football games have some of you guys watched seriously? Have you guys really watched gurley run? Dude is elite. Haven't seen someone do the things he's done at his size in college since ap who btw was injured every year in college. I'll take my chances with gurley

hmmm last guy compared to AP was...Trent Richardson!


that said, I am trying to trade up to get Gurley in one of my leagues ;)

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Re: Gurley Red Flag

Postby FantasyFreak » Sun Feb 22, 2015 5:35 pm

C_n_red_again wrote:How many college football games have some of you guys watched seriously? Have you guys really watched gurley run? Dude is elite. Haven't seen someone do the things he's done at his size in college since ap who btw was injured every year in college. I'll take my chances with gurley
A lot. most of his games, actually. He's not that good IMO. Elite in college, yes. I don't think he'll be an elite pro. Or more to the point, I think Gordon will be a better pro. I wouldn't take him top 4, but your entitled to take him wherever you want, just don't assume I haven't watched him play because I don't think he's as good as you do.

AP carried the ball 339, 220, 188 time in his 3 years.

Gurley carried over Peterson's lowest total once. Gurley's ability to carry the load is a lot less proven than AP's coming out of college. You are obviously more of a risk taker with your pick than I. With Gordon, Cooper and White being as good as they are, I can't justify taking Todd with the injury history, because I don't think he's a better player respectively than either of those 3. Obviously you do, and you are willing to risk it.

That being said, my red flags with Gurley came with the injury history, not this combine stuff. He hasn't made a dime from football yet, oh wait.....but seriously, why would he risk his career on somebody jerking his knee when he can wait another month? As long as a team has looked at it before the draft, he's good. It makes sense not to have somebody touch it. If he tears his knee again, he's probably done. The risk of a retear in the first 9 months is huge compared to an undamaged ACL, and in the first 24 months I think there is about a 15% chance higher than a normal ACL that has never been torn. After that, the risk is about the same as a normal ACL that has never been torn. He made a smart business decision not to have somebody touch his knee.
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Re: Gurley Red Flag

Postby John Paul » Sun Feb 22, 2015 6:59 pm

FantasyFreak wrote: Does the fact he's played 14 out of a possible 27 games over the past 2 seasons? For a guy that's suppose to be a "workhorse back", he can't seem to stay on the field.
Are you counting suspended games as injury related misses?

Career wise I am tracking 29/35 games over three years, not counting suspension of course. So to answer your question, no. I do hope he sits at first in the NFL just to make sure he is 100% before entering a game. If he winds up on my roster, I am okay with a 'redshirt' rookie year.
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Re: Gurley Red Flag

Postby C_n_red_again » Sun Feb 22, 2015 7:28 pm

There's a reason why almost unananamously professional scouts utter terms like foundation back or elite talent or franchise back when describing his talent. I respect your opinion and going out on a limb and suggesting other backs are better. However I concur with the guys who actually get paid to do this. Best regards
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Re: Gurley Red Flag

Postby FantasyFreak » Sun Feb 22, 2015 8:03 pm

John Paul wrote:
FantasyFreak wrote: Does the fact he's played 14 out of a possible 27 games over the past 2 seasons? For a guy that's suppose to be a "workhorse back", he can't seem to stay on the field.
Are you counting suspended games as injury related misses?

Career wise I am tracking 29/35 games over three years, not counting suspension of course. So to answer your question, no. I do hope he sits at first in the NFL just to make sure he is 100% before entering a game. If he winds up on my roster, I am okay with a 'redshirt' rookie year.
Yes, I am. He was suspended for 4 games. If you are suspended, you don't play. If you are suspended in the NFL, same thing, obviously. Point is, he made a bonehead decision, a selfish decision that cost his team, and himself 4 games. Of course he says it was a mistake, he got caught. Still a character issue IMO. Who says he's done making bonehead decisions, especially when he gets first round money? Point is, one way or another, he hasn't been on the field for even 60% of his teams games over the last 2 seasons. He should definitely red shirt his first year, it could be a disastrous result if he doesn't. He could re-tear the knee, or have confidence issues with it, leading to lack of success, leading to further lack of confidence. No way I pick him, I have a competing team, and Melvin Gordon can step in right away for me. If you are not a competing team, you can wait a year, I will not. (Plus I just think Gordon is better)
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Re: Gurley Red Flag

Postby FantasyFreak » Sun Feb 22, 2015 8:08 pm

C_n_red_again wrote:There's a reason why almost unananamously professional scouts utter terms like foundation back or elite talent or franchise back when describing his talent. I respect your opinion and going out on a limb and suggesting other backs are better. However I concur with the guys who actually get paid to do this. Best regards
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I do concur with these people on a lot of occasions, but they also said the same thing about T-Rich. None of these guys were predicting Le'veon Bell to break out this year, I did. I like the tape on both players. Call it a gut feeling, but I think Gordon has the better career.
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Re: Gurley Red Flag

Postby John Paul » Sun Feb 22, 2015 8:46 pm

I'm cool with people ranking Gordon over Gurley. That may help me to have the chance to pick him. I don't see Trent Richardsom when I watch cutups of Gurley, so I don't trust that example.

Also, I'm just not going to draft based solely on 2015 production. I want long term gains for my team. I believe Gurley will provide that moreso than Gordon. There's still a chance that Cooper, White or Parker may pass him in my final rankings. I'm still checking tape and comparing collegiate production and physical metrics to established players already producing in the NFL.

I just don't see a QB or TE worth a 1st rounder in 2015 so those are the big four for me right now. Gordon is ahead of a lot of players IMO, just not the four I've mentioned.
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