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Re: 2015 Combine Observations

Postby Rye300 » Thu Feb 19, 2015 1:02 pm

dm1129 wrote:Interesting, Gurley and Gordon measure out very, very similarly.


Name School Height Weight Arm Hand
Gurley, Todd Georgia 6005 222 32 1/2 10
Gordon, Melvin Wisconsin 6005 215 32 3/8 9 3/4
I was a little surprised, Gordon has done great work of adding weight but I also wonder how accurate the body composition and weight of Gurleys is. I mean major knee surgery has to have an affect on this no? I mean he wouldnt be doing top notch workouts like he would be had he been healthy all this time. I always find this interesting.
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Re: 2015 Combine Observations

Postby dm1129 » Thu Feb 19, 2015 1:07 pm

Balzac wrote:
pjh0736 wrote:
Billy McFred wrote:
Calvin Johnson, AJ Green, and Antonio Brown all have hands 9 1/4" and under
Antonio Brown isn't 6'5 tho
That is irreverent. The point is that you don't have to have monster hands to be an amazing WR.

Hand size is absolutely relevant. The smaller the hand, the more difficult it is to catch the ball which means other skills such as eye-hand coordination and technique at an elite level are required. Are large hands a requirement to be an elite WR? No, but smaller hands are undoubtedly a disadvantage that must be compensated for. Nine inch hands on a player of DGB's size is surprising and a little disappointing.

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Re: 2015 Combine Observations

Postby dm1129 » Thu Feb 19, 2015 1:26 pm

Rye300 wrote:
dm1129 wrote:Interesting, Gurley and Gordon measure out very, very similarly.


Name School Height Weight Arm Hand
Gurley, Todd Georgia 6005 222 32 1/2 10
Gordon, Melvin Wisconsin 6005 215 32 3/8 9 3/4
I was a little surprised, Gordon has done great work of adding weight but I also wonder how accurate the body composition and weight of Gurleys is. I mean major knee surgery has to have an affect on this no? I mean he wouldnt be doing top notch workouts like he would be had he been healthy all this time. I always find this interesting.

I was surprised by both. I expected Gordon to be somewhat smaller and lighter. I also thought there was a chance Gurley would come in heavy for the exact reason you mentioned, his workouts have been altered for his injury. Gordon has large hands, I am guessing that this time next year no one will be doubting his ability to catch the ball.

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Re: 2015 Combine Observations

Postby Rye300 » Thu Feb 19, 2015 2:35 pm

Yep, I liked that they tried to get him more involved in the passing game this year. I'm a huge Gurley fan and can't wait to see where he goes. I really hope it is a great situation. Lol.
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Re: 2015 Combine Observations

Postby Balzac » Thu Feb 19, 2015 3:12 pm

dm1129 wrote:
Balzac wrote:
pjh0736 wrote:

Antonio Brown isn't 6'5 tho
That is irreverent. The point is that you don't have to have monster hands to be an amazing WR.

Hand size is absolutely relevant. The smaller the hand, the more difficult it is to catch the ball which means other skills such as eye-hand coordination and technique at an elite level are required. Are large hands a requirement to be an elite WR? No, but smaller hands are undoubtedly a disadvantage that must be compensated for. Nine inch hands on a player of DGB's size is surprising and a little disappointing.
The guy's comment in response to Billy was irrelevant. Not that hand size is irrelevant as a whole.

His direct comparison of Calvin has small hands too, so you could say it is irrelevant in that regard. There isn't one thing that makes a WR good so w/e we are on the same page.
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Re: 2015 Combine Observations

Postby captain_insano » Thu Feb 19, 2015 3:52 pm

I have this feeling Rawls is going to have a good combine.

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Re: 2015 Combine Observations

Postby KingsKing » Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:48 pm

Rye300 wrote:
dm1129 wrote:Interesting, Gurley and Gordon measure out very, very similarly.


Name School Height Weight Arm Hand
Gurley, Todd Georgia 6005 222 32 1/2 10
Gordon, Melvin Wisconsin 6005 215 32 3/8 9 3/4
I was a little surprised, Gordon has done great work of adding weight but I also wonder how accurate the body composition and weight of Gurleys is. I mean major knee surgery has to have an affect on this no? I mean he wouldnt be doing top notch workouts like he would be had he been healthy all this time. I always find this interesting.
If anything I think Gurley might have come in light because of his inability to do heavy lower body weight training Squats,Deadlifts etc, because he is unable to do heavy compound movements and intense cardio he may have also cut down his caloric intake so he didn't get soft and fat. I Would be more concerned if Gordon got to size obsessed and put on weight but lost speed,change of direction and acceleration. As we have seen from a few Rb's in the past sometimes it's better to be a big lighter.

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Re: 2015 Combine Observations

Postby nation31 » Thu Feb 19, 2015 6:16 pm

How come no one is talking about Strong measuring in 2 inches shorter than his listed height (6'2" vs 6'4"); I heard he wont run well either. I havent seen much of him; what are his Pros/Cons?

Also, Funchess measured in similarly to DGB, but gets no love?

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Re: 2015 Combine Observations

Postby flyersfan1981 » Thu Feb 19, 2015 6:20 pm

nation31 wrote:How come no one is talking about Strong measuring in 2 inches shorter than his listed height (6'2" vs 6'4"); I heard he wont run well either. I havent seen much of him; what are his Pros/Cons?

Also, Funchess measured in similarly to DGB, but gets no love?
Probably b/c he doesn't catch well or run well.
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Re: 2015 Combine Observations

Postby nation31 » Thu Feb 19, 2015 6:25 pm

flyersfan1981 wrote:
nation31 wrote:How come no one is talking about Strong measuring in 2 inches shorter than his listed height (6'2" vs 6'4"); I heard he wont run well either. I havent seen much of him; what are his Pros/Cons?

Also, Funchess measured in similarly to DGB, but gets no love?
Probably b/c he doesn't catch well or run well.
I assume you are talking about Funchess? Have you seen DGB run well or catch well in the last 3 years? I havent.

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Re: 2015 Combine Observations

Postby ConnSKINS26 » Thu Feb 19, 2015 8:34 pm

nation31 wrote:
flyersfan1981 wrote:
nation31 wrote:How come no one is talking about Strong measuring in 2 inches shorter than his listed height (6'2" vs 6'4"); I heard he wont run well either. I havent seen much of him; what are his Pros/Cons?

Also, Funchess measured in similarly to DGB, but gets no love?
Probably b/c he doesn't catch well or run well.
I assume you are talking about Funchess? Have you seen DGB run well or catch well in the last 3 years? I havent.
Uh, yes. And I've been very critical of DGB's game. But if there are two things he can do well, it's catch the ball and run fast in a straight line. It's his agility and route-running that I have questions about, but Benjamin proved this year that if the targets are there, a jump ball WR who doesn't run good routes can produce. And DGB is more of a deep threat and has better hands.

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Re: 2015 Combine Observations

Postby farmerj3 » Thu Feb 19, 2015 8:40 pm

nation31 wrote:How come no one is talking about Strong measuring in 2 inches shorter than his listed height (6'2" vs 6'4"); I heard he wont run well either. I havent seen much of him; what are his Pros/Cons?

Also, Funchess measured in similarly to DGB, but gets no love?

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Re: 2015 Combine Observations

Postby Cameron Giles » Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:05 pm

My observations:

-Jaelen Strong coming in at 6'2 instead of the rumored 6'4. Definitely hurts his stock a bit. He isn't blazing quick, nor is he a polished route runner with separation ability. Makes a lot of close, contested catches. I like him, but I feel like his 6'4 size and physicality was something to rely on. Not there as much now.
-Stefon Diggs a legit 6'0, 195, 10 hands. Measured in well and is an electric athlete.
-Ty Lockett has some very small hands at 8 3/8, but never really seemed to be bothered by a ton of drops in school.
-Ty Montgomery measuring in at a legit 6'0, 220, with 10 1/8 hands. Nice physical profile, but the concern has always been his substance as a WR.
-Definitely interested to see what Phil Dorsett runs tomorrow.

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Re: 2015 Combine Observations

Postby RenMasters » Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:12 pm

jason401 wrote:All WR measurements are in (form Jules linked earlier in thread)...

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... view?pli=1#
Is that right??? White is as tall as Parker? That doesn't seem right. Hmm CBS shows them both at 6'3". I thought Parker was taller.

Their hands are the same size. White has just a few pounds more on Parker.

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Re: 2015 Combine Observations

Postby broncohead » Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:37 pm

Has there been a study done on the hand size and ability to catch the football? Or is it a baseless comment? I've never seen any studies supporting it.
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