Why is PPR the new standard?

[TommyL31]

I've played in a league where QBs, RBs, and WRs all get 1 pt per yard (and touchdowns only count for 10 points). It was the opposite of a TD league, it was essentially a yardage league. If you want something that mirrors the real NFL that certainly did. We actually had to have a backup QB rule in place that if your QB was injured in the first half and didn't play a snap in the second half you could count the points from your backup QB instead because in a league like that a QB can easily win or lose a matchup for you.

That being said, I'm glad I don't play in a league like that anymore. It may have resembled the NFL in many ways but it's not as enjoyable in my opinion.

[clarion contrarion]

I understand the reasons to play PPR in that it adds avlue and does deepen the rb pool sort of but by over weighing the importance of simply catching the football
E.G. 1 catch for no gain equals a bruising 10 yard run where a runner breaks 4 tackles I think actually minimizes rb play rather than maximizes it. I would rather watch one 17 yard run than twenty 7 yard wr screen where the corner is giving up a 10 yard cushion
personal preference I know but it is troubling to reward the players the same points to me.
I do commish 1 league that pays .33 per catch but it also pays .05 per carry I did that because it is a 16 team league and it helps a guy like say jaquizz rodgers have flex or bye week value.

[imi814]

My league is also .5 and I love that scoring.

[ccj]

I understand the reasons to play PPR in that it adds avlue and does deepen the rb pool sort of but by over weighing the importance of simply catching the football
E.G. 1 catch for no gain equals a bruising 10 yard run where a runner breaks 4 tackles I think actually minimizes rb play rather than maximizes it. I would rather watch one 17 yard run than twenty 7 yard wr screen where the corner is giving up a 10 yard cushion
personal preference I know but it is troubling to reward the players the same points to me.
I do commish 1 league that pays .33 per catch but it also pays .05 per carry I did that because it is a 16 team league and it helps a guy like say jaquizz rodgers have flex or bye week value.

And then Mike Tolbert makes a 1 yard dive for a TD, has a 3 TD day and puts both the PPR guy and bruising rusher to shame.

[clarion contrarion]

I understand the reasons to play PPR in that it adds avlue and does deepen the rb pool sort of but by over weighing the importance of simply catching the football
E.G. 1 catch for no gain equals a bruising 10 yard run where a runner breaks 4 tackles I think actually minimizes rb play rather than maximizes it. I would rather watch one 17 yard run than twenty 7 yard wr screen where the corner is giving up a 10 yard cushion
personal preference I know but it is troubling to reward the players the same points to me.
I do commish 1 league that pays .33 per catch but it also pays .05 per carry I did that because it is a 16 team league and it helps a guy like say jaquizz rodgers have flex or bye week value.

And then Mike Tolbert makes a 1 yard dive for a TD, has a 3 TD day and puts both the PPR guy and bruising rusher to shame.

td vultures can be discouraging especially on a 3td day for my opponent
but a td is a td anyway you slice as as opposed to a 7 yard wr screen being one of the lamest plays possible to gather that many points.
I personally think any pass caught behind the LOS should be a carry rather than a catch.

[zounder]

A lot of misconception about "parity" in this thread.

Attempting to create "parity" is trying to equate the RB12 with the RB1. That's not at all what the topic at hand is.

However, there is in fact an attempt to make the positions themselves more balanced. Think of an extreme example where RBs scored 10 points per touchdown. Who would draft anything else? the variance across RBs would be absolutely insane.

PPR makes it so that you don't just draft primarily RBs in the first round. Now, wait a sec, because this dynasty, WRs are already inflated in value. But it seems to me this topic is about scoring in general, including redraft.

The OP attempted to use variance to describe how, in fact, PPR was -not- creating balance across positions, but I think there's an issue with those numbers. First, adding those "variance" scores together makes no sense to me since there's overlap in both cases. Second, I don't know why "top 36" has less variances than "top 12" unless I misunderstand what those scores are. I am interpreting "top 12" as the difference between the WR1 and WR12. it's impossible for that difference to be smaller than the WR1-WR36 difference.

[TommyL31]

I understand the reasons to play PPR in that it adds avlue and does deepen the rb pool sort of but by over weighing the importance of simply catching the football
E.G. 1 catch for no gain equals a bruising 10 yard run where a runner breaks 4 tackles I think actually minimizes rb play rather than maximizes it. I would rather watch one 17 yard run than twenty 7 yard wr screen where the corner is giving up a 10 yard cushion
personal preference I know but it is troubling to reward the players the same points to me.
I do commish 1 league that pays .33 per catch but it also pays .05 per carry I did that because it is a 16 team league and it helps a guy like say jaquizz rodgers have flex or bye week value.

And then Mike Tolbert makes a 1 yard dive for a TD, has a 3 TD day and puts both the PPR guy and bruising rusher to shame.

td vultures can be discouraging especially on a 3td day for my opponent
but a td is a td anyway you slice as as opposed to a 7 yard wr screen being one of the lamest plays possible to gather that many points.
I personally think any pass caught behind the LOS should be a carry rather than a catch.

They are. That doesn't mean you can't have a catch for negative yards though because a WR can go backwards to try to go around and get to the corner.

I know painfully well that a pass caught behind the LOS is a catch because in 2009 (I think) I was in the playoffs. I had Kurt Warner and my opponent had Anquan Boldin. Warner throws a screen pass to Boldin for a TD and I go on to win our matchup. On Tuesday there is a scoring correction and it is ruled that Boldin caught the ball behind the LOS and therefore it was a rushing TD, I lose the points, he keeps them and I lose.

[Csl312]

They are. That doesn't mean you can't have a catch for negative yards though because a WR can go backwards to try to go around and get to the corner.

I know painfully well that a pass caught behind the LOS is a catch because in 2009 (I think) I was in the playoffs. I had Kurt Warner and my opponent had Anquan Boldin. Warner throws a screen pass to Boldin for a TD and I go on to win our matchup. On Tuesday there is a scoring correction and it is ruled that Boldin caught the ball behind the LOS and therefore it was a rushing TD, I lose the points, he keeps them and I lose.

Unless I am mistaken, any pass that travels from the offensive player toward the goal line for the defending team is a forward pass. However, I believe yardage for the pass is positive as long as the player advances from the point where the ball is caught (ie: positive passing or receiving yardage is earned on any play that the receiver does not move backward).

For your situation it was probably ruled that Boldin was parallel to or behind Warner's field position when the ball was caught.

[TommyL31]

They are. That doesn't mean you can't have a catch for negative yards though because a WR can go backwards to try to go around and get to the corner.

I know painfully well that a pass caught behind the LOS is a catch because in 2009 (I think) I was in the playoffs. I had Kurt Warner and my opponent had Anquan Boldin. Warner throws a screen pass to Boldin for a TD and I go on to win our matchup. On Tuesday there is a scoring correction and it is ruled that Boldin caught the ball behind the LOS and therefore it was a rushing TD, I lose the points, he keeps them and I lose.

Unless I am mistaken, any pass that travels from the offensive player toward the goal line for the defending team is a forward pass. However, I believe yardage for the pass is positive as long as the player advances from the point where the ball is caught (ie: positive passing or receiving yardage is earned on any play that the receiver does not move backward).

For your situation it was probably ruled that Boldin was parallel to or behind Warner's field position when the ball was caught.

Not sure if I understand if you're disagreeing with me or not but I don't think you are. The play I was referring to was deemed a lateral so basically a really long sweep.

[Csl312]

I just meant, you can catch a ball behind the LOS and it can still be a forward pass. Rather than using the LOS for a benchmark to determine a forward pass, you use the spot on the field where the passer is releasing the ball from.

[TommyL31]

I just meant, you can catch a ball behind the LOS and it can still be a forward pass. Rather than using the LOS for a benchmark to determine a forward pass, you use the spot on the field where the passer is releasing the ball from.

Ah, good point.

[sportstalkryan]

I think First Downs is a far superior statistical measure of player performance than, say, Receptions. Now that first downs are a readily available statistic, we can better differentiate what actually matters to a NFL team. Is a RB catching a short swing pass for a couple yards on 1st and 10 worth the same to a team as that same RB making the identical catch on 3rd and 1? Absolutely not, yet in PPR leagues they are scored the same. We can score First Downs to better distinguish plays that are more highly valued by an NFL team.

[meineymoe]

I used to be the dinosaur for being one of the last ones left who didn't like PPR... now I'm retro!

I've found the best compromise between the two extremes is this:
1 pt per 3 receptions
1 pt per 6 carries
1 pt per 8 completions (unless you're already giving 6 pts per TD pass, then the QBs don't need this)

-oo-

[dlf_jules]

I think First Downs is a far superior statistical measure of player performance than, say, Receptions. Now that first downs are a readily available statistic, we can better differentiate what actually matters to a NFL team. Is a RB catching a short swing pass for a couple yards on 1st and 10 worth the same to a team as that same RB making the identical catch on 3rd and 1? Absolutely not, yet in PPR leagues they are scored the same. We can score First Downs to better distinguish plays that are more highly valued by an NFL team.

[Dingram]

I like Ppr. I feel like more points=more fun. I've recently joined a tiered Ppr system where the scoring is rb1, wr0.5, te1.5 & I think that system balances it out pretty evenly. Every system has it's flaws. In the system I just mentioned Jimmy Graham was ridiculous, but having studs is part of the fun IMO. Having a RB run for 80 & just getting 8 points doesn't do it for me. I MUCH prefer some sort of a Ppr system. Also like the idea of the .2 per carry system mentioned earlier. But again, that system will strongly favor certain players. IMO that the point of fantasy football. Find the players that best suit the scoring system your using that particular league, & create your rankings. Nobody is forcing anybody to play in a league they don't like.