If Watkins goes to the Raiders at 1.5.......

[dawgs4life]

What happens to the value of the 1.1 fantasy pick if Sammy Watkins goes to the Oakland Raiders in the NFL draft? Just speculation at this point but fun to hear some opinions?

[1standgoal]

It depends if they get a decent quarterback at some point. its possible that he could be in a "lone star on the team" situation like Larry Fitzgerald was for years on the cardinals. But the raiders have a lot of cap room to play with starting this season. I wouldn't be shocked if they surprised a lot of people this year.

As for the value of the number 1 pick. I guess it gains or loses value relative to whatever person values it the most.

[TommyL31]

I think it loses some trade value but the pick is still Watkins in my opinion.

[Jfever]

I dont think the 1.01 loses any value at all. The effects of a poor landing spot has little negative effect on the 1.01 or Sammy Watkins value imo. If a person says they draft talent over situation then scoffs at the Raiders as a landing spot - well then I think that just may be the definition of hypocrisy.

Imo, Watkins is in a tier of his own at this point in time. The combine could change things a bit. We'll see. But - I doubt the Raiders will suck forever, they do have a lot of cap room and I assume they will be making some changes and adding some talent throughout their organization. To be honest when you think about it - Watkins - if he were to land in Oakland would certainly be their most talented offensive player - so that can't be a bad thing can it? Considering his skills and how good he is with screens and at yac - he will be good no matter where he lands.

Remember how HORRIBLE of a landing spot DET was, or Cinci was for Calvin and AJG? Talent over situation and don't over think it. Too many do imo.

[DYNOmite]

How bad is the Raiders' passing game:

The best season by the a Raiders WR since Randy Moss in 2005 is Darius Heyward Bey in 2011.

I think it does hurt Watkins value if they don't make a major upgrade at QB, although I think he's still the 1.01 and good enough to put up 70/1000/7 with a lousy QB.

[KMA]

The Raiders will sign Michael Vick.

[joeday]

I dont think the 1.01 loses any value at all. The effects of a poor landing spot has little negative effect on the 1.01 or Sammy Watkins value imo. If a person says they draft talent over situation then scoffs at the Raiders as a landing spot - well then I think that just may be the definition of hypocrisy.

Imo, Watkins is in a tier of his own at this point in time. The combine could change things a bit. We'll see. But - I doubt the Raiders will suck forever, they do have a lot of cap room and I assume they will be making some changes and adding some talent throughout their organization. To be honest when you think about it - Watkins - if he were to land in Oakland would certainly be their most talented offensive player - so that can't be a bad thing can it? Considering his skills and how good he is with screens and at yac - he will be good no matter where he lands.

Remember how HORRIBLE of a landing spot DET was, or Cinci was for Calvin and AJG? Talent over situation and don't over think it. Too many do imo.

This.

[eNdblu]

This is dynasty, isn't it?
Why does it matter who his QB is today when he could have a completely different QB tomorrow?
As long as you believe in his talent, take him

[Bronx Bomber]

I think almost any QB can throw a screen pass. And we know how productive he can be on those...

[TommyL31]

I dont think the 1.01 loses any value at all. The effects of a poor landing spot has little negative effect on the 1.01 or Sammy Watkins value imo. If a person says they draft talent over situation then scoffs at the Raiders as a landing spot - well then I think that just may be the definition of hypocrisy.

Imo, Watkins is in a tier of his own at this point in time. The combine could change things a bit. We'll see. But - I doubt the Raiders will suck forever, they do have a lot of cap room and I assume they will be making some changes and adding some talent throughout their organization. To be honest when you think about it - Watkins - if he were to land in Oakland would certainly be their most talented offensive player - so that can't be a bad thing can it? Considering his skills and how good he is with screens and at yac - he will be good no matter where he lands.

Remember how HORRIBLE of a landing spot DET was, or Cinci was for Calvin and AJG? Talent over situation and don't over think it. Too many do imo.

I'm not saying he drops to 1.2 and I firmly believe talent over situation but situation is still meaningful. Situations can change but you can't tell me you wouldn't prefer him to get drafted somewhere like Carolina that has a good QB with few options at WR other than an aging Steve Smith.

I think the thing that is particularly bad about Oakland which is different than Cinci when AJ was drafted (although probably not too different from Detroit when Calvin was drafted) is that they're not just a bad TEAM, they're a bad ORGANIZATION. They need help and I have less confidence in them than I do in most other franchises that they are competent enough to fix them.

Talent over situation, to me, doesn't mean situation is meaningless. It just means that talent is more important.

[RonW15]

I agree in dynasty things change year to year, draft the best player and hope the situation improves. Also don't sleep on Mike Evans, Watkins is very clearly the 1.1, but Evans is a very good 1.2

[QuintorrisLopezJones]

I dont think the 1.01 loses any value at all. The effects of a poor landing spot has little negative effect on the 1.01 or Sammy Watkins value imo. If a person says they draft talent over situation then scoffs at the Raiders as a landing spot - well then I think that just may be the definition of hypocrisy.

Imo, Watkins is in a tier of his own at this point in time. The combine could change things a bit. We'll see. But - I doubt the Raiders will suck forever, they do have a lot of cap room and I assume they will be making some changes and adding some talent throughout their organization. To be honest when you think about it - Watkins - if he were to land in Oakland would certainly be their most talented offensive player - so that can't be a bad thing can it? Considering his skills and how good he is with screens and at yac - he will be good no matter where he lands.

Remember how HORRIBLE of a landing spot DET was, or Cinci was for Calvin and AJG? Talent over situation and don't over think it. Too many do imo.

I'm not saying he drops to 1.2 and I firmly believe talent over situation but situation is still meaningful. Situations can change but you can't tell me you wouldn't prefer him to get drafted somewhere like Carolina that has a good QB with few options at WR other than an aging Steve Smith.

I think the thing that is particularly bad about Oakland which is different than Cinci when AJ was drafted (although probably not too different from Detroit when Calvin was drafted) is that they're not just a bad TEAM, they're a bad ORGANIZATION. They need help and I have less confidence in them than I do in most other franchises that they are competent enough to fix them.

Talent over situation, to me, doesn't mean situation is meaningless. It just means that talent is more important.

I'm not going to argue the point about OAK being a bad Organization, but thats EXACTLY what the Bengals and Lions were too. Both were complete jokes of franchises.

I don't think Watkins loses value, I think with an elite WR prospect like him, its almost assumed that his situation wont be great. I think its more that if he doesnt go to Oak, and if a team like Det or Car traded up to get him, that he would gain a lot of value.

[TommyL31]

The Bengals weren't a joke of a franchise. They were one year removed from a 10 win season in which they made the playoffs. They were definitely in transition because Chad Johnson was slowing down but they were an ok franchise.

But you're completely right about the Lions and you can even throw the Blackmon/Jags situation in there. A good WR will produce more often than not but I still think situation AFFECTS value even if it doesn't drastically change value.

[QuintorrisLopezJones]

The Bengals weren't a joke of a franchise. They were one year removed from a 10 win season in which they made the playoffs. They were definitely in transition because Chad Johnson was slowing down but they were an ok franchise.

But you're completely right about the Lions and you can even throw the Blackmon/Jags situation in there. A good WR will produce more often than not but I still think situation AFFECTS value even if it doesn't drastically change value.

Regarding the value, what I meant is, at least in my mind, his value now is based off of him having a "bad" situation. That his value would increase if he got put into an ideal situation, but cant really decrease because right now its assumed that hes going to a bad team, and that he doesn't have a team yet.

Outside of that 1 season, and their recent history since, they were 100% a joke of a franchise. They were one of the biggest jokes in the league. They had either 4 or 5 wins, im not looking up the number, both in the season before and after that 10 win season. Not to mention, only 1 winning season before that since 1990, whenever the Carson Palmer torn acl playoff game was, 2005/6? OK sorry I wont hijack this and make it about the Bengals, was just about the perception of a bad situation.

[KMA]

I think this question should really be asking:

Is Sammy Watkins truly an elite talent?
Is his talent good enough to offset situation?