JFever wrote:this patting ourselves on the back over Anderson is hilarious. You guessed and you were right. good job. There was and is NO way to have been able to predict that accurately over a year ago. You can think that all you want. But, you'd be wrong. This situation in Denver is not settled. It is fluid. Anderson has looked very good. But.... Moreno looked very good 1 calendar year ago. Don't get so caught up in the now. Try to remember the past, and try to understand the only thing that is consistent is change. This Denver situation is not settled and I would not be valuing CJ Anderson equal to an early 1st round pick. Some are hinting that way. I see it as far from a lock. Not saying he hasn't be impressive. He has. Remember about 1 month ago and B.Oliver of SD? Semi similar situation.
First, Have people thought maybe the Broncos are running more because Peyton doesn't like the cold as much? He never has liked the cold... Also, The run blocking scheme HAS changed as has the level of play by the linemen themselves. Also the coaching staff is calling plays that better hide weaknesses and exploit strengths of the players in the game. 2nd, Please, Please, Please stop with the UDFA crap. It does happen. Some players every year slip through the cracks. Some. The extreme minority of fantasy football productive players are UDFA. NOT as common as a post above hints at. Please don't act like because you bring up A.Foster, Cruz, et all, that it is common. It is incredibly uncommon. So to suggest otherwise - is borderline stupid. Anderson has been playing well - absolutely. Lets give credit where it's due. He is not however all the sudden extremely talented. Rather - he is playing very hard. He is clearly motivated and hungry. Couple that with the circumstances of - timing of the year, other backs being injured and less than impressive / not playing up to expectations, an offensive shift in philosophy, and better execution by the line itself as well as the play of the Defense - and what you have is a perfect storm that leads to owners on this site pumping their chests about just how right they were about CJ Anderson over a year ago.
Give me a break.... If the world was really that simple....
I'm just debating dude, let's not get all hot and bothered.
And while maybe some are, I'm def not beating my chest about Anderson, I'm just happy to have him, and after lookign at what he's done, we have very different opinions about him it seems.
I probably wouldn't be trading for CJ at this point and don't think anyone should, simply because his value is unsettled until we see what happens. A smart owner probably isn't going after him right now, unless you really believe in your personal evaluations and think he's definitely the guy going forward. No issue with your value warning.
Yeah, I remember last year too. I remember Moreno being a mediocre back throughout his short career, who excelled in pass protection and had some nice hands. I remember Peyton coming to town and Moreno getting a chance at the end of 2012, and performing OK. He starts over Ball last year, probably because he was a better pass-blocker and Ball was just a rookie who needed to learn the ropes. Moreno did well, probably because of Peyton Manning, but don't get ahead of yourself. He had barely over 1,000 yds. He ran the ball more than 15 times only 3 times. And even in the Peyton Manning led, best passing offense of all time, in 9 games he averaged less than 4 YPC. He only had 1 game over 100 rushing yds (that crazy 200+ yd game in New England). He was "very good" in fantasy, because he scored 10 rushing tds (primarily goal line stuff), and caught 60 passes for another 3 tds. He was just OK in real life. And he's not there anymore because 1) he was just ok. 2) his contract was up, Ball in the wings, not gonna pay a mediocre RB with his successor waiting in the wings. So, there's that.
I don't know what the temperatures were, but I don't think Oakland or St. Louis were that cold. I could be wrong, feel free to call me on it. But I think this shift has less to do with "Peyton's cold" than it is Denver has realized they must be more balanced and have a legitimate rushing attack if they want to win the Superbowl. That's my opinion anyway.
I think it's borderline stupid to discount a player's standout production over a 4-game stretch (and their first real chance at significant game action) by referencing draft status. I wasn't saying, nor did I ever say, UDFA stars are common. I said it is possible and plausible. The ONLY thing I was getting at there is using draft status as a talent or value barometer against real, tangible, production is, well a little silly. When I watched Victor Cruz start torching teams, I know I didn't shrug and say "well he wasn't drafted." Maybe you did, I dunno.
I believe CJ could be their guy for a number of reasons. 1) He's looked better than anyone they've had back there in years. 2) He can pass block well. He can catch well. He can run well. He can do it all, well. 3) Denver seems to prefer one main RB rather than a full-fledged committee. Whoever the starter is gets a bulk of the carries, with the backup doing spot duty (in most cases). They have little reason to remove CJ now, or even next year as far as I'm (MY OPINION) concerned. Unless Hillman suddenly gets better at pass-blockign and everything except straight line speed, or Ball just gets... better everywhere. And 4) his contract. He's signed, very cheaply, through next year as well. They don't have to worry about a Moreno-type situation, because he's not going anywhere. And even after that, in '16 Anderson is a RFA, which makes him pretty easy to hold onto if they wanted.
Again, I had nothing invested and wasn't making any claims about Anderson before this breakout, so I'm not pumping my chest. I'm just saying, what if it's just that we have a pretty good player on our hands? We may disagree in our assessment of him, but either way, I'm stoked to have such a hungry, motivated, player who is playing very hard on my team (credit where credit is due
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