Brock Osweiler
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Brock Osweiler
I've seen a few people deriding Bronco players on the basis of once Peyton leaves, they'll all lose huge amounts of value. Wasn't this exactly the situation Osweiler was drafted for and being groomed towards? I haven't heard much on him, but I haven't seen any suggestions that his development isn't on track. Did I miss something?
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Re: Brock Osweiler
Osweiler is only 22 years old. I think the Broncos were pretty high on him when the drafted him, with the intention of developing him into their QB of the future. Wouldn't you rather be a QB who has his redshirt season in the NFL rather than in college??
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Re: Brock Osweiler
I'm not sure anyone was ever really that high on him. Wasn't highly rated in the draft last year. I suspect that he isn't the long term answer.
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Re: Brock Osweiler
They didn't use their 2nd on him with the intent for him to be a career backup. Obviously they expect him to take over for Peyton. Whether he can is a different story but he'll get 2-3 years to learn how to play and he'll still be young when he gets the chance.TommyL31 wrote:I'm not sure anyone was ever really that high on him. Wasn't highly rated in the draft last year. I suspect that he isn't the long term answer.
Re: Brock Osweiler
He was universally believed to be a second day pick, and a lot of scouts loved the pick for the Broncos. Several mock drafts actually had him picked exactly where he went.TommyL31 wrote:I'm not sure anyone was ever really that high on him. Wasn't highly rated in the draft last year. I suspect that he isn't the long term answer.
Re: Brock Osweiler
I certainly wouldn't expect the Bronco's the be the same offensively when Peyton eventually retires. I don't think that Osweiler was a highly regarded prospect the same way that Aaron Rodgers was when he was the backup to Favre, so to expect the same type of output that (arguably) the greatest QB to don cleats can do would be crazy talk.ericanadian wrote:I've seen a few people deriding Bronco players on the basis of once Peyton leaves, they'll all lose huge amounts of value. Wasn't this exactly the situation Osweiler was drafted for and being groomed towards? I haven't heard much on him, but I haven't seen any suggestions that his development isn't on track. Did I miss something?
Matt Waldman labeled Osweiler as a "Long Term Project" in his post draft analysis. He's worth a stash if you've got the roster space and can wait it out.
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Re: Brock Osweiler
This site has a compilation of many different pre- and draft-day analyses on Osweiler: http://www.milehighreport.com/2012/4/27 ... ing-report
I tend to agree that if he'd stayed in college for his senior season, he would have had that much more game day experience to bring to the pros - and hard telling what that would have done for his draft stock this year. But with the measurables and the stuff he had shown already in his limited snaps, there was apparently enough there to convince at least one team that he was worth a 2nd round pick. Plus, they get to work him in their system for that extra season and not have to move up and spend a first round pick on him this season if he had reached that potential.
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I tend to agree that if he'd stayed in college for his senior season, he would have had that much more game day experience to bring to the pros - and hard telling what that would have done for his draft stock this year. But with the measurables and the stuff he had shown already in his limited snaps, there was apparently enough there to convince at least one team that he was worth a 2nd round pick. Plus, they get to work him in their system for that extra season and not have to move up and spend a first round pick on him this season if he had reached that potential.
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Re: Brock Osweiler
True, and if I had Decker or whoever they get in the slot, I'd be worried. However, I've seen this logic applied to RBs and I would assume some thing this way with Thomas, neither of which make any sense to me.NickDblU wrote:I certainly wouldn't expect the Bronco's the be the same offensively when Peyton eventually retires. I don't think that Osweiler was a highly regarded prospect the same way that Aaron Rodgers was when he was the backup to Favre, so to expect the same type of output that (arguably) the greatest QB to don cleats can do would be crazy talk.ericanadian wrote:I've seen a few people deriding Bronco players on the basis of once Peyton leaves, they'll all lose huge amounts of value. Wasn't this exactly the situation Osweiler was drafted for and being groomed towards? I haven't heard much on him, but I haven't seen any suggestions that his development isn't on track. Did I miss something?
Matt Waldman labeled Osweiler as a "Long Term Project" in his post draft analysis. He's worth a stash if you've got the roster space and can wait it out.
All I Der Is Win - 16 Team IDP League (Pass TD 6pts)
QB - Stafford, Stroud, Tune
RB - Swift, Hall, Penny, Bigsby, Ford
WR - Pittman, Olave, Di. Johnson, G. Wilson, J. Williams, Metchie, Robinson, M. Wilson
TE - Okonkwo, Schoonmaker
LB - Brooks, R. Smith, Phillips
DL - Crosby, Allen, Simmons
DB - D. James, Baker, Delpit
K - Just a stupid kicker
QB - Stafford, Stroud, Tune
RB - Swift, Hall, Penny, Bigsby, Ford
WR - Pittman, Olave, Di. Johnson, G. Wilson, J. Williams, Metchie, Robinson, M. Wilson
TE - Okonkwo, Schoonmaker
LB - Brooks, R. Smith, Phillips
DL - Crosby, Allen, Simmons
DB - D. James, Baker, Delpit
K - Just a stupid kicker
Re: Brock Osweiler
I believe they drafted him to be Peyton's successor. How many Aarons and Peytons are there? I dont think anyone expects him to be Peyton, just good enough to win ball games. Boy, what a great teacher to learn from.
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Re: Brock Osweiler
Agreed. I don't know that there were that many folks who thought Aaron Rodgers would be as good as, or as it turned out, better than Brett Favre.georg013 wrote:I believe they drafted him to be Peyton's successor. How many Aarons and Peytons are there? I dont think anyone expects him to be Peyton, just good enough to win ball games. Boy, what a great teacher to learn from.
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Thats pretty much the way i took it. He was very raw comming out of college but with great physical skills. Im sure that they will bring in competition once peyton leaves. He may develop into a starter. Ive never believed having a qb develope as a backup for more than a year was a good thing tho. They usually have to play to get better.
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Re: Brock Osweiler
Even if it's behind Manning? 2-3 years behind Manning and then playing doesn't sound so bad. Manning entering the 2014 season at 38 years old with his neck history just sounds scary...let alone 2015 at 39...will6779 wrote: Ive never believed having a qb develope as a backup for more than a year was a good thing tho. They usually have to play to get better.
Rodgers also sat for 3 years behind a great QB too and look how he's playing now.
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Re: Brock Osweiler
Thiswhatadai wrote:Even if it's behind Manning? 2-3 years behind Manning and then playing doesn't sound so bad. Manning entering the 2014 season at 38 years old with his neck history just sounds scary...let alone 2015 at 39...will6779 wrote: Ive never believed having a qb develope as a backup for more than a year was a good thing tho. They usually have to play to get better.
Rodgers also sat for 3 years behind a great QB too and look how he's playing now.
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Re: Brock Osweiler
Winning ball games doesn't always mean fantasy success... Joe Flacco wins balls games, yet he's always been somewhere between QB15-20. Up until this season Mark Sanchez was winning ball games, and Mark Sanchez sucks.meineymoe wrote:Agreed. I don't know that there were that many folks who thought Aaron Rodgers would be as good as, or as it turned out, better than Brett Favre.georg013 wrote:I believe they drafted him to be Peyton's successor. How many Aarons and Peytons are there? I dont think anyone expects him to be Peyton, just good enough to win ball games. Boy, what a great teacher to learn from.
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A difference between ARod and Osweiller is that ARod was in discussions to be the #1 overall pick that year.. He got passed over and let that fuel him to become one of today's top QBs. I hope Osweiller becomes a great QB, but have any of Peyton's understudy's gone on to do anything in the NFL?
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Re: Brock Osweiler
Peyton's understudies never had a real chance at any significant playing time. Furthermore, they weren't added to one day take over. Big difference between serviceable backup and future of the franchise. While the Broncos have little concern over a player's fantasy success, I do believe he can be productive fantasywise despite not being a first round prospect. How are Kaep and Wilson performing these days? Not comparing them but who saw that coming? If you say me, attach the dated link!
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