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Devonta Smith

Postby wickerkat1212 » Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:46 am

I didn't see a dedicated thread to Devonta Smith (if I missed it please give me the link) but wanted to see what you all thought of him. Going into the draft I had him after Chase and before Waddle. I'd still say those three were the top three rookie WRs.

This posted today:

DEVONTA SMITH SETS EAGLES ROOKIE RECEIVING RECORD IN FINALE
PUBLISHED MON JAN 10 10:02:38 P.M. ET 2022

(fantasypros) Eagles wide receiver DeVonta Smith caught three of his four targets for 41 yards in Saturday's loss to the Dallas Cowboys. In doing so, Smith passed DeSean Jackson to become the Eagles' all-time rookie receiving leader.
Analysis: Smith finishes an impressive rookie season having caught 64 of his 104 targets for 916 yards and five touchdowns in 17 games.

So while Chase has gotten much of the attention, what are your thoughts on Smith? I think he's as good as advertised, and will be a solid WR2 with the chance to be a good WR1. In on Superflex I drafted Chase, Smith, and EMoore for a team I inherited with TERRIBLE WRs (Beasley was my best WR) and I'm fine rolling out Chase as my WR1 and Smith as my WR2.

Thoughts?
D3:
QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL

D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin, Murray WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT

Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Singletary, Mostert, BRob, Warren, Rodriguez, Spiller WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Myers, Reynold, Jones TE—Kmet, Likely, Kraft, Conklin, Hurst, Hudson PK—Elliott DEF—PHI

Superflex 2:
QB: Goff, Cousins, Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: DJM, Higgins, JSN, Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, PCampbell, DPJ, ATP, Hutchinson, Iosivas, Devante, CJones TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble

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Re: Devonta Smith

Postby wickerkat1212 » Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:48 am

Here are the rookie points for WR in my 1 PPR league:

Chase 302
Waddle 234
Amon-Ra 201 (wow)
Smith 180
EMoore 138
D3:
QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL

D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin, Murray WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT

Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Singletary, Mostert, BRob, Warren, Rodriguez, Spiller WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Myers, Reynold, Jones TE—Kmet, Likely, Kraft, Conklin, Hurst, Hudson PK—Elliott DEF—PHI

Superflex 2:
QB: Goff, Cousins, Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: DJM, Higgins, JSN, Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, PCampbell, DPJ, ATP, Hutchinson, Iosivas, Devante, CJones TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble

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Re: Devonta Smith

Postby abloom » Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:14 am

He'll be weighed down by hurts unless he improves. Ideally Watson finds his way to Philly.
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T: Kelce, Pitts
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R: Mostert, walker, a Jones, Wilson, Charb, Z White, McLaughlin, freeman, d Williams, Reynolds,
W: Waddle, A St Brown, K Allen, Cooper, Nuk, Juju
T: Kelce, Schultz, Thomas, Ferguson

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Re: Devonta Smith

Postby wickerkat1212 » Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:51 am

abloom wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:14 am He'll be weighed down by hurts unless he improves. Ideally Watson finds his way to Philly.
Hurts was the #8 QB in FF in my league this year, right behind Rodgers. So...what am I missing here?
D3:
QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL

D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin, Murray WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT

Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Singletary, Mostert, BRob, Warren, Rodriguez, Spiller WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Myers, Reynold, Jones TE—Kmet, Likely, Kraft, Conklin, Hurst, Hudson PK—Elliott DEF—PHI

Superflex 2:
QB: Goff, Cousins, Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: DJM, Higgins, JSN, Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, PCampbell, DPJ, ATP, Hutchinson, Iosivas, Devante, CJones TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble

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Re: Devonta Smith

Postby YouMightDieTryin » Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:54 am

wickerkat1212 wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:51 am
abloom wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:14 am He'll be weighed down by hurts unless he improves. Ideally Watson finds his way to Philly.
Hurts was the #8 QB in FF in my league this year, right behind Rodgers. So...what am I missing here?
That he can't pass and Devonta is a WR that needs to catch the ball? If Hurts is averaging under 200 yards a game that factors into how many yards Smith will be receiving. Just because Hurts scores FF points doesn't make him a great QB. Visa versa, it doesn't make him a bad QB either. It just limits their ceilings.

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Re: Devonta Smith

Postby Kaz » Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:56 am

wickerkat1212 wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:51 am
abloom wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:14 am He'll be weighed down by hurts unless he improves. Ideally Watson finds his way to Philly.
Hurts was the #8 QB in FF in my league this year, right behind Rodgers. So...what am I missing here?
The fact that Hurts only throws for around 200 yards and 1 TD a game. His fantasy positioning is more of a testament to his 700 rushing yards/10 tds.
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Re: Devonta Smith

Postby nathanq42 » Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:56 am

wickerkat1212 wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:51 am
abloom wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:14 am He'll be weighed down by hurts unless he improves. Ideally Watson finds his way to Philly.
Hurts was the #8 QB in FF in my league this year, right behind Rodgers. So...what am I missing here?
attempts/completions/yards/Passing TDs
432/265/3144/16
531/366/4115/37

Who do you think is better *for the receivers* on the team
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Re: Devonta Smith

Postby BabyChark23 » Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:58 am

wickerkat1212 wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:51 am
abloom wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:14 am He'll be weighed down by hurts unless he improves. Ideally Watson finds his way to Philly.
Hurts was the #8 QB in FF in my league this year, right behind Rodgers. So...what am I missing here?
His ranking is buoyed by his rushing ability, which gives him a lot of fantasy points. He has been disappointing as a passer.

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Re: Devonta Smith

Postby Ice » Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:29 am

Devonta is an outstanding route runner with a very bright future. Obviously, Hurts needs to throw it more and he needs to get much more accurate on his down field throws before Devonta challenges for a top 10 type WR but he has the talent to be great IMO.

In reality it is all about Targets to get to the upper tiers at the position and stay there long term. QB accuracy does matter big time as well to turn high targets into high receptions.

Rookie Target sample

Copper Kupp 191
D. Johnson 169
D. Adams 169
J. Jefferson 167
S. Diggs 164
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Waddle 140
Chase 128
St. Brown 119
Devonta 100

I do expect his targets to reach the 120 range in year 2. I consider him a buy player if possible at the right price.
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Re: Devonta Smith

Postby Jfever » Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:52 am

wickerkat1212 wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:51 am
abloom wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:14 am He'll be weighed down by hurts unless he improves. Ideally Watson finds his way to Philly.
Hurts was the #8 QB in FF in my league this year, right behind Rodgers. So...what am I missing here?
Rushing points? Rushing TD's? Neither of which help the Phili wide receivers score.
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Re: Devonta Smith

Postby wickerkat1212 » Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:04 am

Ah, thanks for all of this, didn't realize Hurts was getting points via his rushing game.
D3:
QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL

D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin, Murray WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT

Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Singletary, Mostert, BRob, Warren, Rodriguez, Spiller WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Myers, Reynold, Jones TE—Kmet, Likely, Kraft, Conklin, Hurst, Hudson PK—Elliott DEF—PHI

Superflex 2:
QB: Goff, Cousins, Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: DJM, Higgins, JSN, Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, PCampbell, DPJ, ATP, Hutchinson, Iosivas, Devante, CJones TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble

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Re: Devonta Smith

Postby abloom » Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:28 am

wickerkat1212 wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:51 am
abloom wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:14 am He'll be weighed down by hurts unless he improves. Ideally Watson finds his way to Philly.
Hurts was the #8 QB in FF in my league this year, right behind Rodgers. So...what am I missing here?
That fantasy production doesn't matter in the real world.

We see this all the time with running QBs and with gun slingers who throw up balls all the time.

Rodgers had 1000 more yards, 21 more TDs, 5 fewer ints than hurts.
Team #1: 2nd place
12 team, 1 ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,2F,1D,1K

Q: Kyler, AR
R: JT, CMC, Barkley, chandler
W: Evans, Chase, Mooney, Collins, Dell, Pickens
T: Kelce, Goedert
D: nyj
K: Sanders

Team #2: back to back champion
12 team, 1ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,1SF,1F,1D,1K

Q: R Wilson, Murray, Watson
R: Swift, Walker, gus bus
W: Puka, Metcalf, Dell, Cooper, DJM, K Allen
T: Kelce, Pitts
K: Tucker
D: CLE

Team #3: back to back champion
14 team, SF, 1PPR (2PPR for TE), 1Q,2R,3W,1T,1SF,2F

Q: Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, Heinicke, walker
R: Mostert, walker, a Jones, Wilson, Charb, Z White, McLaughlin, freeman, d Williams, Reynolds,
W: Waddle, A St Brown, K Allen, Cooper, Nuk, Juju
T: Kelce, Schultz, Thomas, Ferguson

Team #4 3rd
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Team #5 4th
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Team #6 orphan
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Re: Devonta Smith

Postby abloom » Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:30 am

wickerkat1212 wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:04 am Ah, thanks for all of this, didn't realize Hurts was getting points via his rushing game.
Wait... What? :crazy:
Team #1: 2nd place
12 team, 1 ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,2F,1D,1K

Q: Kyler, AR
R: JT, CMC, Barkley, chandler
W: Evans, Chase, Mooney, Collins, Dell, Pickens
T: Kelce, Goedert
D: nyj
K: Sanders

Team #2: back to back champion
12 team, 1ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,1SF,1F,1D,1K

Q: R Wilson, Murray, Watson
R: Swift, Walker, gus bus
W: Puka, Metcalf, Dell, Cooper, DJM, K Allen
T: Kelce, Pitts
K: Tucker
D: CLE

Team #3: back to back champion
14 team, SF, 1PPR (2PPR for TE), 1Q,2R,3W,1T,1SF,2F

Q: Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson, Heinicke, walker
R: Mostert, walker, a Jones, Wilson, Charb, Z White, McLaughlin, freeman, d Williams, Reynolds,
W: Waddle, A St Brown, K Allen, Cooper, Nuk, Juju
T: Kelce, Schultz, Thomas, Ferguson

Team #4 3rd
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Team #5 4th
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Re: Devonta Smith

Postby Yarnith » Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:22 pm

The big take away is Smith is a legit NFL WR. I know tons thought he would never be anything but even if he doesnt reach superstar status in that offense I think he showed he can and does compete at a high level in the NFL.
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Re: Devonta Smith

Postby CGW » Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:32 pm

Tons of upside and he's proven he definitely belongs. I'll be watching to see what they do at QB. If Hurts can improve in the passing game, or they make a move for a big time QB, Smith could see a drastic increase in production.


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