2022 QB Carousel

[murphysxm]

Wentz does Wentz things when the pressure is on. He is broken and the Colts cannot be happy.

We aren't, he just disappers in pressure situations and makes one or two decisions a game that boggle my mind. I am not pinning the Jags loss on him, it was a team effort. I just don't feel like he is a difference maker and I worry Frank is too close to him to be objective. If anything I pin the loss on our O-Line not showing up

[yinzername]

I’m realistic…but still slightly buzzed about my Ehlinger stash…but realistic

[killer_of_giants]

I'm sure that Denver wouldn't mind getting that type of production out of the QB

if you check bridgewater's stats, he's not too far behind wentz. significantly less TDs, higher accuracy, and the rest of the numbers are very very similar.

[Dynasty DeLorean]

I'm sure that Denver wouldn't mind getting that type of production out of the QB

if you check bridgewater's stats, he's not too far behind wentz. significantly less TDs, higher accuracy, and the rest of the numbers are very very similar.

teddy's stats can say what they want but he's a horrendous checkdown artist who can't get his playmakers the ball. Wentz and Teddy do have similar stats but at least Wentz has 33 money throws to Teddy's 11.

[killer_of_giants]

I'm sure that Denver wouldn't mind getting that type of production out of the QB

if you check bridgewater's stats, he's not too far behind wentz. significantly less TDs, higher accuracy, and the rest of the numbers are very very similar.

teddy's stats can say what they want but he's a horrendous checkdown artist who can't get his playmakers the ball. Wentz and Teddy do have similar stats but at least Wentz has 33 money throws to Teddy's 11.

oh i'm not saying wentz isn't better than bridgewater. wentz would be an upgrade, but i think it would be marginal and wouldn't radically change the situation, and that's without even considering costs (of both acquisition and salary).

as for money throws, i see 27 (17 games) to 18 (14 games), if you mean TDs.
as for checking down, their intended and completed air yards are very similar (i know this doesn't tell the full story, but i found it interesting).

[Dynasty DeLorean]

Money throws is a playerprofiler stat, it basically means getting a ball to your receiver in tight coverage in impressive fashion, or something to that effect.

[killer_of_giants]

Money throws is a playerprofiler stat, it basically means getting a ball to your receiver in tight coverage in impressive fashion, or something to that effect.

ah, cool. my bad!

[sugbear65]

I'm sure that Denver wouldn't mind getting that type of production out of the QB

if you check bridgewater's stats, he's not too far behind wentz. significantly less TDs, higher accuracy, and the rest of the numbers are very very similar.

teddy's stats can say what they want but he's a horrendous checkdown artist who can't get his playmakers the ball. Wentz and Teddy do have similar stats but at least Wentz has 33 money throws to Teddy's 11.

If the best argument for Wentz is “well he’s slightly better than Teddy Bridgewater.”, then that should tell you all you need to know. He’s a solid QB2 if he can stay healthy. Maybe low end QB1 for stretches under the most ideal scenarios. But he’s not likely to hit top 5 status again like he did in that magic 12 game run of 2018. Gotta know when to call an outlier an outlier.

[slaughterrt]

if you check bridgewater's stats, he's not too far behind wentz. significantly less TDs, higher accuracy, and the rest of the numbers are very very similar.

teddy's stats can say what they want but he's a horrendous checkdown artist who can't get his playmakers the ball. Wentz and Teddy do have similar stats but at least Wentz has 33 money throws to Teddy's 11.

If the best argument for Wentz is “well he’s slightly better than Teddy Bridgewater.”, then that should tell you all you need to know. He’s a solid QB2 if he can stay healthy. Maybe low end QB1 for stretches under the most ideal scenarios. But he’s not likely to hit top 5 status again like he did in that magic 12 game run of 2018. Gotta know when to call an outlier an outlier.

This may be true. But how many “solid QB2 with QB1 upside” actually become available though? Realistically, the top tier or two of QBs never get moved. Who would the Colts upgrade to?

I’m not a Wentz guy, but the blame shouldn’t fall completely on him. And I can’t think of an available upgrade. I mean sure, Rodgers/Wilson would be upgrades, but I don’t expect either of those QBs to move.

[Ice]

There are about 10-12 elite QB’s in the NFL good enough to win it all.

Wentz simply doesn’t seem to be in that class. He seems to play poorly as the pressure rises.

I will be surprised if Indy rides with him much longer personally.

M take is instead of thinking about the next play he is thinking about not making a mistake.

I know I wouldn’t want him as my QB in the NFL.

[YouMightDieTryin]

Super Bowl 35. Trent Dilfer
Super Bowl 37. Brad Johnson
Super Bowl 47: Joe Flacco
Super Bowl 52: Nick Foles

You don't have to be elite to win a Super Bowl. You just have to have the right team at the right time. Heck, even Rex Grossman started in a Super Bowl.

[murphysxm]

Super Bowl 35. Trent Dilfer
Super Bowl 37. Brad Johnson
Super Bowl 47: Joe Flacco
Super Bowl 52: Nick Foles

You don't have to be elite to win a Super Bowl. You just have to have the right team at the right time. Heck, even Rex Grossman started in a Super Bowl.

It can happen, but 4 times in 20 years isn't a great story to strategize with

[Jigga94]

Super Bowl 35. Trent Dilfer
Super Bowl 37. Brad Johnson
Super Bowl 47: Joe Flacco
Super Bowl 52: Nick Foles

You don't have to be elite to win a Super Bowl. You just have to have the right team at the right time. Heck, even Rex Grossman started in a Super Bowl.

It can happen, but 4 times in 20 years isn't a great story to strategize with

Not to mention all time defenses

[Cameron Giles]

Super Bowl 35. Trent Dilfer
Super Bowl 37. Brad Johnson
Super Bowl 47: Joe Flacco
Super Bowl 52: Nick Foles

You don't have to be elite to win a Super Bowl. You just have to have the right team at the right time. Heck, even Rex Grossman started in a Super Bowl.

Since 1990, the only Super Bowls to not have at least 1 HOF/Future HOF QB:

2000: Dilfer vs. Collins
2002: Johnson vs. Gannon
2012: Flacco vs. Kaepernick

So, 3 games
4 non-HOF QB winners in 32 years

All-time:

1980: Plunkett vs. Jaworski
1982: Theismann vs. Woodley
1983: Plunkett vs. Theismann
1985: McMahon vs. Eason
2000: Dilfer vs. Collins
2002: Johnson vs. Gannon
2012: Flacco vs. Kaepernick

7 games in 55 years
11 non-HOF QBs in 55 years who won

[Pullo Vision]

Super Bowl 35. Trent Dilfer
Super Bowl 37. Brad Johnson
Super Bowl 47: Joe Flacco
Super Bowl 52: Nick Foles

You don't have to be elite to win a Super Bowl. You just have to have the right team at the right time. Heck, even Rex Grossman started in a Super Bowl.

It can happen, but 4 times in 20 years isn't a great story to strategize with

Manning and Brady dominated this stretch, but they also had great teams/defenses.

I wouldn't dismiss the idea you can win with non all world talent because two players (and Eli Manning) dominated two plus decades.