The REAL Week 13 Discussion

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Herbert is the best passing QB in the league. Yes better than Mahomes.

Nope

Yeahhhhhh nah I'm a +1 that Nope. This is knee-jerk BS. He's an elite passer from a physicality p.o.v, that much is true.

But until he wins against real-deal defenses, and shows he can win a big game, you can't anoint a CHARGERS QB over a literal MVP and Superbowl winning freak talent in Mahomes. And you especially can't do it just because he's having a nice game against -adjusts monocle- "the Bengals".

In case you needed reminding... because apparently you do... Herbert vs. "good" defenses this year: very poopy.

vs. DAL Wk2 - L 17-20
vs. BAL Wk6 - L 6-34
vs. NE Wk8 - L 24-27
vs. DEN Wk12 - L 13-28

These are literally the 4 most impressive defenses he's faced this year, and he lost to all of them. If you wanted to count the Watt-less and Minkah-Fitz-Less Steelers win that he almost blew multiple times... then yeah, sure...

Come back to us and state your case when he outright beats a good D OR wins an MVP OR wins a dang Superbowl in his 2nd season as a starter OR grows a sick moustache and mullet and wears a Top Gun flight jacket to a game and renames himself Gardner Minshew II because OTHERWISE we AREN'T INTERESTED.

[jdacunha]

Herbert is the best passing QB in the league. Yes better than Mahomes.

Nope

Yeahhhhhh nah I'm a +1 that Nope. This is knee-jerk BS. He's an elite passer from a physicality p.o.v, that much is true.

But until he wins against real-deal defenses, and shows he can win a big game, you can't anoint a CHARGERS QB over a literal MVP and Superbowl winning freak talent in Mahomes. And you especially can't do it just because he's having a nice game against -adjusts monocle- "the Bengals".

In case you needed reminding... because apparently you do... Herbert vs. "good" defenses this year: very poopy.

vs. DAL Wk2 - L 17-20
vs. BAL Wk6 - L 6-34
vs. NE Wk8 - L 24-27
vs. DEN Wk12 - L 13-28

These are literally the 4 most impressive defenses he's faced this year, and he lost to all of them. If you wanted to count the Watt-less and Minkah-Fitz-Less Steelers win that he almost blew multiple times... then yeah, sure...

Come back to us and state your case when he outright beats a good D OR wins an MVP OR wins a dang Superbowl in his 2nd season as a starter OR grows a sick moustache and mullet and wears a Top Gun flight jacket to a game and renames himself Gardner Minshew II because OTHERWISE we AREN'T INTERESTED.

Put Tyrek and Kelce on the Chargers and he would be.

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Put Tyrek and Kelce on the Chargers and he would be.

Got anything else for us? Anything remotely statistical, and not based in a fantasy reality where you require literal body-swapping for your statements to hold water?

Your best passing QB in the league is currently falling apart against the Bengals...

[alewilliam789]

Speaking of falling apart, Zach Wilson throws one of the worst throws I’ve seen this season (this includes his butt interception). Woof lol

[Mjvb5]

Nope

Yeahhhhhh nah I'm a +1 that Nope. This is knee-jerk BS. He's an elite passer from a physicality p.o.v, that much is true.

But until he wins against real-deal defenses, and shows he can win a big game, you can't anoint a CHARGERS QB over a literal MVP and Superbowl winning freak talent in Mahomes. And you especially can't do it just because he's having a nice game against -adjusts monocle- "the Bengals".

In case you needed reminding... because apparently you do... Herbert vs. "good" defenses this year: very poopy.

vs. DAL Wk2 - L 17-20
vs. BAL Wk6 - L 6-34
vs. NE Wk8 - L 24-27
vs. DEN Wk12 - L 13-28

These are literally the 4 most impressive defenses he's faced this year, and he lost to all of them. If you wanted to count the Watt-less and Minkah-Fitz-Less Steelers win that he almost blew multiple times... then yeah, sure...

Come back to us and state your case when he outright beats a good D OR wins an MVP OR wins a dang Superbowl in his 2nd season as a starter OR grows a sick moustache and mullet and wears a Top Gun flight jacket to a game and renames himself Gardner Minshew II because OTHERWISE we AREN'T INTERESTED.

Put Tyrek and Kelce on the Chargers and he would be.

It's not like he's starved of weapons in LA though? Allen, Williams, and ekeler. Sure it's not those two but it's not like he's working with the raiders core.

[MFundercover]

Sanders finally has a good game with volume...loses his shoe on a goal line carry, gets injured in the 4th quarter.

Probably the most Miles Sanders thing ever.

[FantasyFreak]

I find football barely watchable anymore with defenders being asked to do the impossible, and refs making bad calls at the worst times in games....highly suspect in a lot of cases.

[FantasyFreak]

Jaylen Waddle is a great example of why full PPR isn't perhaps such a great scoring system.

[Mjvb5]

Jaylen Waddle is a great example of why full PPR isn't perhaps such a great scoring system.

Never thought the comp for him would be landry the 2nd

[FantasyFreak]

Jaylen Waddle is a great example of why full PPR isn't perhaps such a great scoring system.

Never thought the comp for him would be landry the 2nd

It's true.

[FantasyFreak]

This shouldn't be a hot take, but many will consider it that. Mahomes is an elite talent, but he isn't an elite QB right now. He's outside the top ten in QBR I believe (counting this game) and has a QB rating in the low 90's. He consistently makes poor decisions, game in, game out. He's an elite QB talent, who simply isn't playing up to that right now. Luckily, their D has stepped up lately. Chiefs have a good team that is able to pick up the slack for each other when one side of the ball isn't on.

[nathanq42]

This shouldn't be a hot take, but many will consider it that. Mahomes is an elite talent, but he isn't an elite QB right now. He's outside the top ten in QBR I believe (counting this game) and has a QB rating in the low 90's. He consistently makes poor decisions, game in, game out. He's an elite QB talent, who simply isn't playing up to that right now. Luckily, their D has stepped up lately. Chiefs have a good team that is able to pick up the slack for each other when one side of the ball isn't on.

I liken him to Favre, many many TDs, but you gotta take the INTs that comes with the gunslinger vibes. But it feels like he is trying a little too hard to be what the media has billed him to be, and not a QB that just wants to win, he has to do it in a certain fashion it seems.

Plus any D can bail out a QB when playing the Teddy B spearheaded Broncos

[Dynasty DeLorean]

This shouldn't be a hot take, but many will consider it that. Mahomes is an elite talent, but he isn't an elite QB right now. He's outside the top ten in QBR I believe (counting this game) and has a QB rating in the low 90's. He consistently makes poor decisions, game in, game out. He's an elite QB talent, who simply isn't playing up to that right now. Luckily, their D has stepped up lately. Chiefs have a good team that is able to pick up the slack for each other when one side of the ball isn't on.

I liken him to Favre, many many TDs, but you gotta take the INTs that comes with the gunslinger vibes. But it feels like he is trying a little too hard to be what the media has billed him to be, and not a QB that just wants to win, he has to do it in a certain fashion it seems.

Plus any D can bail out a QB when playing the Teddy B spearheaded Broncos

I agree with the 2nd part somewhat, but the 1st part doesn't really make sense. Sure Mahomes is a gunslinger but he has a career 1.6% INT rate, whereas Farve was 3.3%, so double that of Mahomes. Even in his "worst" season, Mahomes is still under 3% so not even at Favres average.

I think the GM has failed this team, at least in terms of offensive weapons. They've had the opportunity to bring in easy, EASY first guesses of offensive talent like Allen Robinson, DK Metcalf, and Jonathan Taylor. Instead they opted for Sammy Watkins, Mecole Hardman and Clyde Edwards Mehlaire. I'm sure everything will end up fine in the long run, but in the short term teams have seemed to figure out how to corral this offense in its current state.

[FantasyFreak]

This shouldn't be a hot take, but many will consider it that. Mahomes is an elite talent, but he isn't an elite QB right now. He's outside the top ten in QBR I believe (counting this game) and has a QB rating in the low 90's. He consistently makes poor decisions, game in, game out. He's an elite QB talent, who simply isn't playing up to that right now. Luckily, their D has stepped up lately. Chiefs have a good team that is able to pick up the slack for each other when one side of the ball isn't on.

I liken him to Favre, many many TDs, but you gotta take the INTs that comes with the gunslinger vibes. But it feels like he is trying a little too hard to be what the media has billed him to be, and not a QB that just wants to win, he has to do it in a certain fashion it seems.

Plus any D can bail out a QB when playing the Teddy B spearheaded Broncos

I agree with the 2nd part somewhat, but the 1st part doesn't really make sense. Sure Mahomes is a gunslinger but he has a career 1.6% INT rate, whereas Farve was 3.3%, so double that of Mahomes. Even in his "worst" season, Mahomes is still under 3% so not even at Favres average.

I think the GM has failed this team, at least in terms of offensive weapons. They've had the opportunity to bring in easy, EASY first guesses of offensive talent like Allen Robinson, DK Metcalf, and Jonathan Taylor. Instead they opted for Sammy Watkins, Mecole Hardman and Clyde Edwards Mehlaire. I'm sure everything will end up fine in the long run, but in the short term teams have seemed to figure out how to corral this offense in its current state.

He still has more to work with than a lot of QB's. Tyreek and Kelce are elite players at their position, and CEH isn't some scrub, albeit not the best back in that draft. Stick Mahomes in front of that Raiders OL with the WR's they currently have and no Waller, or in NE, or on a handful of other teams. As I said, he's an elite talent, but he also has what people consider a top 3 offensive mind in the game at HC/Offensive play designer and he's not playing elite football. He's a far better talent than Carr or Mac, don't get me wrong. I'm just saying he doesn't have it oh so bad. He's just struggling with the on field part of the game as D's have adapted to his style, IMO. He isn't willing to consistently play small ball that teams will give him, and until he has the patience to be willing to dink and dunk his way to a 12 play/80 yard drive if that's what they are willing to concede, he'll have this type of issue.

[Dynasty DeLorean]

This is just a speculative thought, but watching Teddy Bridgewater play terribly tonight and remembering they just paid Sutton a boat load of cash, sort of seems like Teddy won't be back next year considering he doesn't target Sutton unless he's being double covered 50 yards down the field. It would be quite strange if they paid Sutton while also having in mind to bring back a QB that hates throwing to Sutton.