Jalen Hurts: What's the verdict?

[M-Dub]

I think Hurts will be great!

I didn't think he was a very good college QB, so I'd be rwally surprised if he succeeds at this level, but Josh Allen has shown it's not impossible.

Huh? He finished second in Heisman voting to Burrow.

[jenkins.math]

I think Hurts will be great!

I didn't think he was a very good college QB, so I'd be rwally surprised if he succeeds at this level, but Josh Allen has shown it's not impossible.

Huh? He finished second in Heisman voting to Burrow.

Tim Tebow and Eric Crouch won the Heisman.

[Sriracha]

I didn't think he was a very good college QB, so I'd be rwally surprised if he succeeds at this level, but Josh Allen has shown it's not impossible.

Huh? He finished second in Heisman voting to Burrow.

Tim Tebow and Eric Crouch won the Heisman.

They were very good college QBs

[jenkins.math]

Huh? He finished second in Heisman voting to Burrow.

Tim Tebow and Eric Crouch won the Heisman.

They were very good college QBs

Pretty sure he meant in terms of being pro prospects and how their game would translate to the NFL. At least that is how I took it.

[Mjvb5]

Carson Wince is so bad it Hurts!

I know this is a Hurts thread but I can’t remember the last time we’ve seen a QB collapse like this. He had 4 really solid years with low turnovers. Most QBs that crater and lose their job there are at least warning signs. Are there any examples of this in the past? I suppose you could say Carson Palmer?

Saw a stat that the closes four example were qbs in the year they retired that fell off a cliff and one other guy who I forget
Palmer, peyton and favre.

[remedy29]

Huh? He finished second in Heisman voting to Burrow.

Tim Tebow and Eric Crouch won the Heisman.

They were very good college QBs

Considering his popularity and college career accomplishments, Tebow may be one of the best college QBs.

He didn't have the arm talent to play in today's NFL though, however he has won more playoff games than many 1st round QBs.

[murphysxm]

It does, but it doesn't get me super excited as a colts fan. I'm sure he has a connection to reich and the colts could easily afford him. With their current line, Wentz wouldn't be forced into making brutal decisions. But situations change. Not long ago Andrew Luck was getting routinely massacred behind a porous OLine.

Unless Philly east A LOT of his contract, Ballard is not making this move,

The Eagles don't really have a choice but to eat the rest of the signing bonus. With that gone, it's basically a 4 year deal with $24m annual average, and only "rolling guarantees" (which I think mean his contract is guaranteed on something like the 5th day of the new league year if he is still on the roster- open to hearing from someone who knows more about it though). That seems like a fairly cheap, low-risk contract for a team like the Colts.

If this is accurate (and I am no cap expert) this would change things. I could also see them giving him time to learn from Rivers and playing the long game

[ThunderTung]

I LOVE the fact that they're giving him starting duties. Was able to grab him in the 5th round of our rookie draft last season and all I have at the position right now is an inconsistent Mayfield.

Either I get another option at QB or I don't have to waste a roster spot on him next season. Took him with the assumption it'd probably be a 2-3 years before I see any sort of return

[dark_knite03]

Is there a scenario where they give someone a draft pick to take Wentz and his salary.

[jcc6fd]

For those comparing Hurts to Tebow or other college QBs who didn’t succeed in the NFL, you should know Hurts lead the NCAA last year in YPA under center. He has arm talent. Not a guarantee he’ll succeed but makes the Tebow comparisons a bit off base.

[Jigga94]

Is there a scenario where they give someone a draft pick to take Wentz and his salary.

The Bortles situation... Hurts would really have to ball out for that imo. Even then, you have to find someone willing to go in on Wentz for that contract.

I'd think if they were trading him, they would want a pick and probably keep most the salary themselves. I am (shockingly) no expert though.

[jenkins.math]

Is there a scenario where they give someone a draft pick to take Wentz and his salary.

The Bortles situation... Hurts would really have to ball out for that imo. Even then, you have to find someone willing to go in on Wentz for that contract.

I'd think if they were trading him, they would want a pick and probably keep most the salary themselves. I am (shockingly) no expert though.

The NFL is not like the NBA in that the contract just goes with the player when they are traded. Trading Wentz is the same thing as cutting him according to the cap rules. Getting rid of Wentz in any fashion before the 21 season is over is a 59 million dollar dead cap hit to the Eagles.

The earliest the Eagles could move Wentz is after the 21 season when his cap hit drops to 24 million.

[M-Dub]

Tim Tebow and Eric Crouch won the Heisman.

They were very good college QBs

Pretty sure he meant in terms of being pro prospects and how their game would translate to the NFL. At least that is how I took it.

Perhaps that’s what he meant, but it’s not what he said. Even if we go with your interpretation, it’s really all about one’s subjective definition of “very good.” He certainly qualifies for me. He broke out as a true freshman at Bama and his career stats as both a passer and runner are far superior to those of Josh Allen, the comp from the original post in question. He might not have fit the traditional mold of an NFL QB 10 years ago, but the game has clearly evolved from the era of towering, immobile statues under center. I think he was a steal for the Eagles in the late 2nd round and could be the same for dynasty owners who took him in the 3rd or even later.

[ColdZealDonkeyStrike]

Getting rid of Wentz in any fashion before the 21 season is over is a 59 million dollar dead cap hit to the Eagles.

That's not entirely accurate. If they cut him their dead cap is the remainder of his signing bonus (about $33.5M) plus his 2021 salary, which was fully guarantee in March 2020 when he was still on the roster ($25.6M). If they trade him, the signing bonus dead cap still hits, but the 2021 salary gets paid by his new team, so the eagles don't take a dead cap for that. So they'd save about $800k in cap space by trading him in 2021, and more importantly would be off scott free starting in 2022.
Plus the remaining contract after Philly eats his signing bonus is around what a low end starter like Nick Foles or Teddy Bridgwater got, and fairly cheap to get out of. I think some teams will see that contact as a bargain, and Philly gets a day 2 or early day 3 pick for Wentz.

[ColdZealDonkeyStrike]

I found a good breakdown of the eagles options with his contract HERE.
I was a bit off on the numbers I mentioned earlier. The team acquiring Wentz would get him on a 4 year $98.5M deal, with 2021 guaranteed and $15M in 2022 guaranteed. I feel like the Colts and Pats will be interested, maybe some other teams.