Jalen Hurts: What's the verdict?

[Pac_Eddy]

In my opinion, these QBs that aren't good passers and rely on running aren't great QBs. They can be good, and with the right support can lead to wins. Teams deal with it while keeping an eye on finding a better passer, though Lamar is just good enough overall that he's secure.

I think Darnold is a poor man's Hurts, who is a poor man's Jackson.

[FantasyFreak]

Another huge difference between real football and Fantasy. They are still running read option runs down by 23 in the 4th. He's just such a limited QB for real football. Right now, for FF, it's working great, but I highly recommend you get out to team looking short term, unless of course you think you can win a title, before it bottoms out. You can't win football games with this guy in the NFL, unless he really starts to show something I'm not sure he has.

[Jigga94]

I think he had more fantasy points in the last 10 mins than the other 50. Teams go up big and play prevent the whole 4th against them basically

[Shcritters]

I think he had more fantasy points in the last 10 mins than the other 50. Teams go up big and play prevent the whole 4th against them basically

I was thinking this same thing when I posted on this last week… does anyone have any data that shows his fantasy points scored by quarter? I’d be shocked if it wasn’t HEAVILY weighted toward Q3/Q4 (especially Q4).

[FantasyFreak]

I think he had more fantasy points in the last 10 mins than the other 50. Teams go up big and play prevent the whole 4th against them basically

I was thinking this same thing when I posted on this last week… does anyone have any data that shows his fantasy points scored by quarter? I’d be shocked if it wasn’t HEAVILY weighted toward Q3/Q4 (especially Q4).

Even non FF people are pointing that out, everybody is noticing. Yesterday was a great example. Game was out of hand before he did anything. Even the TD toss he lobbed up into triple coverage, the defenders just all kind of got in each others way. I'm not sure Hurts lasts the year, but I think he's almost certainly 1 and done as the starter in Philly.

[ArrylT]

I cannot give fantasy points per quarter but Pro-Football Ref splits can provide the stats per quarter and an owner can take that and plug it into their scoring system

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... lits/2021/

Quarter Comp Att Inc % Yrds TD

1st Qtr 39 60 21 65.00 373 4
2nd Qtr 37 62 25 59.68 456 1
3rd Qtr 28 47 19 59.57 350 1
4th Qtr 44 73 29 60.27 537 4

Quarter Rush Att Yards Avg TD
1st Qtr 8 49 6.1 0
2nd Qtr 17 61 3.6 0
3rd Qtr 22 126 5.7 2
4th Qtr 19 125 6.6 3

[Jigga94]

ArrylT beat me to it.

His QBR by quarter is
97
81
72
101

He doesn't have a single rush TD in the 1st half this year (5 in 2nd half) and has double his rushing yardage in the 2nd as the 1st half

[FantasyFreak]

ArrylT beat me to it.

His QBR by quarter is
97
81
72
101

He doesn't have a single rush TD in the 1st half this year (5 in 2nd half) and has double his rushing yardage in the 2nd as the 1st half

The Raiders were up 30-7 and they were running read option stuff. They were totally willing to give him 8 yards. It was almost pathetic, they were running the clock out on themselves, it seemed. Any competent QB would be going no huddle, moving the ball quickly, the entire Eagles offense just seems lethargic with him at QB. It's not really his fault, per se, he's just a limited QB and the offense and their "systems" are limited to that.

[ArrylT]

Here are Blake Bortles splits from his magical 2015 season (QB4 for fantasy purposes)

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... lits/2015/

Quarter
1st Qtr 70 118 48 59.32 891 2
2nd Qtr 99 170 71 58.24 1116 10
3rd Qtr 76 122 46 62.30 969 9
4th Qtr 111 193 82 57.51 1442 14

Trailing, < 4 min to go 49 80 31 61.25 653 7

[Ice]

Short term Fantasy wise he is really good but at this point Hurts doesn't really look like a solid long term NFL answer. He misses a lot of automatic throws. He is young and does several good things but he doesn't flash elite as often as he flashes below average. The good news is he doesn't have a lot of starts so there still is a development window.

Ultimately at this level it doesn't matter his heart or desire; At QB it is always about talent and there are only 32 spots on the planet for a starting NFL QB. If you are in the middle or worse at this position the job isn't safe.

Areas where major improvement is needed in addition to field vision.

28th completion %
21st YPA
20th TD%

The Eagles are a mess.

I would like to own him short term but his asking price is probably not worth the risk given he many not even be a starter in a few years. I don't see that coach surviving very long which is another concern for Hurts.

[ArrylT]

Or I suppose we can just look on twitter.

https://twitter.com/notJDaigle/status/1 ... 7538049034

Jalen Hurts’ fantasy points by quarter:

1: 33.8
2: 26.3
3: 38.6
4: 75.9

[Shcritters]

Or I suppose we can just look on twitter.

https://twitter.com/notJDaigle/status/1 ... 7538049034

Jalen Hurts’ fantasy points by quarter:

1: 33.8
2: 26.3
3: 38.6
4: 75.9

There it is! I figured it was something along those lines… that’s not sustainable at the NFL level to keep your job as the QB with the record the Eagles have. The only upside is that there isn’t a lot of talent in the draft at QB next year… perhaps he gets another go in 2022.

[mild]

The Eagles just traded Joe Flacco to the Jets, in a pact of the damned that is possibly the most accursed trade yet for the 2021 Season.

For those of us that thought Minschew was better than Flacco anyway, this probably doesn't make the needle move that much.

But considering that it's one less veteran option behind Hurts, it indicates that the Eagles may indeed still be willing to ride Hurts into the sunset as their starter this year (despite the results) which is important for those of us in win-now seasons that are still rostering our young garbage time king.

[FantasyFreak]

The Eagles just traded Joe Flacco to the Jets, in a pact of the damned that is possibly the most accursed trade yet for the 2021 Season.

For those of us that thought Minschew was better than Flacco anyway, this probably doesn't make the needle move that much.

But considering that it's one less veteran option behind Hurts, it indicates that the Eagles may indeed still be willing to ride Hurts into the sunset as their starter this year (despite the results) which is important for those of us in win-now seasons that are still rostering our young garbage time king.

I think it has to do more with the fact they are 2-5, and Flacco holds no value to them. In fact, the fact they could get ANY value out of Flacco at all was reason enough to make the move. I don't think Howie thought elite Joe had any trade value at all. I actually heard a show recently saying they wouldn't be surprised to see Minshew soon, and this was before the trade. Who really knows, but I don't think moving Flacco would have any impact on when the hook comes out for Hurts, if it does. They would most likely be looking to see what they have in Minshew, rather than put in Flacco, who would have zero chance at being the guy in Philly in the future. Minshew perhaps flashed enough in Jacksonville to at least give the Eagles the thought of seeing what they have first hand. I think Sirianni may go to Minshew if things continue to go poorly, if he feels his job is on the line, because if Minshew can step in and give them a spark, he can point to that, and that Hurts was the reason. That type of thing can happen. I don't expect it to, but I wouldn't be surprised either.

[Jigga94]

The Eagles just traded Joe Flacco to the Jets, in a pact of the damned that is possibly the most accursed trade yet for the 2021 Season.

For those of us that thought Minschew was better than Flacco anyway, this probably doesn't make the needle move that much.

But considering that it's one less veteran option behind Hurts, it indicates that the Eagles may indeed still be willing to ride Hurts into the sunset as their starter this year (despite the results) which is important for those of us in win-now seasons that are still rostering our young garbage time king.

I think it has to do more with the fact they are 2-5, and Flacco holds no value to them. In fact, the fact they could get ANY value out of Flacco at all was reason enough to make the move. I don't think Howie thought elite Joe had any trade value at all. I actually heard a show recently saying they wouldn't be surprised to see Minshew soon, and this was before the trade. Who really knows, but I don't think moving Flacco would have any impact on when the hook comes out for Hurts, if it does. They would most likely be looking to see what they have in Minshew, rather than put in Flacco, who would have zero chance at being the guy in Philly in the future. Minshew perhaps flashed enough in Jacksonville to at least give the Eagles the thought of seeing what they have first hand. I think Sirianni may go to Minshew if things continue to go poorly, if he feels his job is on the line, because if Minshew can step in and give them a spark, he can point to that, and that Hurts was the reason. That type of thing can happen. I don't expect it to, but I wouldn't be surprised either.

Bingo. I was amazed when the Ravens got a pick for ELITE Joe.

If Mild thinks this helps Hurts, I wonder what he thinks it does to Wilson lol