Jalen Hurts: What's the verdict?

[Orenthal Shames]

Saw this on Twitter:

In 9 full games as a starter, he has at least 21 points in each start. He's averaging 27 points in those starts.

Could be a better fantasy player than football player, or perhaps the Eagles aren't maximizing a player who could actually be really good

Yeah, based on everything I have seen, it's the former, not the latter. After watching the Monday game, followed by the Thursday game, there's no doubt in my mind Wentz is the better real life QB. I don't doubt that it was time for the two sides to part ways, but I think the Eagles definitely should look into a move next year with those picks, one way or another. They are stuck in a holding pattern with this guy. He's just not talented enough in any facet of the game to make the style he plays excel. I think the Eagles off season next year will be one of the most exciting, in terms of FF shake up.

I'm not sure I've ever seen anything like this before, at least not that comes to mind. The Tebow comp is solid, but I don't remember him going nuclear in FF every damn game. It's wild to watch. Hurts has been Teflon.

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[Ruggenater]

Saw this on Twitter:

In 9 full games as a starter, he has at least 21 points in each start. He's averaging 27 points in those starts.

Could be a better fantasy player than football player, or perhaps the Eagles aren't maximizing a player who could actually be really good

Yeah, based on everything I have seen, it's the former, not the latter. After watching the Monday game, followed by the Thursday game, there's no doubt in my mind Wentz is the better real life QB. I don't doubt that it was time for the two sides to part ways, but I think the Eagles definitely should look into a move next year with those picks, one way or another. They are stuck in a holding pattern with this guy. He's just not talented enough in any facet of the game to make the style he plays excel. I think the Eagles off season next year will be one of the most exciting, in terms of FF shake up.

I'm not sure I've ever seen anything like this before, at least not that comes to mind. The Tebow comp is solid, but I don't remember him going nuclear in FF every damn game. It's wild to watch. Hurts has been Teflon.

The one that comes to mind for me is Tyrod Taylor back when he was with Buffalo (~2016).

[Mike11]

Agreed. That play early on where he scrambled to his left right into a defender for a 2 yard loss rather than just throw the ball away for an imcompletion. I dont think the game has slowed down enough for him yet and he's got a long way to go. I'm just not sure there's enough time for that development. With 2(3) firsts next year there's going to be a lot of calls for a change sooner than later.

It'll be interesting to see if the Eagles stick by him, I think it's been said but to me it's really Watson or bust if they want to go that route (and personally I don't think they should). My analysis is, 1) Give him the whole year 2) Assess at year and and use those other picks to continue building talent around him 3) Either stop gap next year if he's that bad and aim for 2023 or see if another team wants him. I wouldn't be shocked if another QB needy team wants him honestly, I think there a worse starters when you consider his upside.

They have 3 firsts, assuming Wentz plays enough. With that kind of capital, they won't pass on a QB upgrade, IMO. You only have a shot every so often, via draft or trade. I believe the Eagles will use it. Nobody wants to be in QB purgatory, and that's exactly what Hurts is.

I get what you mean FF but I'm not seeing a QB in this class that makes them a better franchise (right now based on what I'm reading and seeing). This is also dependent on the staff, this staff shouldn't stay if they go that route because they're absolutely not doing anything to "unlock Hurts" that's for sure.

[PigeonBoys]

Yeah, based on everything I have seen, it's the former, not the latter. After watching the Monday game, followed by the Thursday game, there's no doubt in my mind Wentz is the better real life QB. I don't doubt that it was time for the two sides to part ways, but I think the Eagles definitely should look into a move next year with those picks, one way or another. They are stuck in a holding pattern with this guy. He's just not talented enough in any facet of the game to make the style he plays excel. I think the Eagles off season next year will be one of the most exciting, in terms of FF shake up.

I'm not sure I've ever seen anything like this before, at least not that comes to mind. The Tebow comp is solid, but I don't remember him going nuclear in FF every damn game. It's wild to watch. Hurts has been Teflon.

The one that comes to mind for me is Tyrod Taylor back when he was with Buffalo (~2016).

This actually reminds me of Blake Bortles a few years back with Jax. Downright awful real life qb but top 5 for fantasy somehow and then gets replaced shortly thereafter.

[murphysxm]

I have now watched two Eagles games, so small sample size. But I think we are banging the coaching staff and that may not be fair. I personally feel the playbook is so basic because Hurts just can't handle a lot right now. He is not able to read defenses at this point. The lack of run plays is very much a reflection of defenses not being concerned about the passing game and allocating extra players to enforce the line. This is also making the short/intermediate passing game a challenge. Jalen is ether going to throw long or scramble. Every defense knows this. I am not yet decided if it can be corrected, but today the Eagles are dealing with a talented QB with serious limitations

[PigeonBoys]

I have now watched two Eagles games, so small sample size. But I think we are banging the coaching staff and that may not be fair. I personally feel the playbook is so basic because Hurts just can't handle a lot right now. He is not able to read defenses at this point. The lack of run plays is very much a reflection of defenses not being concerned about the passing game and allocating extra players to enforce the line. This is also making the short/intermediate passing game a challenge. Jalen is ether going to throw long or scramble. Every defense knows this. I am not yet decided if it can be corrected, but today the Eagles are dealing with a talented QB with serious limitations

I still think there is a good amount of blame on the coaching staff. They don’t run the ball consistently, they average about 22 rushing attempts per game, half of which are from Hurts. Point being that it’s difficult for a young qb to carry the team without a running game, puts too much pressure on the qb. If they were more balanced like their first two games I believe hurts and the team as a whole would be more successful.

[KingsKing]

I have now watched two Eagles games, so small sample size. But I think we are banging the coaching staff and that may not be fair. I personally feel the playbook is so basic because Hurts just can't handle a lot right now. He is not able to read defenses at this point. The lack of run plays is very much a reflection of defenses not being concerned about the passing game and allocating extra players to enforce the line. This is also making the short/intermediate passing game a challenge. Jalen is ether going to throw long or scramble. Every defense knows this. I am not yet decided if it can be corrected, but today the Eagles are dealing with a talented QB with serious limitations

I still think there is a good amount of blame on the coaching staff. They don’t run the ball consistently, they average about 22 rushing attempts per game, half of which are from Hurts. Point being that it’s difficult for a young qb to carry the team without a running game, puts too much pressure on the qb. If they were more balanced like their first two games I believe hurts and the team as a whole would be more successful.

But if they are running RPO's and the QB is the one deciding to keep the ball 90% of the time it's not really on the coach is it?

[PigeonBoys]

I have now watched two Eagles games, so small sample size. But I think we are banging the coaching staff and that may not be fair. I personally feel the playbook is so basic because Hurts just can't handle a lot right now. He is not able to read defenses at this point. The lack of run plays is very much a reflection of defenses not being concerned about the passing game and allocating extra players to enforce the line. This is also making the short/intermediate passing game a challenge. Jalen is ether going to throw long or scramble. Every defense knows this. I am not yet decided if it can be corrected, but today the Eagles are dealing with a talented QB with serious limitations

I still think there is a good amount of blame on the coaching staff. They don’t run the ball consistently, they average about 22 rushing attempts per game, half of which are from Hurts. Point being that it’s difficult for a young qb to carry the team without a running game, puts too much pressure on the qb. If they were more balanced like their first two games I believe hurts and the team as a whole would be more successful.

But if they are running RPO's and the QB is the one deciding to keep the ball 90% of the time it's not really on the coach is it?

They had one, ONE, designed run all of the first half. You just can’t do that and be successful. That’s on the coaching staff to but put the ball into sanders hands. Honestly I don’t know what the staff is thinking half the time in Philly, look at the games the eagles have been competitive in, they have a higher percentage of designed run plays called whereas in losses they have had less than 10 designed runs to rbs in those games, just asinine.

I also don’t buy the playing from behind narrative as I believe they are playing behind because they can’t sustain drives which usually is aided by the run game. Their play calling in first halves this year has been laughable in losses especially.

[KingsKing]

Since the Falcons game he has the lowest QBR in the league by a mile at 32, also only 5 tds and 4 ints and a 60% completion percentage. They are a Vintage Sam Darnold performance away from being 1-5 right now . Coaching staff doesn’t help him but let’s put the blame where it belongs , he simply isn’t playing well.

[FantasyFreak]

It'll be interesting to see if the Eagles stick by him, I think it's been said but to me it's really Watson or bust if they want to go that route (and personally I don't think they should). My analysis is, 1) Give him the whole year 2) Assess at year and and use those other picks to continue building talent around him 3) Either stop gap next year if he's that bad and aim for 2023 or see if another team wants him. I wouldn't be shocked if another QB needy team wants him honestly, I think there a worse starters when you consider his upside.

They have 3 firsts, assuming Wentz plays enough. With that kind of capital, they won't pass on a QB upgrade, IMO. You only have a shot every so often, via draft or trade. I believe the Eagles will use it. Nobody wants to be in QB purgatory, and that's exactly what Hurts is.

I get what you mean FF but I'm not seeing a QB in this class that makes them a better franchise (right now based on what I'm reading and seeing). This is also dependent on the staff, this staff shouldn't stay if they go that route because they're absolutely not doing anything to "unlock Hurts" that's for sure.

You don't think any QB coming out of college is better than Hurts? I mean, Howell was making 4 read progressions as a true freshman vs Clemson. He's clearly a better prospect than Hurts, just to name one. They could go for the big move with Watson, too. Right now, they have 3 firsts, and they are 2-4, Indy is 1-4, Miami is 1-4. Right now, they are all top ten picks. They have the ammo, for sure. I just don't see how they can be watching this display and not be thinking of a QB upgrade when they have a real chance to do it next year. I'd be shocked. Unless they plan to build like Washington, and get the QB last. Hurts is on borrowed time, IMO. Guy would make a really nice back up. He'd come in when teams aren't prepared for him, and provide a type of game that is difficult to defend, out of the blue, for a game or two. Beyond that, he's just not going to cut it, IMO.

[joeya2001]

Just playing devils advocate here.

I remember a lot on here has similar comments about Lamar Jackson, granted I’m not comparing Hurts to Jackson. But it is possible he could over time learn to be a passer much like Jackson is still working at this as well. I believe we will see another year or two of hurts to see if he gets there.

He is a cheap QB playing on a rookie contract. I don’t envision the eagles taking a day 1 QB to replace Hurts at least this off season. Yes I do own him, only because he was dropped last season week 1 or 2 I can’t remember. So I’m not heavily invested in the guy so if he flops owell. However if I find a buyer I’d sell for sure.

I wouldn’t conclude so early that the guys fate is already written

[Shcritters]

There is not one other player in the NFL I want to see succeed more than Jalen - you could write books about the class he showed in handling the Alabama QB situation with Tua - but I don’t think his current level of play is going to keep him as an NFL QB. His fantasy stats are nice, but I think his passing yards are inflated given his team has been down and he’s been throwing against D’s playing soft coverages. Last night he had like 60 yards passing at halftime against the league’s worst pass D team. That’s not going to get it done long term in the NFL.

There’s time for him to grow, and I’m rooting for him, but not trying to acquire him because I just don’t see it so far. I hope I’m wrong.