Gruden Resigning as Raiders HC

[Bronco Billy]

How do high profile people not learn that you don’t put objectionable opinions in pieces that can be discovered at a later date? If you want to go into the upper echelon in your chosen profession you just have to be aware enough that this kind of stuff can be used to destroy your career at a later date. Maybe electronic awareness ought to be part of curriculum in schools these days.

[Pac_Eddy]

How do high profile people not learn that you don’t put objectionable opinions in pieces that can be discovered at a later date? If you want to go into the upper echelon in your chosen profession you just have to be aware enough that this kind of stuff can be used to destroy your career at a later date. Maybe electronic awareness ought to be part of curriculum in schools these days.

I asked the same question. I think the answer is entitlement. That kind of money and power makes you feel untouchable, even as you watch others go down for the same thing.

This also highlights how organizations are ok those views and attitudes from people until it's documented and exposed.

[Anteaters]

How do high profile people not learn that you don’t put objectionable opinions in pieces that can be discovered at a later date? If you want to go into the upper echelon in your chosen profession you just have to be aware enough that this kind of stuff can be used to destroy your career at a later date. Maybe electronic awareness ought to be part of curriculum in schools these days.

It's because this never mattered before. The NFL didn't care about equality or anything like that. Remember when Jimmy the Greek said all kinds of racist stuff and it was common knowledge but didn't lose his job until said it in a televised interview? Remember when Rush Limbaugh said racist stuff about McNabb and instead of firing or even reprimanding Limbaugh ESPN's Vice President defended Limbaugh? Heck, a few years ago they blackballed a guy out of the league who was speaking out for equality. Now, just a couple of years later, the NFL has the same slogans in every endzone in the league.

Times change.

In the days when Gruden was writing those racist and bigoted emails, he would have never gotten fired for them. Half the reporters probably would have been laughing with him while he was saying stuff like that.

The NFL is a slow dinosaur, but it's making its way to a new age.

[Anteaters]

This also highlights how organizations are ok those views and attitudes from people until it's documented and exposed.

Exactly!

Gruden sent those emails to the GM and other employees of the team. Not one person said anything about it.

[Bronco Billy]

How do high profile people not learn that you don’t put objectionable opinions in pieces that can be discovered at a later date? If you want to go into the upper echelon in your chosen profession you just have to be aware enough that this kind of stuff can be used to destroy your career at a later date. Maybe electronic awareness ought to be part of curriculum in schools these days.

It's because this never mattered before. The NFL didn't care about equality or anything like that. Remember when Jimmy the Greek said all kinds of racist stuff and it was common knowledge but didn't lose his job until said it in a televised interview? Remember when Rush Limbaugh said racist stuff about McNabb and instead of firing or even reprimanding Limbaugh ESPN's Vice President defended Limbaugh? Heck, a few years ago they blackballed a guy out of the league who was speaking out for equality. Now, just a couple of years later, the NFL has the same slogans in every endzone in the league.

Times change.

In the days when Gruden was writing those racist and bigoted emails, he would have never gotten fired for them. Half the reporters probably would have been laughing with him while he was saying stuff like that.

The NFL is a slow dinosaur, but it's making its way to a new age.

It always matters if you’re in that kind of position. It’s why you stay away from controversial non-job related issues - it can always be held against you later when someone decides they have an ax to grind or are going to use you to make a name for themselves. And you’re probably correct about the reporters, but then anyone in that position should know that journalists are about the least trustworthy and most hypocritical people walking the face of the planet.

[pvillebiker]

what impact do we think this has on waller the baller? Given his top target share now, seems natural to wonder if that takes a hit.

[nathanq42]

what impact do we think this has on waller the baller? Given his top target share now, seems natural to wonder if that takes a hit.

Depends on the coach they bring in. Some cram square pegs into circle holes to fit "their scheme" strengths and weaknesses of the current roster be damned, some who I think are smarter take a more adaptive approach and fit their scheme to the strengths and weaknesses that are inherent in the roster they are taking over. Hopefully they get a guy that recognizes that regardless of Waller being a TE he is the best pass catcher on the team and should be fed as such

[rschroeder1]

Bad news for everyone on offense except maybe Jacobs.
Once the offensive system is completely overhauled (maybe not till next season) I think Waller falls off a cliff.
Hard to tell with Carr, but at some point he'll be traded.

Good news that he's been kicked to the curb.

Admittedly a Waller owner here, but this seems like a stretch. While it's fun for keeper/dynasty perspectives to forecast Ruggs/Edwards, Waller may very well be the best pass catcher on the team for at least the next couple years. Hard to believe they move away from him. Not only that, athletic TE like Waller are the trend in the NFL.

Carr is a FA after '22, so I suppose it's possible the Raiders trade him after '21, but to what end in an overhaul? They aren't going to have a high draft pick this year. Not sure Davis is going to green-light a multi-year rebuilding project with his new stadium waiting to rake in the cash.

[Anteaters]

Waller may very well be the best pass catcher on the team for at least the next couple years. Hard to believe they move away from him. Not only that, athletic TE like Waller are the trend in the NFL.

I agree 100%. I just don't trust Mark Davis to hire the right person to run the team. The wrong hire could kill Waller's fantasy production.

[FantasyFreak]

The scheme won't change much this year. I will also tell you, for those who don't follow the Raiders closely, Gruden's play calling, especially in the Red Zone, was bad. He was way too predictable. The idea of him giving up play calling duties was a thing for real fans for a while, but of course his ego and power over everything would not permit him to even consider that. He was a good play designer, but a bad play caller.

[Shoreline Steamers]

I'd guess someone on staff will be named as the interim HC. They'll try to keep continuity, as changing the system at this point in the season would be foolish. Then in the offseason we'll see an expanded coaching search.

No idea what direction Davis will go in that process. I also wonder in Mayock stays or goes as part of the reorganization?

[FantasyFreak]

I'd guess someone on staff will be named as the interim HC. They'll try to keep continuity, as changing the system at this point in the season would be foolish. Then in the offseason we'll see an expanded coaching search.

No idea what direction Davis will go in that process. I also wonder in Mayock stays or goes as part of the reorganization?

That has already happened.

[BlackOmega]

Hire Siegfried and Roy ... they know how to whip things into shape

Might as well. They couldn't do much worse than Gruden's 22-31 over the past 3+ seasons.

I don't know, they probably aren't as lively with their whips anymore considering they are both 6 feet under!

[DLF3000]

This also highlights how organizations are ok those views and attitudes from people until it's documented and exposed.

Exactly!

Gruden sent those emails to the GM and other employees of the team. Not one person said anything about it.

Everything flows downhill from big business leadership - they have all the power, control and money. Everyone below them is worried about job security and retaliation for saying anything, pretty normal everywhere, especially in big business (though culturally, this is very slowly starting to change, maybe).

None of this is shocking at all.

If anything, genuinely good people in leadership positions at the highest levels is what shocks me, whether in sports or otherwise. Most good people are trampled or exhausted on the way up, or find different, or if they're really lucky, better jobs.

[KingsKing]

The Raiders have a 6'6 TE that runs routes like a Wr and he lines up half the time as a Wr. You would have to be an absolute idiot to come in and not recognize he is the best weapon and needs to be featured.