Gruden Resigning as Raiders HC

[Dynasty_Analyst]

Some of you understand that you are unintentionally asking to unravel the game that we all love, right?

Football is a violent sport. It’s already in the crosshairs of some because of its blatant masculinity. NFL football is the elite level of what is designed to be adversarial and a controlled violence subculture. This is a male culture of overt dominance over one’s opponent.

It’s also almost the perfect team sport. All 11 players on each side of the ball have to function at that elite level and weak links are ruthlessly exposed and exploited. Male bonding and locker room banter are part of the essentials that make the game work and form critical deep bonds that otherwise would not exist in most parts of our society.

There’s a culture that is required to make this sport function. It’s alpha male dominance oriented. No one should be excusing Gruden’s behavior - he’s clearly a throwback to the 70s and never evolved, but got by on his gregarious charm in the public’s eye that went along with his expertise at understanding the intricacies of football theory and being able to manage multi-millionaire delinquents. But if football - and the NFL is the top of that pyramid - is going to survive and thrive, there has to be an understanding that this is explicitly an alpha male sport and culture that lionizes the studs and grinds over the flawed. It’s a fundamental part of what makes the game work, and what makes it loved by so many while simultaneously so despised by some. If this game is going to survive in this day and age, there is going to have to be some concession and admission to what can only be described as dominant maleness - and there’s nothing wrong with that in what should be a tolerant and inclusive society.

He felt above working with women and homosexuals in the workplace. He thought they shouldn’t have jobs working beside him based on there gender and sexual orientation. You can get past some of the ignorant language but this shows not only an ignorant mindset but an actively hateful mindset. He no longer belongs in the sport

[Bronco Billy]

Some of you understand that you are unintentionally asking to unravel the game that we all love, right?

Football is a violent sport. It’s already in the crosshairs of some because of its blatant masculinity. NFL football is the elite level of what is designed to be adversarial and a controlled violence subculture. This is a male culture of overt dominance over one’s opponent.

It’s also almost the perfect team sport. All 11 players on each side of the ball have to function at that elite level and weak links are ruthlessly exposed and exploited. Male bonding and locker room banter are part of the essentials that make the game work and form critical deep bonds that otherwise would not exist in most parts of our society.

There’s a culture that is required to make this sport function. It’s alpha male dominance oriented. No one should be excusing Gruden’s behavior - he’s clearly a throwback to the 70s and never evolved, but got by on his gregarious charm in the public’s eye that went along with his expertise at understanding the intricacies of football theory and being able to manage multi-millionaire delinquents. But if football - and the NFL is the top of that pyramid - is going to survive and thrive, there has to be an understanding that this is explicitly an alpha male sport and culture that lionizes the studs and grinds over the flawed. It’s a fundamental part of what makes the game work, and what makes it loved by so many while simultaneously so despised by some. If this game is going to survive in this day and age, there is going to have to be some concession and admission to what can only be described as dominant maleness - and there’s nothing wrong with that in what should be a tolerant and inclusive society.

He felt above working with women and homosexuals in the workplace. He thought they shouldn’t have jobs working beside him based on there gender and sexual orientation. You can get past some of the ignorant language but this shows not only an ignorant mindset but an actively hateful mindset. He no longer belongs in the sport

Yeah, I get that as I initially stated. What concerns me is that the NFLPA, based upon what transpired with Gruden, is attempting to secure what is reported to be approximately 650,000 emails that are linked to communications between Gruden and Daniel Snyder among others so that they can plow through those. To what end we can only guess, but it’s not a reach to think that may be an attempt at a politically correct purge on the horizon - and some of it may be deserved as Gruden’s was - but in this cancel culture environment it could be a disaster for the league. It should be noted that Snyder has already been fined $12M based upon the results of a closed investigation of those emails.

We can reasonably guess that more than a few of those remaining 650k emails will open threads to all sorts of other pathways throughout the league and beyond and could cause significant ripples with the self appointed CC police leading the charge, and we’ve seen plenty of what they and their accomplices in the media are capable of. This has potentially foreseeable epic consequences to the NFL and beyond.

[nathanq42]

I mean... If you don't want to be cancelled don't be a bigot? I haven't found it difficult to not say anything near as insensitive as what Gruden said. And who cares if those that are like him are gone from the league?

[lukkynumber13]

I mean... If you don't want to be cancelled don't be a bigot? I haven't found it difficult to not say anything near as insensitive as what Gruden said. And who cares if those that are like him are gone from the league?

You've never uttered or texted an off-color joke?

[nathanq42]

I mean... If you don't want to be cancelled don't be a bigot? I haven't found it difficult to not say anything near as insensitive as what Gruden said. And who cares if those that are like him are gone from the league?

You've never uttered or texted an off-color joke?

In a professional setting that can easily be spread/irrevocably traced back to me? No

Have I made the occasional crass joke outside of a professional setting? Most certainly

Not to mention he wasn't cracking jokes being the edgy class clown, he was just using derogatory terms to mock/belittle others.

[StripesOfKC]

Oh no whoever else will they find to win 8 games a year and waste 1st round picks?

[Cameron Giles]

Oh no whoever else will they find to win 8 games a year and waste 1st round picks?

Is that Jeff Fisher's music?

[captain howdy]

Snyder getting fined 12 million Is akin to a speeding ticket

[FiremanEd]

Snyder getting fined 12 million Is akin to a speeding ticket

Ugh, I hate those! No way this impacts him like those bother me.

[Pullo Vision]

Has anyone heard how this impacts the remaining guarantees on Gruden's contract?

[Anteaters]

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/new ... t4t5d5li51
Jon Gruden contract: What Raiders coach's resignation means for future salary, guarantees

IMO, this is the only part of the article that really matters: "Gruden and the Raiders are working on a settlement package in wake of his resignation. However, they haven't come to an agreement on a settlement yet.

"It’s unresolved," an anonymous source told USA TODAY Sports."

Bottom line? No one knows yet.

My assumption is that despite the public announcement, the contract remains in effect until it is officially severed, meaning the Raiders still owe him $60M. That means that whether he performs any more work for the Raiders or not, Gruden will continue to get paid until an agreement is reached. And the agreement to sever the contract will certainly result in tens of millions of dollars being paid to Gruden.

[kmbryant09]

Some of you understand that you are unintentionally asking to unravel the game that we all love, right?

Football is a violent sport. It’s already in the crosshairs of some because of its blatant masculinity. NFL football is the elite level of what is designed to be adversarial and a controlled violence subculture. This is a male culture of overt dominance over one’s opponent.

It’s also almost the perfect team sport. All 11 players on each side of the ball have to function at that elite level and weak links are ruthlessly exposed and exploited. Male bonding and locker room banter are part of the essentials that make the game work and form critical deep bonds that otherwise would not exist in most parts of our society.

There’s a culture that is required to make this sport function. It’s alpha male dominance oriented. No one should be excusing Gruden’s behavior - he’s clearly a throwback to the 70s and never evolved, but got by on his gregarious charm in the public’s eye that went along with his expertise at understanding the intricacies of football theory and being able to manage multi-millionaire delinquents. But if football - and the NFL is the top of that pyramid - is going to survive and thrive, there has to be an understanding that this is explicitly an alpha male sport and culture that lionizes the studs and grinds over the flawed. It’s a fundamental part of what makes the game work, and what makes it loved by so many while simultaneously so despised by some. If this game is going to survive in this day and age, there is going to have to be some concession and admission to what can only be described as dominant maleness - and there’s nothing wrong with that in what should be a tolerant and inclusive society.

This is just an awful post, and I'm trying to hold back.

There's nothing about being a good football player that goes hand-in-hand with being a racist, sexist, homophobic a$$hole - and if you're excusing this type of behavior / language because you think it's a necessary mindset to be a great football player, then I'm guessing you don't really disagree with that line of thinking in the first place.

As others have said, it's pretty easy to go through life without being a homophobe, without using derogatory / defaming language when describing people of different color, gender, and sexual orientation.

And who cares if this audit leads to half the coaches losing their jobs (which I doubt would happen)? If you're a racist, sexist, homophobic a$$hole, guess what - you don't get to coach in the NFL.

And as others have said (again), this isn't cancel culture. This is called accountability and consequences. Considering he was coaching a team mostly full of black people (and ironically enough, the only openly gay player in the NFL currently), and he's on record with racist and anti-gay remarks, he's not fit to lead any NFL locker room, especially not the Las Vegas Raiders.

[FantasyFreak]

Some of you understand that you are unintentionally asking to unravel the game that we all love, right?

Football is a violent sport. It’s already in the crosshairs of some because of its blatant masculinity. NFL football is the elite level of what is designed to be adversarial and a controlled violence subculture. This is a male culture of overt dominance over one’s opponent.

It’s also almost the perfect team sport. All 11 players on each side of the ball have to function at that elite level and weak links are ruthlessly exposed and exploited. Male bonding and locker room banter are part of the essentials that make the game work and form critical deep bonds that otherwise would not exist in most parts of our society.

There’s a culture that is required to make this sport function. It’s alpha male dominance oriented. No one should be excusing Gruden’s behavior - he’s clearly a throwback to the 70s and never evolved, but got by on his gregarious charm in the public’s eye that went along with his expertise at understanding the intricacies of football theory and being able to manage multi-millionaire delinquents. But if football - and the NFL is the top of that pyramid - is going to survive and thrive, there has to be an understanding that this is explicitly an alpha male sport and culture that lionizes the studs and grinds over the flawed. It’s a fundamental part of what makes the game work, and what makes it loved by so many while simultaneously so despised by some. If this game is going to survive in this day and age, there is going to have to be some concession and admission to what can only be described as dominant maleness - and there’s nothing wrong with that in what should be a tolerant and inclusive society.

There's nothing about being a good football player that goes hand-in-hand with being a racist, sexist, homophobic a$$hole - and if you're excusing this type of behavior / language because you think it's a necessary mindset to be a great football player, then I'm guessing you don't really disagree with that line of thinking in the first place.

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[FantasyFreak]

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/new ... t4t5d5li51
Jon Gruden contract: What Raiders coach's resignation means for future salary, guarantees

IMO, this is the only part of the article that really matters: "Gruden and the Raiders are working on a settlement package in wake of his resignation. However, they haven't come to an agreement on a settlement yet.

"It’s unresolved," an anonymous source told USA TODAY Sports."

Bottom line? No one knows yet.

My assumption is that despite the public announcement, the contract remains in effect until it is officially severed, meaning the Raiders still owe him $60M. That means that whether he performs any more work for the Raiders or not, Gruden will continue to get paid until an agreement is reached. And the agreement to sever the contract will certainly result in tens of millions of dollars being paid to Gruden.

We'll see. I think he may get paid for the year, beyond that, I don't think he'll get paid. If he in fact, resigned. We'll see if he's full of it in all aspects of life, as he said he wouldn't take money from them if he wasn't getting the job done, in regards to if it wasn't working out and he wasn't performing adequately, at is intro presser, I believe.

[Shankopotamus]

Some of you understand that you are unintentionally asking to unravel the game that we all love, right?

Football is a violent sport. It’s already in the crosshairs of some because of its blatant masculinity. NFL football is the elite level of what is designed to be adversarial and a controlled violence subculture. This is a male culture of overt dominance over one’s opponent.

It’s also almost the perfect team sport. All 11 players on each side of the ball have to function at that elite level and weak links are ruthlessly exposed and exploited. Male bonding and locker room banter are part of the essentials that make the game work and form critical deep bonds that otherwise would not exist in most parts of our society.

There’s a culture that is required to make this sport function. It’s alpha male dominance oriented. No one should be excusing Gruden’s behavior - he’s clearly a throwback to the 70s and never evolved, but got by on his gregarious charm in the public’s eye that went along with his expertise at understanding the intricacies of football theory and being able to manage multi-millionaire delinquents. But if football - and the NFL is the top of that pyramid - is going to survive and thrive, there has to be an understanding that this is explicitly an alpha male sport and culture that lionizes the studs and grinds over the flawed. It’s a fundamental part of what makes the game work, and what makes it loved by so many while simultaneously so despised by some. If this game is going to survive in this day and age, there is going to have to be some concession and admission to what can only be described as dominant maleness - and there’s nothing wrong with that in what should be a tolerant and inclusive society.

This is just an awful post, and I'm trying to hold back.

There's nothing about being a good football player that goes hand-in-hand with being a racist, sexist, homophobic a$$hole - and if you're excusing this type of behavior / language because you think it's a necessary mindset to be a great football player, then I'm guessing you don't really disagree with that line of thinking in the first place.

As others have said, it's pretty easy to go through life without being a homophobe, without using derogatory / defaming language when describing people of different color, gender, and sexual orientation.

And who cares if this audit leads to half the coaches losing their jobs (which I doubt would happen)? If you're a racist, sexist, homophobic a$$hole, guess what - you don't get to coach in the NFL.

And as others have said (again), this isn't cancel culture. This is called accountability and consequences. Considering he was coaching a team mostly full of black people (and ironically enough, the only openly gay player in the NFL currently), and he's on record with racist and anti-gay remarks, he's not fit to lead any NFL locker room, especially not the Las Vegas Raiders.

I'd be willing to be 80+% of NFL players and coaches have been or made remarks that are sexist, homophobic, and or racist. Not saying it's right, but it is what it is.