Tim Tebow Thread: To the Jags TE Convert

[melish1631]

I'm gonna say something like this:

That's great...is that Marcus Gilbert in the background???

[49ersFaithful80]

Put me in the "I'll believe when I see it" category as far as Tebow being the week 1 starter.
Doesn't anyone find it curious that Elway would come out and say this? Wasn't Elway the guy that has basically bashed Tebow from the first day he was hired? That he wasn't sold on him as an NFL Starting QB? That he has so much work to do before he is ready to be the starter in Elways eyes? Do you think it's possible this is coming out because Elway was not able to draft a QB that could be considered "His Guy"? I think if Denver was able to draft one of the coveted QB's in the draft, Tebow would almost already be on the trade block.

Never mind the fact that the Broncos still have Orton who has been very productive in his 2 seasons in Denver and that the new HC came out and said that orton was his starting QB.

Don't get me wrong... I love Tebow and I do believe in his talents and always have, but I think Elway is trying to cover his Arse with the questionable draft that he had. I thinks it's very silly of him to anoint Tebow the starter before any football activities have started.

Several issues w/ this post...First of all, the whole "Elway doesn't like Tebow thing" was absolutely speculation and creation by the media. Go back and read his actual quotes. What he was saying was what every coach/GM/personel guy should say in his situation - giving respect to the veteran QB, while making it very clear that Tebow is a work in progress and will need time to develop into a good starting QB. That isn't bashing, it's keeping your rookie star grounded & not alienating your veteran QB or killing his trade value.

Why is it so confusing? Put yourself in their situation - 1 of 2 things is going to happen. Either they find a suitor for Orton and want to get maximum value in a trade, or they will hang onto Orton to help Tebow develop & be a safety net. Elway still hasn't said Tebow will absolutely start to open the season, he's saying he's going to compete for the starting job.

Lastly, I think you may be in the very small minority that think the Broncos had a questionable draft. The only thing they didn't do in the draft was fill the need at DT, but most likely would have a plan through Free Agency. Other than that, they absolutely nailed the draft & everything I've read or heard says the same.

Well duh, what the media has written/created is the only information we can base our opinion on, right? Obviously you are tight with Elway and Fox so you know better. Good for you! and maybe the statements from Elway are misconstrued or are taken out of context, but something has to be said in order for any of that to happen. Where there's smoke, usually there's fire. So let me ask, since you know, are Elway and Fox on the same page? Obviously Fox has said that Orton is his starter and Elway is basically being wish washy again.( Don't forget, this posting started with a link to a tweet by Elway (I'm assuming) saying Tebow will be the starter.)

Most GM's, HC's or other team employees should come out and either stand behind their guy or not. Elway has been nothing but Wishy-Washy on Tebow since he was hired. If he thinks he can be a starter in the NFL, then he should've said so front and center from day 1. But he did not do that. I think he is trying to distance himself from McDaniels and protecting his Arse in case Tebow doesn't work out. But, I truly believe that Elway doesn't have faith in the guy. Nothing but a gut feeling.

If you think he has said what he has said so he doesn't alienate his veteran QB, that is ridiculous. I think Orton knows what's going on better than anyone, he's been around long enough. I don't think he needs anyone to sugarcoat anything for him. I'm sure he knows, all he needs to do to win the starting job is to win it "On The Field. You aren't giving him any credit if you think that.

As for "why is it confusing", if you believe any of that has anything to do with Orton's trade value or lack thereof, that's crazy. Other teams know exactly what Orton can and cannot do. They know exactly what they are getting and what they'd have to pay for him if they want to trade for him. Personally, I can't see the Bronco's trading him until Tebow is set as a starter. Why would they risk trading away their insurance policy before they know what they have.

As far as the draft they have had, every report card I have read has given them no better than a "C". Maybe that's fair, maybe that's not, but again, reading these articles by Pundits, that are supposed to know more than us, is basically all the info we can read into, right? I love to watch the draft, butI will be the first to tell you that I don't know all of the players like i used to, so maybe I'm wrong and maybe we are not reading the same things. Or maybe you are just so much smarter than me (since you are tight with Elway)... or could it be we just have a difference of opinion.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I hope Tebow does start and become a star. I've thought he would even before he was drafted last year. I am also an Orton fan and think he will be a very good QB wherever he plays.

I have no idea how you don't see why the Broncos have to atleast act like Orton has a good chance of starting. It's not as simple as teams "knowing exactly what their getting". If the broncos hold onto Orton until Tebow is set as a starter, then Orton Loses TONS of trade value. Orton has a monster salary this upcoming season, a salary way too high for a backup QB. So if the broncos name Tebow the starter, other teams will know the broncos don't wont to pay out that salary, and thus the pressure is now on the broncos to move Orton. It's all about leverage and that's why Elway hasn't come out and clearly declared anything

or just think about it in extremely simple terms, who do you value more? someone that another team still wants? or someone that another team is moving on without?

[BeRanDone]

I have no idea how you don't see why the Broncos have to atleast act like Orton has a good chance of starting. It's not as simple as teams "knowing exactly what their getting". If the broncos hold onto Orton until Tebow is set as a starter, then Orton Loses TONS of trade value. Orton has a monster salary this upcoming season, a salary way too high for a backup QB. So if the broncos name Tebow the starter, other teams will know the broncos don't wont to pay out that salary, and thus the pressure is now on the broncos to move Orton. It's all about leverage and that's why Elway hasn't come out and clearly declared anything

or just think about it in extremely simple terms, who do you value more? someone that another team still wants? or someone that another team is moving on without?

Yep, leverage is the key here. If the Broncos basically say that Orton has no value as a starter anymore, no one is going to give them starter value in a trade. They'll just wait for the Broncos to get desperate and take what they can get or just wait for him to be cut and pick him up then.

[yumbo]

Several issues w/ this post...First of all, the whole "Elway doesn't like Tebow thing" was absolutely speculation and creation by the media. Go back and read his actual quotes. What he was saying was what every coach/GM/personel guy should say in his situation - giving respect to the veteran QB, while making it very clear that Tebow is a work in progress and will need time to develop into a good starting QB. That isn't bashing, it's keeping your rookie star grounded & not alienating your veteran QB or killing his trade value.

Why is it so confusing? Put yourself in their situation - 1 of 2 things is going to happen. Either they find a suitor for Orton and want to get maximum value in a trade, or they will hang onto Orton to help Tebow develop & be a safety net. Elway still hasn't said Tebow will absolutely start to open the season, he's saying he's going to compete for the starting job.

Lastly, I think you may be in the very small minority that think the Broncos had a questionable draft. The only thing they didn't do in the draft was fill the need at DT, but most likely would have a plan through Free Agency. Other than that, they absolutely nailed the draft & everything I've read or heard says the same.

Well duh, what the media has written/created is the only information we can base our opinion on, right? Obviously you are tight with Elway and Fox so you know better. Good for you! and maybe the statements from Elway are misconstrued or are taken out of context, but something has to be said in order for any of that to happen. Where there's smoke, usually there's fire. So let me ask, since you know, are Elway and Fox on the same page? Obviously Fox has said that Orton is his starter and Elway is basically being wish washy again.( Don't forget, this posting started with a link to a tweet by Elway (I'm assuming) saying Tebow will be the starter.)

Most GM's, HC's or other team employees should come out and either stand behind their guy or not. Elway has been nothing but Wishy-Washy on Tebow since he was hired. If he thinks he can be a starter in the NFL, then he should've said so front and center from day 1. But he did not do that. I think he is trying to distance himself from McDaniels and protecting his Arse in case Tebow doesn't work out. But, I truly believe that Elway doesn't have faith in the guy. Nothing but a gut feeling.

If you think he has said what he has said so he doesn't alienate his veteran QB, that is ridiculous. I think Orton knows what's going on better than anyone, he's been around long enough. I don't think he needs anyone to sugarcoat anything for him. I'm sure he knows, all he needs to do to win the starting job is to win it "On The Field. You aren't giving him any credit if you think that.

As for "why is it confusing", if you believe any of that has anything to do with Orton's trade value or lack thereof, that's crazy. Other teams know exactly what Orton can and cannot do. They know exactly what they are getting and what they'd have to pay for him if they want to trade for him. Personally, I can't see the Bronco's trading him until Tebow is set as a starter. Why would they risk trading away their insurance policy before they know what they have.

As far as the draft they have had, every report card I have read has given them no better than a "C". Maybe that's fair, maybe that's not, but again, reading these articles by Pundits, that are supposed to know more than us, is basically all the info we can read into, right? I love to watch the draft, butI will be the first to tell you that I don't know all of the players like i used to, so maybe I'm wrong and maybe we are not reading the same things. Or maybe you are just so much smarter than me (since you are tight with Elway)... or could it be we just have a difference of opinion.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I hope Tebow does start and become a star. I've thought he would even before he was drafted last year. I am also an Orton fan and think he will be a very good QB wherever he plays.

I have no idea how you don't see why the Broncos have to atleast act like Orton has a good chance of starting. It's not as simple as teams "knowing exactly what their getting". If the broncos hold onto Orton until Tebow is set as a starter, then Orton Loses TONS of trade value. Orton has a monster salary this upcoming season, a salary way too high for a backup QB. So if the broncos name Tebow the starter, other teams will know the broncos don't wont to pay out that salary, and thus the pressure is now on the broncos to move Orton. It's all about leverage and that's why Elway hasn't come out and clearly declared anything

or just think about it in extremely simple terms, who do you value more? someone that another team still wants? or someone that another team is moving on without?

I still don't see the Broncos trading Orton until they are sure that Tebow is good enough to start. However, I don't necessarily agree that the Broncos don't want Orton. They may trade him if they get blown away with an offer, but the will not trade him just to trade him. IMO

[Shawn]

New reports have Tebow possibly losing the #2 QB gig to the original Merlin mancrush Brady Quinn, What do we think now about Tebow's dynasty future???

From Profootballtalk:
With the question of whether Tim Tebow will be the starting quarterback for the Broncos in 2011 now settled (he won’t be), the next question becomes whether Tebow will hold the No. 2 position behind Kyle Orton.

Tebow possibly won’t.

Mike Klis of the Denver Post reports that, since the preseason opener, Quinn has been taking as many second-team reps as Tebow. Lately, Quinn has been taking second-team reps before Tebow. At a walk-through in advance of Saturday night’s game, Orton ran the “first-half” offense and Quinn led the “second-half offense.”

Quinn has even been taking some snaps with the first-team red zone offense.

Coach John Fox hasn’t said who’ll replace Orton in the second preseason game on Saturday night against the Bills. “That will be a game-time decision,” Fox said. “From a competitive standpoint, we can talk about that after the game, not before the game.”

It’s unclear how the locals will react if Tebow slides behind Quinn. The bigger question is whether and to what extent the Broncos will clamor for Tebow if/when the Broncos slide out of contention under Orton.

At some point, the Broncos need to see what Tebow can do, because at some point the fans will demand it.

[MrUbuto]

it doesnt change much for me really. I still like teabow long term always have. I didn't expect him to start any games this year (barring injuries).

if your a teabow owner and he's your QB2 you have some issues this year lol

[Madtoker]

it doesnt change much for me really. I still like teabow long term always have. I didn't expect him to start any games this year (barring injuries).

if your a teabow owner and he's your QB2 you have some issues this year lol

You got issues if you own him

[kris_kapsner]

Yes, Tebow has lost a ton of value in just a couple short months. Heck, a month? Right before training camp started, the starting QB job in Denver was Tebow's and Denver was trying to unload Orton to Miami. The two sides were one round apart in their negotiations with Orton for a draft pick. Now, Tebow may be QB3 in Denver. So, he's definitely lost value.

[Risky bidness]

What value? He never had much value IMO.

[Misfit74]

"Tebow losing value?"

Never had it.

[Guppy CEO]

i'll never understand the hype around all these QBs that can run but have trouble hitting the broadside of a barn throwing. gimmick QBs are great in college, but are disasters in the nfl.

[SpeedKills4914]

He didn't have THAT high value anyway... but what little he had, he's lost.

But then, it IS Brady Quinn who's potentially taking that value away, so we'll see.

[Madtoker]

He didn't have THAT high value anyway... but what little he had, he's lost.

But then, it IS Brady Quinn who's potentially taking that value away, so we'll see.

That's what makes it sad....It's BRADY QUINN!!

[SpeedKills4914]

He didn't have THAT high value anyway... but what little he had, he's lost.

But then, it IS Brady Quinn who's potentially taking that value away, so we'll see.

That's what makes it sad....It's BRADY QUINN!!

There's always the possibility of Quinn making a re-emergence.

Not.

[MrUbuto]

he still has long term value to me.