He had a high grade on him. Right there with Dynami and Eskridge. WTH happened here? I liked him a lot.
The 2021 NFL Draft Thread - Reactions, Analysis & Grumblings!!
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Re: The 2021 NFL Draft Thread - Reactions, Analysis & Grumblings!!
D3:
QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL
D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin, Murray WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT
Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Singletary, Mostert, BRob, Warren, Rodriguez, Spiller WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Myers, Reynold, Jones TE—Kmet, Likely, Kraft, Conklin, Hurst, Hudson PK—Elliott DEF—PHI
Superflex 2:
QB: Goff, Cousins, Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: DJM, Higgins, JSN, Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, PCampbell, DPJ, ATP, Hutchinson, Iosivas, Devante, CJones TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble
QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL
D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin, Murray WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT
Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Singletary, Mostert, BRob, Warren, Rodriguez, Spiller WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Myers, Reynold, Jones TE—Kmet, Likely, Kraft, Conklin, Hurst, Hudson PK—Elliott DEF—PHI
Superflex 2:
QB: Goff, Cousins, Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: DJM, Higgins, JSN, Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, PCampbell, DPJ, ATP, Hutchinson, Iosivas, Devante, CJones TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble
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Re: The 2021 NFL Draft Thread - Reactions, Analysis & Grumblings!!
Top 5 ypc for RBs in 2020 were 1. Dobbins (134/6.0) 2. Chubb (190/5.6) 3. Jones (201/5.5) 4. Henry (378/5.4) 5. Sanders (164/5.3)OhCruelestRanter wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 2:54 pmChubb averaged more YPC and was second in the league in rushing DVOA despite handling more carries.MFundercover wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 2:46 pm Sanders literally matched Chubb on the ground in terms of efficiency last season. His target share isn't going to totally evaporate here.
Sanders is good, but he doesn’t have the skill set to be a RB1 without significant receiving work. This isn’t some damning criticism, it’s true of most RBs. I listed Henry and Chubb because I think they’re exceptions.
I’m not panic-selling Sanders or anything, but I think pretending like this doesn’t matter is short-sighted.
Not saying hes a better runner than Chubb and Henry, but he looked a lot better on the ground in 2020 than people have been giving him credit for and it shows in the stats. I wasn't trying to sell Sanders as being a top 6 RB but low RB1/high RB2 is fair. Gainwell is a great receiver but I dont think Sanders targets evaporate to the point I'd fade him to a low rb2.
Not trying to start an argument or anything. Just my 2 cents.
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Yeah, and I don’t think Sanders is bad on the ground. He’s good!MFundercover wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 4:25 pmTop 5 ypc for RBs in 2020 were 1. Dobbins (134/6.0) 2. Chubb (190/5.6) 3. Jones (201/5.5) 4. Henry (378/5.4) 5. Sanders (164/5.3)OhCruelestRanter wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 2:54 pmChubb averaged more YPC and was second in the league in rushing DVOA despite handling more carries.MFundercover wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 2:46 pm Sanders literally matched Chubb on the ground in terms of efficiency last season. His target share isn't going to totally evaporate here.
Sanders is good, but he doesn’t have the skill set to be a RB1 without significant receiving work. This isn’t some damning criticism, it’s true of most RBs. I listed Henry and Chubb because I think they’re exceptions.
I’m not panic-selling Sanders or anything, but I think pretending like this doesn’t matter is short-sighted.
Not saying hes a better runner than Chubb and Henry, but he looked a lot better on the ground in 2020 than people have been giving him credit for and it shows in the stats. I wasn't trying to sell Sanders as being a top 6 RB but low RB1/high RB2 is fair. Gainwell is a great receiver but I dont think Sanders targets evaporate to the point I'd fade him to a low rb2.
Not trying to start an argument or anything. Just my 2 cents.
I just don’t think he can maintain that efficiency over the number of carries that he would need in order to compensate for losing receiving work.
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Re: The 2021 NFL Draft Thread - Reactions, Analysis & Grumblings!!
Haha! I know the meaningMFundercover wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 11:43 amI dont think you know what that phrase means. But yes I'm coming for an angle of a disgruntled Jrob bagholder. Still right though.Cherokee wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:21 amSour grapesMFundercover wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:14 pm Jaguars could have picked Carter or Gainwell at 4.01 and had just as good a backfield, plus a 1st round db or edge.
Sour Grapes: A negative attitude adopted towards something that one cannot have for themselves
As in the Fantasy RB in Jax.
12 Team 1QB IDP Full PPR Start 8
QB- Kenny Pickett, Jake Haener, Clayton Tune
RB- Jerrick McKinnon, Elijah Mitchell, Gus Edwards, Kenneth Gainwell, TDP, Jordan Mason
WR- Rondale Moore, Drake London, Jordan Addison, Terrence Marshall , Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave, Mecole Hardman, Rashid Shaheed, David Bell
TE- Michael Mayer, Likely, Chig, Cade Otten
LB- Jewell, Deablo, Troy Anderson
DE- Phillips, Highsmith
DB- Brisker, Hufanga, Cine
Taxi Squad: Chase Brown, A.T. Perry, Keaton Mitchell, Khalan Laborn, Lew Nichols lll
QB- Kenny Pickett, Jake Haener, Clayton Tune
RB- Jerrick McKinnon, Elijah Mitchell, Gus Edwards, Kenneth Gainwell, TDP, Jordan Mason
WR- Rondale Moore, Drake London, Jordan Addison, Terrence Marshall , Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave, Mecole Hardman, Rashid Shaheed, David Bell
TE- Michael Mayer, Likely, Chig, Cade Otten
LB- Jewell, Deablo, Troy Anderson
DE- Phillips, Highsmith
DB- Brisker, Hufanga, Cine
Taxi Squad: Chase Brown, A.T. Perry, Keaton Mitchell, Khalan Laborn, Lew Nichols lll
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Sour grapes would be me saying the Jacksonville backfield wouldn't be good for fantasy to begin with, and that I didn't really want it in the first place.Cherokee wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 5:43 pmHaha! I know the meaningMFundercover wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 11:43 amI dont think you know what that phrase means. But yes I'm coming for an angle of a disgruntled Jrob bagholder. Still right though.
Sour Grapes: A negative attitude adopted towards something that one cannot have for themselves
As in the Fantasy RB in Jax.
"The grapes are probably sour anyway." = "Jacksonville is bad for fantasy anyway."
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Yup, been thinking the differences in SF pick values are huge this year. Lawrence being the 1.09ish says more about what's after Pitts, the top few WR and 3-4 RB to me. After that it just feels like a decent drop to WR like Marshall, Bateman, E. Moore and then and even bigger drop to more QB, WR under 5'10 and day 3 RBkiller_of_giants wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 6:44 amin 1QB leagues, late 1sts feel really underwhelming.
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I was thinking the same thing. I love players in the 6-10 range but outside the first, IDK about depth. Feels like late 2nd is weak, and 3rd/4th are ALL fliers. I may actually move my later picks to try and get back into the 1st.
D3:
QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL
D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin, Murray WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT
Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Singletary, Mostert, BRob, Warren, Rodriguez, Spiller WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Myers, Reynold, Jones TE—Kmet, Likely, Kraft, Conklin, Hurst, Hudson PK—Elliott DEF—PHI
Superflex 2:
QB: Goff, Cousins, Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: DJM, Higgins, JSN, Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, PCampbell, DPJ, ATP, Hutchinson, Iosivas, Devante, CJones TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble
QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL
D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin, Murray WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT
Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Singletary, Mostert, BRob, Warren, Rodriguez, Spiller WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Myers, Reynold, Jones TE—Kmet, Likely, Kraft, Conklin, Hurst, Hudson PK—Elliott DEF—PHI
Superflex 2:
QB: Goff, Cousins, Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: DJM, Higgins, JSN, Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, PCampbell, DPJ, ATP, Hutchinson, Iosivas, Devante, CJones TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble
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In my rankings, its almost exactly an average class from pick 9 through 3.11. My 6 through 8 are higher than ave. 1 is lower than ave. 2 through 5 are basically right on average
2021-Orphan Rebuild, 12tm PPR, SF, 1.75 TE Prem
2 SF, 8 Flex
QB: Mayfield, Z Wilson, D Jones, Heinicke, Rudolph, Foles
RB: Herbert, Felton, Evans, Nwangwu, Calais
WR: D Smith, Waddle, Chark, J Palmer, D P-J, Raymond, Washington, Jauan, Darden, Fehoko, Smith-Marsette, C Johnson, Proche, Shi Smith, A Tate, ESB, JJAW
TE: O'Shaughnessy, Moreau, Granson, Tyree J, Hu Bryant, Hopkins, Fortson
2022 Picks: 1.01, 1.04, 1.11, 2.01, 2.09, and 3.02
2023 Picks: six 1sts, my 2nd
2021-Orphan Rebuild, 16tm PPR, SF, 1.5pr TE, DEVY:
1 QB, 1 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 SF, 3 Flex
Draft is rookies and devy (only 2022 NFL eligible)
QB: Tua, Fields, Brissett, Foles, Purdy(D), T Morgan(D)
RB: Etienne, Gainwell, Homer, T Jones, J Hill, Ragas, Sargent, Calais, Funk,
WR: Cephus, Nico, J Palmer, Gage, Quez, P Williams, JJAW, Strachan, Proche, Lil'Jordan, Shi Smith, Fryfogle(D)
TE: Moreau, Maxx, H Long, RSJ, Tyree J
2022 Picks: 1.02, 2.02, 2.12, 3.02, 3.07, 3.10, 3.11, 3.12, 3.15, 4.01, 4.02, 4.05, 4.07, 4.12, 4.15
2 SF, 8 Flex
QB: Mayfield, Z Wilson, D Jones, Heinicke, Rudolph, Foles
RB: Herbert, Felton, Evans, Nwangwu, Calais
WR: D Smith, Waddle, Chark, J Palmer, D P-J, Raymond, Washington, Jauan, Darden, Fehoko, Smith-Marsette, C Johnson, Proche, Shi Smith, A Tate, ESB, JJAW
TE: O'Shaughnessy, Moreau, Granson, Tyree J, Hu Bryant, Hopkins, Fortson
2022 Picks: 1.01, 1.04, 1.11, 2.01, 2.09, and 3.02
2023 Picks: six 1sts, my 2nd
2021-Orphan Rebuild, 16tm PPR, SF, 1.5pr TE, DEVY:
1 QB, 1 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 SF, 3 Flex
Draft is rookies and devy (only 2022 NFL eligible)
QB: Tua, Fields, Brissett, Foles, Purdy(D), T Morgan(D)
RB: Etienne, Gainwell, Homer, T Jones, J Hill, Ragas, Sargent, Calais, Funk,
WR: Cephus, Nico, J Palmer, Gage, Quez, P Williams, JJAW, Strachan, Proche, Lil'Jordan, Shi Smith, Fryfogle(D)
TE: Moreau, Maxx, H Long, RSJ, Tyree J
2022 Picks: 1.02, 2.02, 2.12, 3.02, 3.07, 3.10, 3.11, 3.12, 3.15, 4.01, 4.02, 4.05, 4.07, 4.12, 4.15
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