Final 2021 Rookie RB Rankings -- Pre & Post NFL Draft (UPDATED 5/2)

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Re: Final 2021 Rookie RB Rankings -- Pre & Post NFL Draft (UPDATED 5/2)

Postby Anteaters » Mon May 17, 2021 9:55 am

Patsfan86 wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 9:04 am Got Javonte Williams at the 1.05 yesterday. What do we all think of him here? Are these Rodgers rumors all smoke with no fire?
I got Javonte yesterday too, along with Etienne. I like reading these threads. Well, at least the good things here, so they can make me feel better about these RBs for 2021.

Personally, I don't think Rodgers is headed to Denver. GB doesn't want to trade him and won't do so unless they receive a huge overpay. I'd love to see Aaron there because it would probably enhance Javonte's production. Fingers crossed.
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RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilliams, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
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RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
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Re: Final 2021 Rookie RB Rankings -- Pre & Post NFL Draft (UPDATED 5/2)

Postby yinzername » Mon May 17, 2021 10:00 am

Patsfan86 wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 9:04 am Got Javonte Williams at the 1.05 yesterday. What do we all think of him here? Are these Rodgers rumors all smoke with no fire?
1qb obvi. Depending on your league’s tendencies (draft rb heavy) and PPRness, i’d guess it’s fine. Personally in PPRish ranks i have him ranked 7 overall of the non QB positions.

I’m interested to know where Sermon and Carter went in relation to the WRs…
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Re: Final 2021 Rookie RB Rankings -- Pre & Post NFL Draft (UPDATED 5/2)

Postby Anteaters » Mon May 17, 2021 10:27 am

realmacaroni wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 10:00 am
Patsfan86 wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 9:04 am Got Javonte Williams at the 1.05 yesterday. What do we all think of him here? Are these Rodgers rumors all smoke with no fire?
1qb obvi. Depending on your league’s tendencies (draft rb heavy) and PPRness, i’d guess it’s fine. Personally in PPRish ranks i have him ranked 7 overall of the non QB positions.

I’m interested to know where Sermon and Carter went in relation to the WRs…
In my Sunday draft, Sermon was the 10th rookie drafted and Carter was the 14th.
Chase 2nd, Pitts 4th, DSmith 5th, Waddle 7th, Marshall 9th, Bateman 11th, Moore 12th.
TEAM 1:
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilliams, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
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TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
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Re: Final 2021 Rookie RB Rankings -- Pre & Post NFL Draft (UPDATED 5/2)

Postby jcc6fd » Thu May 20, 2021 9:20 am

Anteaters wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 10:27 am
realmacaroni wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 10:00 am
Patsfan86 wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 9:04 am Got Javonte Williams at the 1.05 yesterday. What do we all think of him here? Are these Rodgers rumors all smoke with no fire?
1qb obvi. Depending on your league’s tendencies (draft rb heavy) and PPRness, i’d guess it’s fine. Personally in PPRish ranks i have him ranked 7 overall of the non QB positions.

I’m interested to know where Sermon and Carter went in relation to the WRs…
In my Sunday draft, Sermon was the 10th rookie drafted and Carter was the 14th.
Chase 2nd, Pitts 4th, DSmith 5th, Waddle 7th, Marshall 9th, Bateman 11th, Moore 12th.
In a 1QB PPR league Williams at 1.05 is pretty standard. So regardless of Rodgers situation you paid market value. If Rodgers were to come to Denver then Williams value would increase substantially so if you feel like it's a real possibility that he's traded then Williams might be a shrewd investment.

Sermon's ADP is 8 per Mizelle and Carter is 14 so neither of those picks surprise me. Marshall going above Bateman is interesting.
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Re: Final 2021 Rookie RB Rankings -- Pre & Post NFL Draft (UPDATED 5/2)

Postby MEuRaH » Thu May 20, 2021 10:15 am

jcc6fd wrote: Thu May 20, 2021 9:20 amSermon's ADP is 8 per Mizelle and Carter is 14 so neither of those picks surprise me. Marshall going above Bateman is interesting.
8? Oh my.

I wonder if people really think Serman will amount to anything in SF, or if people are so desperate at RB and there's nobody else to take that Serman sounds like a good choice. Or both.

I like the kid and I think he's going to do just fine with his role in the offense, but I only see him doing the Tevin Coleman type runs and stats at best. I don't love his outlook short or long term. He'll be a good flex with some RB2 upside for some weeks, but that's all I can see him doing.
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Re: Final 2021 Rookie RB Rankings -- Pre & Post NFL Draft (UPDATED 5/2)

Postby Patsfan86 » Thu May 20, 2021 12:38 pm

realmacaroni wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 10:00 am
Patsfan86 wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 9:04 am Got Javonte Williams at the 1.05 yesterday. What do we all think of him here? Are these Rodgers rumors all smoke with no fire?
1qb obvi. Depending on your league’s tendencies (draft rb heavy) and PPRness, i’d guess it’s fine. Personally in PPRish ranks i have him ranked 7 overall of the non QB positions.

I’m interested to know where Sermon and Carter went in relation to the WRs…
Ya 1 QB, this league is always RB heavy so Williams at 1.05 wasnt a sure thing, Chase went a pick before him for instance due to this league just devaluing the position in general. Sermon went at 1.11 and Carter went at 2.04

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Re: Final 2021 Rookie RB Rankings -- Pre & Post NFL Draft (UPDATED 5/2)

Postby murphysxm » Thu May 20, 2021 12:43 pm

Trey Sermon is this year's KeShawn Vaughn
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Re: Final 2021 Rookie RB Rankings -- Pre & Post NFL Draft (UPDATED 5/2)

Postby YouMightDieTryin » Thu May 20, 2021 12:45 pm

murphysxm wrote: Thu May 20, 2021 12:43 pm Trey Sermon is this year's KeShawn Vaughn
Bold and beautiful. There's always one pole-vaulter. Sermon might just be the one this year.
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Re: Final 2021 Rookie RB Rankings -- Pre & Post NFL Draft (UPDATED 5/2)

Postby Bronco Billy » Thu May 20, 2021 1:05 pm

realmacaroni wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 10:00 am
Patsfan86 wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 9:04 am Got Javonte Williams at the 1.05 yesterday. What do we all think of him here? Are these Rodgers rumors all smoke with no fire?
1qb obvi. Depending on your league’s tendencies (draft rb heavy) and PPRness, i’d guess it’s fine. Personally in PPRish ranks i have him ranked 7 overall of the non QB positions.

I’m interested to know where Sermon and Carter went in relation to the WRs…
In our draft (14 teams) Carter went 1.11 after 4 WRs were gone and Sermon went 2.02 after 6 WRs were off the board.

Carter going there opened some eyes, but it was the league champ who traded into the pick and drafted him, and the champ has a strong track record of having his reaches pay off. Sermon seemed about right, but I would have taken E Moore ahead of him, and instead Moore went immediately after.

1.08 for Sermon in any FF draft seems more of a reach to me than Carter at 1.11 was.

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Postby OhCruelestRanter » Thu May 20, 2021 1:10 pm

murphysxm wrote: Thu May 20, 2021 12:43 pm Trey Sermon is this year's KeShawn Vaughn
I swear I almost posted this but then I remembered Vaughn was a decent athlete.

I don’t think they’re remotely similar players, but if you’re talking specifically about somebody going earlier than they should just because they’re a RB taken on day 2, then yeah.

He went ahead of Bateman in my first rookie draft this off-season. SF, he went after all 5 QBs, the other 3 RBs, Pitts, Chase, Devonta, and Waddle. Ahead of Bateman, the Moores, etc.
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Re: Final 2021 Rookie RB Rankings -- Pre & Post NFL Draft (UPDATED 5/2)

Postby esloan35 » Thu May 20, 2021 8:59 pm

murphysxm wrote: Thu May 20, 2021 12:43 pm Trey Sermon is this year's KeShawn Vaughn
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Re: Final 2021 Rookie RB Rankings -- Pre & Post NFL Draft (UPDATED 5/2)

Postby Anteaters » Fri May 21, 2021 3:24 am

jcc6fd wrote: Thu May 20, 2021 9:20 am
Anteaters wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 10:27 am
realmacaroni wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 10:00 am

1qb obvi. Depending on your league’s tendencies (draft rb heavy) and PPRness, i’d guess it’s fine. Personally in PPRish ranks i have him ranked 7 overall of the non QB positions.

I’m interested to know where Sermon and Carter went in relation to the WRs…
In my Sunday draft, Sermon was the 10th rookie drafted and Carter was the 14th.
Chase 2nd, Pitts 4th, DSmith 5th, Waddle 7th, Marshall 9th, Bateman 11th, Moore 12th.
In a 1QB PPR league Williams at 1.05 is pretty standard. So regardless of Rodgers situation you paid market value. If Rodgers were to come to Denver then Williams value would increase substantially so if you feel like it's a real possibility that he's traded then Williams might be a shrewd investment.

Sermon's ADP is 8 per Mizelle and Carter is 14 so neither of those picks surprise me. Marshall going above Bateman is interesting.
The guy who chose Marshall is a HUGE Carolina Panthers fan and has about 5 of their players on his roster. That probably had something to do with it.
TEAM 1:
12 Team ppr w/20 keepers - start 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE 1FLX 6IDP 1DEF
QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilliams, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
2023 & 2022 Champion: 2020 third place: 2019 Champion

TEAM 2:
14 Team 30roster SF/ppr/TEP - QB/RB/WR/TE/5FLX/SF
QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
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Re: Final 2021 Rookie RB Rankings -- Pre & Post NFL Draft (UPDATED 5/2)

Postby CubfanAA » Fri May 21, 2021 5:16 am

dlf_mikeh wrote: Thu May 20, 2021 10:15 am
jcc6fd wrote: Thu May 20, 2021 9:20 amSermon's ADP is 8 per Mizelle and Carter is 14 so neither of those picks surprise me. Marshall going above Bateman is interesting.
8? Oh my.

I wonder if people really think Serman will amount to anything in SF, or if people are so desperate at RB and there's nobody else to take that Serman sounds like a good choice. Or both.

I like the kid and I think he's going to do just fine with his role in the offense, but I only see him doing the Tevin Coleman type runs and stats at best. I don't love his outlook short or long term. He'll be a good flex with some RB2 upside for some weeks, but that's all I can see him doing.
I really don't understand the thinking here. Pre-draft you had him rated as the 4th best RB and a 2-10 year starter. He gets drafted early by a team that traded up to draft him that also happens to be a team that runs an offense he studied in order to get ready for transferring to Ohio St. He is in essentially the exact offensive system he wanted to be in which also happens to be one of the best offensive systems in the NFL for rushing and also happens to not have an entrenched starter with high draft capital and nobody else signed past this year....Very good player goes to absolutely great spot and now you have lowered your rating on him??? I'm just a little confused on how that could be the case and equally confused by the people comparing him to Vaughn now...

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Re: Final 2021 Rookie RB Rankings -- Pre & Post NFL Draft (UPDATED 5/2)

Postby Anteaters » Fri May 21, 2021 5:33 am

From a fantasy perspective, I think Sermon fits the Vaughn/Penny/Mack/ZMoss narrative. Not a top3 rookie RB talent, but talented RB is drafted by a team that doesn't really have a great RB1 option but does have multiple decent veteran options who have run reasonably well over the past 2 seasons. The hype starts that once (not if, but once) he wins the starting job, Vaughn/Sermon should (not could, but should) produce borderline RB1 stats and will be a sleeper pick that wins fantasy championships for his owners.

The problem is, Vaughn didn't win the starting job, he wasn't even good enough to be a Flex option, and by year's end was cut from over half the teams that drafted him. I think Sermon has a chance to be a good RB, but there's a very good chance he sees about the same usage as Vaughn last season. Maybe he does a little better and has a meh rookie season like Mack, but even Mack hasn't been a fantasy savior - and now that JT is in Indy, Mack has no chance.

I have hopes for Sermon and have my fingers crossed, but he's no more than a dart throw right now. I have more trust in guys definitely drafted because their teams plan for him to take over the RB1 job. No one in fantasy is a consistent contender betting on finding the next Robinson year after year.
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QB: Tua, Lamar, Levis
RB: Etienne, Pacheco, JavonteWms, JFord, CEH
WR: Lamb, JChase, Waddle, Pickens, MWilliams, Q Johnston
TE: Goedert, Friermuth
DEF: Cowboys, Ravens
IDP:(LB) Bolton, Greenlaw; (DE/DL) ZCollins, BJHill; (S/CB) Pitre, Bates, Witherspoon
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TEAM 2:
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QB: Tua, CJStroud, Carr, AOC, MWhite, Lock
RB: Etienne, Stevenson, GusE, AJD, Singletary, CEH, Spiller
WR: Amon-Ra, Kirk, Dell, Thielen, Gallup, Ch Jones
TE: Andrews, Waller, Taysom, Smythe, WMallory, JOliver
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Re: Final 2021 Rookie RB Rankings -- Pre & Post NFL Draft (UPDATED 5/2)

Postby Ice » Fri May 21, 2021 6:07 am

The difference between these two RB's is Sermon can actually play. The narrative is he is over drafted but on the 49's he may actually play better than a 1.8 rookie pick. He went to a great situation.

Mostert is in the last year of his contract entering his 7th season, started 8 games in his entire career, all last year, and has never had more than 137 carries in a season. 281 of his grand total of 282 carries in his 4+ years were at SF. In other words, Before the 49's he had 1 carry in his career dating back to 2015.

I get he plays hard when he is on the field but he is about done in SF.

Their other back is an un-drafted FA entering his 4th year from North Texas. Wilson has amassed a total of 219 carries in his career which includes 5 starts.

The stud that is their 3rd back is entering his 5th season with a total of 14 starts. Anyone who has studied Gallman already knows he is a journeyman quality RB.

Not much competition to keep Sermon on the sidelines. He may not be worth a 1.8 draft pick but based on the situation it sure doesn't look like a reach.

Think I mentioned it before but the situation sure reminds of the situation Akers walked into last year.

Sermon needs to prove the last 3 games at Ohio State prior to the championship game where he got hurt were no fluke. In one of those games he broke Eddie George's 25 year rushing record when he galloped for 331 yards on 29 carries.
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