I think for the most part you contradicted everyone’s points. Good job!OhCruelestRanter wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 7:38 am 1. Don’t overpay for your guy. You don’t know as much as you think you do. Emotional maturity is understanding that you don’t win or lose any extra if you have “your guy” on your team. Be dispassionate and just take the best player.
2. Think beyond a 2-3 year window. Yeah, it’s really hard to predict that far out, and people get hurt. I get it. But younger players hold their value for longer.
3. Almost every trade that happens in your league that you aren’t involved in hurts your team. Be active.
4. There are 1 or 2 guys in most leagues who are dumb enough to accept a bad offer, and if you don’t send it to them, somebody else will.
5. Unless you think an offer is extraordinarily in your favor, shop around before you take a deal.
6. It’s ok to sell low. Ask everybody who turned down offers last season for Sam Darnold in SuperFlex. Looking at you, Drew Lock.
7. People don’t shop their top of the line players nearly enough. Maybe in small lineup formats this is fine, but guys like Barkley, McCaffery, Kamara can land you more than they’re worth.
8. The higher yield drafting strategy is to
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TE: Njoku | Waller
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QB: Hurts | Fields | Mayfield
RB: Bijan | Saquon | Ford
WR: Chase | Jefferson | AJ Brown | Metcalf | Puka | Collins
TE: Pitts | Freieemuth
DL: T. Watt
LB: White
DB: Adams | Kearse | Stingley
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RB: Hall | Achane | Ekeler| Chubb | Kamara
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Yeah, can't get on board with most of this post. To each there own thoughSStory93 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:02 amI think for the most part you contradicted everyone’s points. Good job!OhCruelestRanter wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 7:38 am 1. Don’t overpay for your guy. You don’t know as much as you think you do. Emotional maturity is understanding that you don’t win or lose any extra if you have “your guy” on your team. Be dispassionate and just take the best player.
2. Think beyond a 2-3 year window. Yeah, it’s really hard to predict that far out, and people get hurt. I get it. But younger players hold their value for longer.
3. Almost every trade that happens in your league that you aren’t involved in hurts your team. Be active.
4. There are 1 or 2 guys in most leagues who are dumb enough to accept a bad offer, and if you don’t send it to them, somebody else will.
5. Unless you think an offer is extraordinarily in your favor, shop around before you take a deal.
6. It’s ok to sell low. Ask everybody who turned down offers last season for Sam Darnold in SuperFlex. Looking at you, Drew Lock.
7. People don’t shop their top of the line players nearly enough. Maybe in small lineup formats this is fine, but guys like Barkley, McCaffery, Kamara can land you more than they’re worth.
8. The higher yield drafting strategy is to
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Maybe he’s the one guy in the league dumb enough to accept the bad offer!murphysxm wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:08 amYeah, can't get on board with most of this post. To each there own thoughSStory93 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:02 amI think for the most part you contradicted everyone’s points. Good job!OhCruelestRanter wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 7:38 am 1. Don’t overpay for your guy. You don’t know as much as you think you do. Emotional maturity is understanding that you don’t win or lose any extra if you have “your guy” on your team. Be dispassionate and just take the best player.
2. Think beyond a 2-3 year window. Yeah, it’s really hard to predict that far out, and people get hurt. I get it. But younger players hold their value for longer.
3. Almost every trade that happens in your league that you aren’t involved in hurts your team. Be active.
4. There are 1 or 2 guys in most leagues who are dumb enough to accept a bad offer, and if you don’t send it to them, somebody else will.
5. Unless you think an offer is extraordinarily in your favor, shop around before you take a deal.
6. It’s ok to sell low. Ask everybody who turned down offers last season for Sam Darnold in SuperFlex. Looking at you, Drew Lock.
7. People don’t shop their top of the line players nearly enough. Maybe in small lineup formats this is fine, but guys like Barkley, McCaffery, Kamara can land you more than they’re worth.
8. The higher yield drafting strategy is to
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Everyone knows OCR loves starting offers, can't get enough of them.SoftwoodGrampian wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:20 amMaybe he’s the one guy in the league dumb enough to accept the bad offer!
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I think just two- get your guys and the 2-3 year window.SStory93 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:02 amI think for the most part you contradicted everyone’s points. Good job!OhCruelestRanter wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 7:38 am 1. Don’t overpay for your guy. You don’t know as much as you think you do. Emotional maturity is understanding that you don’t win or lose any extra if you have “your guy” on your team. Be dispassionate and just take the best player.
2. Think beyond a 2-3 year window. Yeah, it’s really hard to predict that far out, and people get hurt. I get it. But younger players hold their value for longer.
3. Almost every trade that happens in your league that you aren’t involved in hurts your team. Be active.
4. There are 1 or 2 guys in most leagues who are dumb enough to accept a bad offer, and if you don’t send it to them, somebody else will.
5. Unless you think an offer is extraordinarily in your favor, shop around before you take a deal.
6. It’s ok to sell low. Ask everybody who turned down offers last season for Sam Darnold in SuperFlex. Looking at you, Drew Lock.
7. People don’t shop their top of the line players nearly enough. Maybe in small lineup formats this is fine, but guys like Barkley, McCaffery, Kamara can land you more than they’re worth.
8. The higher yield drafting strategy is to
The idea that it’s important to “get your guys” is based on the flawed, largely emotionally driven premise that you will feel better when you lose with “your guys” than you will when you lose with “your guys” on another roster. That’s logically bankrupt. This game is a prognostic and negotiatory exercise; winning feels good, losing feels bad, and emotional attachment to a player who will never know that you exist is a weakness.
As for the 2-3 year window, people parrot this all the time but I don’t see anybody taking Julio Jones over DJ Moore. The problem with this philosophy is that it focuses on production but ignores value. I mean... Russel Gage is going to outproduce a 2023 1st over a 2-3 year window. You swapping your 2023 first for Gage?
Well at least we know exactly what time this place officially broke my brain.
lol. For those of you who don’t keep up to date with my opinions, I think we talk about sending “bad offers” as though it’s a moral failing, which has led to people calling their bad offers “starting offers” as though that makes it different. There is nothing wrong with sending a bad offer to the owners you think are dumb enough to take them.bjd5211 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:22 amEveryone knows OCR loves starting offers, can't get enough of them.SoftwoodGrampian wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:20 amMaybe he’s the one guy in the league dumb enough to accept the bad offer!
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This. If you're an established owner and dues are paid up, I will gladly bend you over. I could care less about league parity.OhCruelestRanter wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:57 amI think just two- get your guys and the 2-3 year window.SStory93 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:02 amI think for the most part you contradicted everyone’s points. Good job!OhCruelestRanter wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 7:38 am 1. Don’t overpay for your guy. You don’t know as much as you think you do. Emotional maturity is understanding that you don’t win or lose any extra if you have “your guy” on your team. Be dispassionate and just take the best player.
2. Think beyond a 2-3 year window. Yeah, it’s really hard to predict that far out, and people get hurt. I get it. But younger players hold their value for longer.
3. Almost every trade that happens in your league that you aren’t involved in hurts your team. Be active.
4. There are 1 or 2 guys in most leagues who are dumb enough to accept a bad offer, and if you don’t send it to them, somebody else will.
5. Unless you think an offer is extraordinarily in your favor, shop around before you take a deal.
6. It’s ok to sell low. Ask everybody who turned down offers last season for Sam Darnold in SuperFlex. Looking at you, Drew Lock.
7. People don’t shop their top of the line players nearly enough. Maybe in small lineup formats this is fine, but guys like Barkley, McCaffery, Kamara can land you more than they’re worth.
8. The higher yield drafting strategy is to
The idea that it’s important to “get your guys” is based on the flawed, largely emotionally driven premise that you will feel better when you lose with “your guys” than you will when you lose with “your guys” on another roster. That’s logically bankrupt. This game is a prognostic and negotiatory exercise; winning feels good, losing feels bad, and emotional attachment to a player who will never know that you exist is a weakness.
As for the 2-3 year window, people parrot this all the time but I don’t see anybody taking Julio Jones over DJ Moore. The problem with this philosophy is that it focuses on production but ignores value. I mean... Russel Gage is going to outproduce a 2023 1st over a 2-3 year window. You swapping your 2023 first for Gage?
Well at least we know exactly what time this place officially broke my brain.
lol. For those of you who don’t keep up to date with my opinions, I think we talk about sending “bad offers” as though it’s a moral failing, which has led to people calling their bad offers “starting offers” as though that makes it different. There is nothing wrong with sending a bad offer to the owners you think are dumb enough to take them.bjd5211 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:22 amEveryone knows OCR loves starting offers, can't get enough of them.SoftwoodGrampian wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:20 am
Maybe he’s the one guy in the league dumb enough to accept the bad offer!
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Evocative, but fair.Orenthal Shames wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 10:21 amThis. If you're an established owner and dues are paid up, I will gladly bend you over. I could care less about league parity.OhCruelestRanter wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:57 amI think just two- get your guys and the 2-3 year window.
The idea that it’s important to “get your guys” is based on the flawed, largely emotionally driven premise that you will feel better when you lose with “your guys” than you will when you lose with “your guys” on another roster. That’s logically bankrupt. This game is a prognostic and negotiatory exercise; winning feels good, losing feels bad, and emotional attachment to a player who will never know that you exist is a weakness.
As for the 2-3 year window, people parrot this all the time but I don’t see anybody taking Julio Jones over DJ Moore. The problem with this philosophy is that it focuses on production but ignores value. I mean... Russel Gage is going to outproduce a 2023 1st over a 2-3 year window. You swapping your 2023 first for Gage?
Well at least we know exactly what time this place officially broke my brain.
lol. For those of you who don’t keep up to date with my opinions, I think we talk about sending “bad offers” as though it’s a moral failing, which has led to people calling their bad offers “starting offers” as though that makes it different. There is nothing wrong with sending a bad offer to the owners you think are dumb enough to take them.
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Something something business and pleasure.OhCruelestRanter wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:27 amEvocative, but fair.Orenthal Shames wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 10:21 amThis. If you're an established owner and dues are paid up, I will gladly bend you over. I could care less about league parity.OhCruelestRanter wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:57 am
I think just two- get your guys and the 2-3 year window.
The idea that it’s important to “get your guys” is based on the flawed, largely emotionally driven premise that you will feel better when you lose with “your guys” than you will when you lose with “your guys” on another roster. That’s logically bankrupt. This game is a prognostic and negotiatory exercise; winning feels good, losing feels bad, and emotional attachment to a player who will never know that you exist is a weakness.
As for the 2-3 year window, people parrot this all the time but I don’t see anybody taking Julio Jones over DJ Moore. The problem with this philosophy is that it focuses on production but ignores value. I mean... Russel Gage is going to outproduce a 2023 1st over a 2-3 year window. You swapping your 2023 first for Gage?
Well at least we know exactly what time this place officially broke my brain.
lol. For those of you who don’t keep up to date with my opinions, I think we talk about sending “bad offers” as though it’s a moral failing, which has led to people calling their bad offers “starting offers” as though that makes it different. There is nothing wrong with sending a bad offer to the owners you think are dumb enough to take them.
16 team league
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex (RB/WR/TE)
26 upman rosters - full point ppr
2015, 17, 18, 19, 20 Champs
QB: Watson, Flacco Stidham
RB: Bijan, Gibbs, McLaughlin
WR: Olave, Addison, Flowers, Rice, Sutton, Downs, Mims, Tillman
TE: Kittle, Goedert, Chig, Woods
24 Picks: 1.06
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex (RB/WR/TE)
26 upman rosters - full point ppr
2015, 17, 18, 19, 20 Champs
QB: Watson, Flacco Stidham
RB: Bijan, Gibbs, McLaughlin
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Alternately, trades happen, and even if they don't involve you, you can profit. Trades can-OhCruelestRanter wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 7:38 am 1. Don’t overpay for your guy. You don’t know as much as you think you do. Emotional maturity is understanding that you don’t win or lose any extra if you have “your guy” on your team. Be dispassionate and just take the best player.
2. Think beyond a 2-3 year window. Yeah, it’s really hard to predict that far out, and people get hurt. I get it. But younger players hold their value for longer.
3. Almost every trade that happens in your league that you aren’t involved in hurts your team. Be active.
4. There are 1 or 2 guys in most leagues who are dumb enough to accept a bad offer, and if you don’t send it to them, somebody else will.
5. Unless you think an offer is extraordinarily in your favor, shop around before you take a deal.
6. It’s ok to sell low. Ask everybody who turned down offers last season for Sam Darnold in SuperFlex. Looking at you, Drew Lock.
7. People don’t shop their top of the line players nearly enough. Maybe in small lineup formats this is fine, but guys like Barkley, McCaffery, Kamara can land you more than they’re worth.
8. The higher yield drafting strategy is to
-indicate what an owner intends with their team
-show an owner (over)values youth/production/picks
-imbalance a roster (which you can help them address in a trade)
-strengthen/weaken a team that you own the picks for; sell before it becomes clear they're a contender, or hold with a death grip; if you don't own the pick of a tanking team, buy it before it becomes obvious
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The 3 year window doesn't ignore value; it just doesn't exaggerate it. It's not telling you to trade all your youth for vets or to make illogical win now moves like trading a first for some random WR. It's just a good reminder for those who think they have someone's peak production or situation forever, or that a league will continue to be active.OhCruelestRanter wrote: ↑
As for the 2-3 year window, people parrot this all the time but I don’t see anybody taking Julio Jones over DJ Moore. The problem with this philosophy is that it focuses on production but ignores value. I mean... Russel Gage is going to outproduce a 2023 1st over a 2-3 year window. You swapping your 2023 first for Gage?
Football typically changes significantly every 3 years. Whether it's veteran players falling off, young players peaking then regressing, coaching changes, injuries, a draft class shaking up the landscape, free agency, trades, etc.
Focus on what you have in front of you and don't concern yourself with stuff that's so far out. Focus on winning now, while not being irresponsible about it.
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That sounds like you’re thinking beyond a 2-3 year window.Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 4:29 amThe 3 year window doesn't ignore value; it just doesn't exaggerate it. It's not telling you to trade all your youth for vets or to make illogical win now moves like trading a first for some random WR. It's just a good reminder for those who think they have someone's peak production or situation forever, or that a league will continue to be active.OhCruelestRanter wrote: ↑
As for the 2-3 year window, people parrot this all the time but I don’t see anybody taking Julio Jones over DJ Moore. The problem with this philosophy is that it focuses on production but ignores value. I mean... Russel Gage is going to outproduce a 2023 1st over a 2-3 year window. You swapping your 2023 first for Gage?
Football typically changes significantly every 3 years. Whether it's veteran players falling off, young players peaking then regressing, coaching changes, injuries, a draft class shaking up the landscape, free agency, trades, etc.
Focus on what you have in front of you and don't concern yourself with stuff that's so far out. Focus on winning now, while not being irresponsible about it.
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I agree with the don’t employ the “get your guys”
Also, acquire draft picks years in advanced. I’m in 2 long-running friends leagues, that aren’t going anywhere, but it amazes me how much cheaper future year draft picks are. I always buy them. I don’t understand why they’re discounted. In traditional transactions, assets now are more expensive, cause you can grow the assets. But, with these picks, anything else you trade for likely lessens in value, on average, while future picks grow. Teams also underrate the likelihood their future first will be top of draft.
Also, acquire draft picks years in advanced. I’m in 2 long-running friends leagues, that aren’t going anywhere, but it amazes me how much cheaper future year draft picks are. I always buy them. I don’t understand why they’re discounted. In traditional transactions, assets now are more expensive, cause you can grow the assets. But, with these picks, anything else you trade for likely lessens in value, on average, while future picks grow. Teams also underrate the likelihood their future first will be top of draft.
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I wish I could get a discount on future picks. No one does this in my leagues.SteelLake wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 6:33 am I agree with the don’t employ the “get your guys”
Also, acquire draft picks years in advanced. I’m in 2 long-running friends leagues, that aren’t going anywhere, but it amazes me how much cheaper future year draft picks are. I always buy them. I don’t understand why they’re discounted. In traditional transactions, assets now are more expensive, cause you can grow the assets. But, with these picks, anything else you trade for likely lessens in value, on average, while future picks grow. Teams also underrate the likelihood their future first will be top of draft.
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Only in the sense that you understand that football changes significantly every 3 years, so you should maximize what you have now rather than what you'll have in 4, 5, 6 years.OhCruelestRanter wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 4:41 amThat sounds like you’re thinking beyond a 2-3 year window.Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 4:29 amThe 3 year window doesn't ignore value; it just doesn't exaggerate it. It's not telling you to trade all your youth for vets or to make illogical win now moves like trading a first for some random WR. It's just a good reminder for those who think they have someone's peak production or situation forever, or that a league will continue to be active.OhCruelestRanter wrote: ↑
As for the 2-3 year window, people parrot this all the time but I don’t see anybody taking Julio Jones over DJ Moore. The problem with this philosophy is that it focuses on production but ignores value. I mean... Russel Gage is going to outproduce a 2023 1st over a 2-3 year window. You swapping your 2023 first for Gage?
Football typically changes significantly every 3 years. Whether it's veteran players falling off, young players peaking then regressing, coaching changes, injuries, a draft class shaking up the landscape, free agency, trades, etc.
Focus on what you have in front of you and don't concern yourself with stuff that's so far out. Focus on winning now, while not being irresponsible about it.
Brian Malone had a good article about it in 2015:
https://dynastyleaguefootball.com/2015/ ... ur-window/
His conclusion is to play in even shorter windows than 3.
It also ties into RB production, which is the foundation for any contender, usually peaks during the first contract, and has 2-3 years of optimal production.
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