Josh Jacobs: Moving On Up

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Re: Josh Jacobs: Moving On Up

Postby ColdZealDonkeyStrike » Thu Jun 03, 2021 12:41 pm

Ice wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 11:39 am
ColdZealDonkeyStrike wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 11:05 am
ArrylT wrote: Thu May 27, 2021 8:23 pm Now some may feel this means uh oh time to ding Jacobs even more - but it certainly did not affect Chubb or Hunt last year.
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(just like Hunt hasnt been an impediment to Chubb).
Chubb is still an RB1 despite a non ideal role, but that's because he's Nick Freakin' Chubb, probably the best pure rusher in Football. To be an RB1 in a split role without receiving work, you have to either be a Nick Chubb level talent, or be on a crazy good offense and get a bunch of goal line work.
Jacobs is not either of those things. He has only been good for fantasy due to volume to date. He's the anti-Nick Chubb.
I would counter that the Browns had probably the best O Line in football last year and the Raiders were probably in the mid 20's as a quality run blocking line.

The Raiders have basically blown up their line to get better this year. We will find out soon enough if they have improved but O lines matter to all RB's at this level.

Jacobs has much better talent IMO than you are suggesting.
Chubb has also never averaged under 5 ypc in his career, much less under 4. That includes with the 2018 Browns line, which was probably not even on par with what Jacobs was working with last year. Jacobs is fine, but his talent is closer to replacement level than it is to Chubb's level IMO. That's not a diss on Jacobs, it's just recognizing that Chubb is special and guys like Jacobs and Javonte Williams (another one I see a lot) shouldn't be comped to him.

Bottom line, if the RB is special, you can toss out situation. Jacobs is a good rb, but he's not special, and his situation kinda sucks.
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Re: Josh Jacobs: Moving On Up

Postby Pullo Vision » Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:18 pm

https://mobile.twitter.com/NFLonCBS/sta ... 7651883012

Rush yards after contact since 2019:

1. Derrick Henry 2,758
2. Nick Chubb 1,893
3. Dalvin Cook 1,805
4. Ezekiel Elliott 1,660
5. Josh Jacobs 1,614
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League #2- 12 team PPR, 1Q, 1R, 2W, 1T, 1 R/W/T, 1 W/R/T, 1 Def

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Re: Josh Jacobs: Moving On Up

Postby ArrylT » Sun Jun 06, 2021 8:32 pm

I think the fun thing about that tweet is all of those players have had their nay-sayers at any given time since they came into the NFL. And all of them averaged at worst 14 pts a game these past 2 years despite whatever flaws, competition or off field concerns they have.
Please speak to clarion contrarion before considering the use of vetos..

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Re: Josh Jacobs: Moving On Up

Postby Adso » Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:51 pm

Pullo Vision wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:18 pm https://mobile.twitter.com/NFLonCBS/sta ... 7651883012

Rush yards after contact since 2019:

1. Derrick Henry 2,758
2. Nick Chubb 1,893
3. Dalvin Cook 1,805
4. Ezekiel Elliott 1,660
5. Josh Jacobs 1,614
Rush yards after contact/per carry since 2019:

1. Derrick Henry 4.05
2. Nick Chubb 3.88
3. Dalvin Cook 3.21
4. Josh Jacobs 3.13
5. Ezekiel Elliott 3.04

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Re: Josh Jacobs: Moving On Up

Postby Pullo Vision » Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:28 pm

Adso wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:51 pm
Pullo Vision wrote: Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:18 pm https://mobile.twitter.com/NFLonCBS/sta ... 7651883012

Rush yards after contact since 2019:

1. Derrick Henry 2,758
2. Nick Chubb 1,893
3. Dalvin Cook 1,805
4. Ezekiel Elliott 1,660
5. Josh Jacobs 1,614
Rush yards after contact/per carry since 2019:

1. Derrick Henry 4.05
2. Nick Chubb 3.88
3. Dalvin Cook 3.21
4. Josh Jacobs 3.13
5. Ezekiel Elliott 3.04
Thanks for sharing. Was curious if anyone would point out the cumulative stat weakness.
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Re: Josh Jacobs: Moving On OUT?

Postby mild » Sat Feb 04, 2023 3:46 pm

Josh Jacobs: Moving On Out?
The Athletic's Tashan Reed reports Raiders running back Josh Jacobs is not interested in playing on the franchise tag in 2023.

Jacobs responded with three words when asked if he would play on the franchise tag in 2023 if the two sides could not reach a multi-year deal - "Hero turned villain." Jacobs said that the two sides had not yet opened contract discussions but that he expected negotiations to begin in the coming week. Jacobs is coming off his most productive season as a professional, leading the league with 1,653 yards on the ground and finishing with 12 touchdowns and more than 2,000 yards from scrimmage.
Strap in folks. That would be an artificial deadline of "this week" that he just imposed on the Raiders FO to start negotiations.

Could get quite feisty if it doesn't go the way he wants it to from here.

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Re: Josh Jacobs: Moving On OUT?

Postby ericanadian » Sat Feb 04, 2023 4:52 pm

mild wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 3:46 pm Josh Jacobs: Moving On Out?
The Athletic's Tashan Reed reports Raiders running back Josh Jacobs is not interested in playing on the franchise tag in 2023.

Jacobs responded with three words when asked if he would play on the franchise tag in 2023 if the two sides could not reach a multi-year deal - "Hero turned villain." Jacobs said that the two sides had not yet opened contract discussions but that he expected negotiations to begin in the coming week. Jacobs is coming off his most productive season as a professional, leading the league with 1,653 yards on the ground and finishing with 12 touchdowns and more than 2,000 yards from scrimmage.
Strap in folks. That would be an artificial deadline of "this week" that he just imposed on the Raiders FO to start negotiations.

Could get quite feisty if it doesn't go the way he wants it to from here.
He’s got no leverage. Le’Veon Bell tried to fight it, but I don’t think anyone is looking at that as a template. I don’t see a way for him to come out of this a winner.
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Re: Josh Jacobs: Moving On OUT?

Postby Mjvb5 » Sat Feb 04, 2023 5:40 pm

ericanadian wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 4:52 pm
mild wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 3:46 pm Josh Jacobs: Moving On Out?
The Athletic's Tashan Reed reports Raiders running back Josh Jacobs is not interested in playing on the franchise tag in 2023.

Jacobs responded with three words when asked if he would play on the franchise tag in 2023 if the two sides could not reach a multi-year deal - "Hero turned villain." Jacobs said that the two sides had not yet opened contract discussions but that he expected negotiations to begin in the coming week. Jacobs is coming off his most productive season as a professional, leading the league with 1,653 yards on the ground and finishing with 12 touchdowns and more than 2,000 yards from scrimmage.
Strap in folks. That would be an artificial deadline of "this week" that he just imposed on the Raiders FO to start negotiations.

Could get quite feisty if it doesn't go the way he wants it to from here.
He’s got no leverage. Le’Veon Bell tried to fight it, but I don’t think anyone is looking at that as a template. I don’t see a way for him to come out of this a winner.
Yup the reality is at rb you really have about 2-3 years to get paid so to toss one of those out the door on a 10M tag(currently 9th highest paid rb) is just a bad business decision


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