Fournette - what to do with him

[_yeti]

I am wondering if Fournette is too tall to play NFL RB, but Latavius Murray is like 3 inches taller than him. Murray is leaner and tries less to bang, though he takes on contact. Did Fournette think he was going to bully the NFL bc that hasn't happened. Low man wins in football and though the sweet spot for RBs seems to be like 5'10 or 5'11 Fournette always seems slow and too high to play as strong as he wants to.

Genuinely curious if others agree with this or what their thoughts are on it

[Wizard]

He’s always been a subpar player in an elite FF situation. Odds of that striking twice are low. I think he’s become the worst FF type:

Not good enough to get value back or to start
Too much hope to cut

Yup, if you can get something for him take it and grab someone with real upside

This is definitely it. Own him in a couple leagues and have probed for trades and I think the most anyone would give up is two 2nds. Might just have to be a hold and maybe he will have some kind of late career resurgence.

If Legarrette Blount could be so successful late in his career maybe Fournette can too. You would think he could do more. He's definitely more physically gifted but less durable and seems to still see himself as the guy he was drafted to be and not what he's actually done

I think I would be really grateful to get 2 seconds for him

[Jigga94]

I am wondering if Fournette is too tall to play NFL RB, but Latavius Murray is like 3 inches taller than him. Murray is leaner and tries less to bang, though he takes on contact. Did Fournette think he was going to bully the NFL bc that hasn't happened. Low man wins in football and though the sweet spot for RBs seems to be like 5'10 or 5'11 Fournette always seems slow and too high to play as strong as he wants to.

Genuinely curious if others agree with this or what their thoughts are on it

I tend to agree that 5'10 and 5'11 is the sweet spot for RB. But being 6'0 shouldn't be a problem. I mean Henry is 6'3

I think it's his mindset and I doubt he ever gets a feature role

[Ice]

I am wondering if Fournette is too tall to play NFL RB, but Latavius Murray is like 3 inches taller than him. Murray is leaner and tries less to bang, though he takes on contact. Did Fournette think he was going to bully the NFL bc that hasn't happened. Low man wins in football and though the sweet spot for RBs seems to be like 5'10 or 5'11 Fournette always seems slow and too high to play as strong as he wants to.

Genuinely curious if others agree with this or what their thoughts are on it

The Great Jim Brown, Eric Dickerson, and Derrick Henry probably think fantasy football players do not understand that it isn't height but talent and desire that makes for a good NFL player. On the other side the Great Emmitt Smith and Barry Sanders probably don't think height matters either.

It is time for the fantasy community to come to grips with this fact regardless if it's a RB or WR.

[Cameron Giles]

NFL has basically told you what Fournette is. When he was available in trade, the Jaguars received little to no interest and that's with the 5th year contract declined. When he was cut, he received very little interest still. During the season, he was very up and down, mostly down.

I think his best season was his 3rd year, but even then, it wasn't enough to make teams think twice.

I would sell for what you can get. Sure, maybe there's a chance that he has a randomly solid season in the next few years, but that's not worth holding to see. He's underachieved significantly as a pro and there's no sign that's changing. I don't think he's walking into a starting role next year. He's basically a little better than what Todd Gurley has become.

[jenkins.math]

In terms of fantasy, he was a producer based on volume. His 2 best seasons he touched the ball 300+ times. Give any RB in the league that many touches in a season and they are going to be an RB1. Its really as simple as that.

Piggybacking off the above, judging by little interest in him across the league, I doubt he ever sees anything close to that volume again. Therefore I see him as a roster clogger and would be ecstatic to move him for anything of value.

[_yeti]

I am wondering if Fournette is too tall to play NFL RB, but Latavius Murray is like 3 inches taller than him. Murray is leaner and tries less to bang, though he takes on contact. Did Fournette think he was going to bully the NFL bc that hasn't happened. Low man wins in football and though the sweet spot for RBs seems to be like 5'10 or 5'11 Fournette always seems slow and too high to play as strong as he wants to.

Genuinely curious if others agree with this or what their thoughts are on it

The Great Jim Brown, Eric Dickerson, and Derrick Henry probably think fantasy football players do not understand that it isn't height but talent and desire that makes for a good NFL player. On the other side the Great Emmitt Smith and Barry Sanders probably don't think height matters either.

It is time for the fantasy community to come to grips with this fact regardless if it's a RB or WR.

I think you misunderstand what I was saying, that's why I mentioned Murray. Murray and Henry are both much leaner than him regardless of the amount of weight they are carrying. I am saying bullying people at the NFL at his size isn't working and would work better at 5'10. I think if he lost a solid 10-15 pounds focusing on all speed, agility, and cardio he would be a significantly better back and would still be solid at 6 ft 210/215. He has more talent than he has shown.

As to the desire part, that's why I mentioned him still thinking he was the back he was drafted to be as opposed to guys who fight for their spot. I don't think he thinks he needs to make any drastic changes to his game, physique, or speed/quickness. Speed and lateral quickness can be improved by anyone at any level as long as they are young enough but he doesn't think he needs to do that. Look up how much of a gym rat Austin Ekeler is, anyone think Fournette puts work like that in?

[The MAC Machine]

I cannnot wait until Fournette comes back strong next year. I think its funny how people turn their nose up to a RB who caught 76 passes last year and has shown high scoring potential. Ronald Jones out touched Fournette 220 to 133 and yet the TD split is 8 to 6 AND Fournette has more catches in 1 less game. He is better than Ronald Jones.....period.

Players like Fournette act out when the team sucks. I remember when people downgraded Randy Moss before he went to the Patriots because of his behavioral issues.....I remember buying Randy low that off season....WOOF! Rode that puppy to a championship. I think many of you are in for a rude awakening if Fournette lands in a solid spot.

I would hold him if you have him. And buy him if you can get him for cheap.

[Dynasty DeLorean]

I am wondering if Fournette is too tall to play NFL RB

No, 6ft is a completely reasonable height.

Over 6ft
Derrick Henry
Joe Mixon
Todd Gurley
Melvin Gordon
David Johnson
LeVeon Bell
DeMarco Murray
Arian Foster
Matt Forte
Adrian Peterson
Steven Jackson

6ft
Antonio Gibson
Saquon Barkley
Leonard Fournette
Ezekiel Elliot
Carlos Hyde
Ryan Matthews


As per the topic, Idk what happened to him but he is not the same player he was in college. I'm guessing some combination of injuries and work ethic. Watching him his last year in Jax, his vision was terrible as well. He just lowers his head and just runs into piles. I bailed where I could this past year.

[slaughterrt]

Maybe playing in JAX for so long broke his spirit.

[jman3134]

Any chance he returns with TB? If so, I am buying.

[Ice]

I am wondering if Fournette is too tall to play NFL RB, but Latavius Murray is like 3 inches taller than him. Murray is leaner and tries less to bang, though he takes on contact. Did Fournette think he was going to bully the NFL bc that hasn't happened. Low man wins in football and though the sweet spot for RBs seems to be like 5'10 or 5'11 Fournette always seems slow and too high to play as strong as he wants to.

Genuinely curious if others agree with this or what their thoughts are on it

The Great Jim Brown, Eric Dickerson, and Derrick Henry probably think fantasy football players do not understand that it isn't height but talent and desire that makes for a good NFL player. On the other side the Great Emmitt Smith and Barry Sanders probably don't think height matters either.

It is time for the fantasy community to come to grips with this fact regardless if it's a RB or WR.

I think you misunderstand what I was saying, that's why I mentioned Murray. Murray and Henry are both much leaner than him regardless of the amount of weight they are carrying. I am saying bullying people at the NFL at his size isn't working and would work better at 5'10. I think if he lost a solid 10-15 pounds focusing on all speed, agility, and cardio he would be a significantly better back and would still be solid at 6 ft 210/215. He has more talent than he has shown.

As to the desire part, that's why I mentioned him still thinking he was the back he was drafted to be as opposed to guys who fight for their spot. I don't think he thinks he needs to make any drastic changes to his game, physique, or speed/quickness. Speed and lateral quickness can be improved by anyone at any level as long as they are young enough but he doesn't think he needs to do that. Look up how much of a gym rat Austin Ekeler is, anyone think Fournette puts work like that in?

Thinking at the NFL level you put the work in or you're out. Fournette is a good player. Never really thought he was a great player but many drafted him thinking he was in fantasy and the Jags certainly thought he would be great.

Don't think it is a size issue with him. I do think expectations should be reset to a degree. I own him in a few leagues. He is a a solid volume back and pretty good on 3rd down. He certainly helped Tampa this past week.

Not sure it is a fair comment to think he doesn't put in the work. He is a very different player than Ekeler. Looks like a different body type as well. That said, I suspect not too many have Ekeler's drive from what I have read.

[killer_of_giants]

I think many of you are in for a rude awakening

[_yeti]

I am wondering if Fournette is too tall to play NFL RB

No, 6ft is a completely reasonable height.

Over 6ft
Derrick Henry
Joe Mixon
Todd Gurley
Melvin Gordon
David Johnson
LeVeon Bell
DeMarco Murray
Arian Foster
Matt Forte
Adrian Peterson
Steven Jackson

6ft
Antonio Gibson
Saquon Barkley
Leonard Fournette
Ezekiel Elliot
Carlos Hyde
Ryan Matthews


As per the topic, Idk what happened to him but he is not the same player he was in college. I'm guessing some combination of injuries and work ethic. Watching him his last year in Jax, his vision was terrible as well. He just lowers his head and just runs into piles. I bailed where I could this past year.

You removed all context and misquoted me as if I didn't immediately in the same sentence say that wasn't the issue.

I also clarified what I was saying prior to you posting this list.

I am wondering if Fournette is too tall to play NFL RB, but Latavius Murray is like 3 inches taller than him. Murray is leaner and tries less to bang, though he takes on contact. Did Fournette think he was going to bully the NFL bc that hasn't happened. Low man wins in football and though the sweet spot for RBs seems to be like 5'10 or 5'11 Fournette always seems slow and too high to play as strong as he wants to.

I think you misunderstand what I was saying, that's why I mentioned Murray. Murray and Henry are both much leaner than him regardless of the amount of weight they are carrying. I am saying bullying people at the NFL at his size isn't working and would work better at 5'10. I think if he lost a solid 10-15 pounds focusing on all speed, agility, and cardio he would be a significantly better back and would still be solid at 6 ft 210/215. He has more talent than he has shown.

As to the desire part, that's why I mentioned him still thinking he was the back he was drafted to be as opposed to guys who fight for their spot. I don't think he thinks he needs to make any drastic changes to his game, physique, or speed/quickness. Speed and lateral quickness can be improved by anyone at any level as long as they are young enough but he doesn't think he needs to do that. Look up how much of a gym rat Austin Ekeler is, anyone think Fournette puts work like that in?

[_yeti]

Thinking at the NFL level you put the work in or you're out. Fournette is a good player. Never really thought he was a great player but many drafted him thinking he was in fantasy and the Jags certainly thought he would be great.

Don't think it is a size issue with him. I do think expectations should be reset to a degree. I own him in a few leagues. He is a a solid volume back and pretty good on 3rd down. He certainly helped Tampa this past week.

Not sure it is a fair comment to think he doesn't put in the work. He is a very different player than Ekeler. Looks like a different body type as well. That said, I suspect not too many have Ekeler's drive from what I have read.

He is definitely carrying a little extra weight and could be leaner. That extra 10 or 15 pounds is giving him less pop and making him slower. For comparison look at the leanness of Chris Carson vs Fournette with similar body types. Carson has much more pop than Fournette though I think Fournette could have as much if he trimmed down a little.

"Specifically, Garofolo uncovered that Fournette has been constantly late to things, puts in sub-par work, and sleeps through meetings. He even found that Fournette sometimes needed to be woken up after falling asleep during team meetings."

"Leonard Fournette didn't work out once during his team's bye week.

Didn't lift a weight. Didn't use resistance bands. Didn't even hit a treadmill. Nothing at all.

"I laid in bed, ate gumbo, [and] went on dates with my daughter and my son and we chilled," he said.

It was a well-deserved break, and pretty much the only one that Fournette has taken since the 2018 season ended. His commitment and work ethic are two of the biggest factors in Fournette's turnaround from a player who many thought was a bust after last season to one with nearly 1,000 yards rushing already this season.

That includes keeping a strict watch on his diet and weight. Fournette gained 17 pounds during the 2018 season, but has pretty much maintained his weight around 223 pounds this season. But, he says, it has not been easy."