What don’t you like about Fields? I’m just curious if I’m missing something because he’s the only can’t miss prospect at QB for me besides Lawrence.StripesOfKC wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:08 pm
I always had Wilson over Fields (and Lawrence over both). I've had Lance over Fields too. For fantasy Fields>Mac because of rushing but for the NFL those two are pretty close for me too
I have never been a Fields fan
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He reminds me of a stronger armed Mariota. The main red flag I see with him above all is post snap processing--both when it comes to going through progressions and anticipation on routes.jjleurquin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 4:59 pmWhat don’t you like about Fields? I’m just curious if I’m missing something because he’s the only can’t miss prospect at QB for me besides Lawrence.StripesOfKC wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:08 pm
I always had Wilson over Fields (and Lawrence over both). I've had Lance over Fields too. For fantasy Fields>Mac because of rushing but for the NFL those two are pretty close for me too
I have never been a Fields fan
He throws a really pretty ball, has a strong arm, good pedigree (though this doesn't matter THAT much to me) and is tough as hell, but I can't get over the anticipation/progression factor.
The other minor knocks for me is that his recievers gave him a wide berth on accuracy and he got bailed out even when he didn't hit them in stride (which he didn't in many of his big plays) and the decision making got really bad at times under pressure (Indiana game/some Northwestern too but more Indiana) but the decision making is an issue with Wilson too and the stride accuracy with Mac and even Lawrence (Wilson on the other hand anticipates too much at times and doesn't protect his WRs from taking big hits) so I am not knocking him much for these
He could be a Dak Prescott/Justin Herbert situation where his intangibles make up for a college scheme that didn't ask him to go through progressions and push him to catch up fast (I hated Herbert coming out for example)
I may switch him with Lance around draft time and he will likely end up higher than I have now seeing as I think he ends up in a solid destination like CAR/ATL/SF but right now I think Fields is far more likely to be pushed into starting year 1 and I really don't think he should
Should note that QB is my worst scouting position since I have started seriously looking at tape. I've mad major against the grain takes proven right like Haskins busting, Carr (at least in relation to the 2014 QB class), Mahomes and Josh Allen but also major misses like Darnold, Paxton Lynch, Herbert (already mentioned) and Lamar Jackson
I just think that Fields was presumed QB2 by fans for a long time but wasn't necessarily that among FAs and it's showing now. I don't think he, Lance, Wilson or even Lawrence are "can't miss" (Lawrence is the closest but I can easily imagine a scenario where he has a good career regularly reaching 4000 yards passing and a few playoff wins and is considered a disappointment with how much his hype was)
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Wilson is not going ahead of Lawrence, zero chance if both are as healthy on draft day as they are today.
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To update, im kind of falling in love with Bateman and strongly considering him over Smith at 1.04ThunderTung wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:37 am I really like Smith....right now. Who knows how I'll feel in 3 months. This time last season I was super high on Jeudy but fell in love with Lamb right before the draft. We'll see what happens after whatever pseudo combine we get this year
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Re: Way too Early 2021 Draft Thread
People who put Wilson (or even more QBs) over Lawrence either work in the media and need a "hot take" or push "hot takes" on social media for clout.
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Usually I'd agree, but I think Chris Simms evaluation is genuinethebadferret wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 12:43 am People who put Wilson (or even more QBs) over Lawrence either work in the media and need a "hot take" or push "hot takes" on social media for clout.
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Or they actually just like Wilson more.thebadferret wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 12:43 am People who put Wilson (or even more QBs) over Lawrence either work in the media and need a "hot take" or push "hot takes" on social media for clout.
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One can justify a lot of weaknesses in a QB but this is one that should scare anyone.StripesOfKC wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:36 pmHe reminds me of a stronger armed Mariota. The main red flag I see with him above all is post snap processing--both when it comes to going through progressions and anticipation on routes.jjleurquin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 4:59 pmWhat don’t you like about Fields? I’m just curious if I’m missing something because he’s the only can’t miss prospect at QB for me besides Lawrence.StripesOfKC wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:08 pm
I always had Wilson over Fields (and Lawrence over both). I've had Lance over Fields too. For fantasy Fields>Mac because of rushing but for the NFL those two are pretty close for me too
I have never been a Fields fan
The ability to process information in the blink of an eye in game conditions at the NFL level is probably the single most important thing for a QB.
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Re: Who is your "guy" for this upcoming rookie class?
Bateman is my guy after the top RB/WR/QB/TE and could very take him at 7 or 8 depending on who has gone. I like him a lot.ThunderTung wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:58 pmTo update, im kind of falling in love with Bateman and strongly considering him over Smith at 1.04ThunderTung wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:37 am I really like Smith....right now. Who knows how I'll feel in 3 months. This time last season I was super high on Jeudy but fell in love with Lamb right before the draft. We'll see what happens after whatever pseudo combine we get this year
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Re: Way too Early 2021 Draft Thread
Seems like a good place to plop this thought.
In the fantasy community, this QB class seems to be getting a lot of hype, and not just Lawrence. However, I’m hearing/reading some mixed results from non-fantasy related NFL media sources. Some are still rating this class super high, but I’m seeing some say it’s a weak class, last Lawrence. Over-hyped. “Guys like Fields, Wilson, Lance are going to get over drafted”
Anyone have thoughts on this?
In the fantasy community, this QB class seems to be getting a lot of hype, and not just Lawrence. However, I’m hearing/reading some mixed results from non-fantasy related NFL media sources. Some are still rating this class super high, but I’m seeing some say it’s a weak class, last Lawrence. Over-hyped. “Guys like Fields, Wilson, Lance are going to get over drafted”
Anyone have thoughts on this?
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QB: T Lawrence, K Cousins, R Wilson, Z Wilson
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WR: JJ, AJB, A Cooper, Juju, C Kirk, J Dotson, N Westbrook-Ikhine, I McKenzie
TE. T Kelce, Pitts, Albert O, D Parham, J O’Shaunessy
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12 team. 2019 champ, 2020 runner up, ‘21 3rd
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QB: T Lawrence, K Cousins, R Wilson, Z Wilson
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WR: JJ, AJB, A Cooper, Juju, C Kirk, J Dotson, N Westbrook-Ikhine, I McKenzie
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Re: Way too Early 2021 Draft Thread
Who is saying it's a weak class?honcho55 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:11 pm Seems like a good place to plop this thought.
In the fantasy community, this QB class seems to be getting a lot of hype, and not just Lawrence. However, I’m hearing/reading some mixed results from non-fantasy related NFL media sources. Some are still rating this class super high, but I’m seeing some say it’s a weak class, last Lawrence. Over-hyped. “Guys like Fields, Wilson, Lance are going to get over drafted”
Anyone have thoughts on this?
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