Way too Early 2021 Draft Thread

[Sriracha]

Bold take sir, bold.

Lol and that was to my point. Say he runs a 4.4 pro day... How much time do we add? How accurate is it? Going to be a lotttttt of that. At least with the combine it's all a fair playing field

Like I said earlier, if there are more standardized pro days with better video than we normally get, these times might be "verified" by analyzing the video. Now that doesn't ignore the inherent home field advantage such as a potentially faster surface or whatnot but should get us close.

There's just no way it's going to be the apples to apples comparison that we've seen at the combine.

Even last year, simply changing the time of day people ran likely impacted a lot of the measurements.

I suspect there are going to be more early round busts than we've had in a long while this year and more mid - late round gems than usual.

[Dynasty DeLorean]

Right, I agree. Just saying it may be more accurate than usual.

[KingsKing]

And just to be clear, I don't doubt you read that. i found it in 2 seconds via google on Alabama Mag, I just don't think its true AT ALL, lol. He did run the shuttle in 4.16 out of hs though, at the nike opening, I believe, along with a 4.66 40, and 32.25 in vert. I think it stands to reason he has improved on those numbers since hs. I don't see him improving his shuttle by .5 seconds though, lol.

Also if you guys are questioning Harris’ athleticism and 40, you will be real shocked when you see Javonte Williams run. He ran a 4.78 40, 4.66 20 yard shuttle, and a 28.5 inch vertical in HS. His hand timed 40 is a 4.52 and they didn’t list his short shuttle because it’s still probably horrible.

LOL, dude just stop . Williams ran track in high school and is plenty fast along with solid athletic ability, I suspect he will run around a 4.5.

The Javonte Williams with the 4.78 40 and 28 inch vert was a 5'5 157 pound rb from 2012 and not the one entering the NFL draft

[alewilliam789]

And just to be clear, I don't doubt you read that. i found it in 2 seconds via google on Alabama Mag, I just don't think its true AT ALL, lol. He did run the shuttle in 4.16 out of hs though, at the nike opening, I believe, along with a 4.66 40, and 32.25 in vert. I think it stands to reason he has improved on those numbers since hs. I don't see him improving his shuttle by .5 seconds though, lol.

Also if you guys are questioning Harris’ athleticism and 40, you will be real shocked when you see Javonte Williams run. He ran a 4.78 40, 4.66 20 yard shuttle, and a 28.5 inch vertical in HS. His hand timed 40 is a 4.52 and they didn’t list his short shuttle because it’s still probably horrible.

LOL, dude just stop . Williams ran track in high school and is plenty fast along with solid athletic ability, I suspect he will run around a 4.5.

The Javonte Williams with the 4.78 40 and 28 inch vert was a 5'5 157 pound rb from 2012 and not the one entering the NFL draft

Well you are certainly right. In these moments there isn’t more that you can do, but just laugh and say I’m sorry/wrong lol.

I do think it’s ironic that people are saying Williams is running a 4.52 and they are expecting a 4.5 from him, but yet saying Harris will be running a 4.6 after a faster hand time.

Time will tell instead of arguing about fake Javonte Williams 40 times

[KingsKing]

Also if you guys are questioning Harris’ athleticism and 40, you will be real shocked when you see Javonte Williams run. He ran a 4.78 40, 4.66 20 yard shuttle, and a 28.5 inch vertical in HS. His hand timed 40 is a 4.52 and they didn’t list his short shuttle because it’s still probably horrible.

LOL, dude just stop . Williams ran track in high school and is plenty fast along with solid athletic ability, I suspect he will run around a 4.5.

The Javonte Williams with the 4.78 40 and 28 inch vert was a 5'5 157 pound rb from 2012 and not the one entering the NFL draft

Well you are certainly right. In these moments there isn’t more that you can do, but just laugh and say I’m sorry/wrong lol.

I do think it’s ironic that people are saying Williams is running a 4.52 and they are expecting a 4.5 from him, but yet saying Harris will be running a 4.6 after a faster hand time.

Time will tell instead of arguing about fake Javonte Williams 40 times

lol fair enough,

People will want to pump the guys they like, I like both players a lot and ill be happy to land both this draft season. Without knowing landing spot and based purely on film and college production I would rank Harris over Williams at this point in time.

[tresskid84]

LOL, dude just stop . Williams ran track in high school and is plenty fast along with solid athletic ability, I suspect he will run around a 4.5.

The Javonte Williams with the 4.78 40 and 28 inch vert was a 5'5 157 pound rb from 2012 and not the one entering the NFL draft

Well you are certainly right. In these moments there isn’t more that you can do, but just laugh and say I’m sorry/wrong lol.

I do think it’s ironic that people are saying Williams is running a 4.52 and they are expecting a 4.5 from him, but yet saying Harris will be running a 4.6 after a faster hand time.

Time will tell instead of arguing about fake Javonte Williams 40 times

lol fair enough,

People will want to pump the guys they like, I like both players a lot and ill be happy to land both this draft season. Without knowing landing spot and based purely on film and college production I would rank Harris over Williams at this point in time.

I remember people arguing Journey Brown wasn't fast because of one single clip of him being caught from behind (when in the clip, its clear he isn't sprinting because hes not trying to outrun his blocker in front of him, lol). Meanwhile, Journey still holds the PA record for the 100m at 10.43 seconds.

[Sriracha]

Also if you guys are questioning Harris’ athleticism and 40, you will be real shocked when you see Javonte Williams run. He ran a 4.78 40, 4.66 20 yard shuttle, and a 28.5 inch vertical in HS. His hand timed 40 is a 4.52 and they didn’t list his short shuttle because it’s still probably horrible.

LOL, dude just stop . Williams ran track in high school and is plenty fast along with solid athletic ability, I suspect he will run around a 4.5.

The Javonte Williams with the 4.78 40 and 28 inch vert was a 5'5 157 pound rb from 2012 and not the one entering the NFL draft

Well you are certainly right. In these moments there isn’t more that you can do, but just laugh and say I’m sorry/wrong lol.

I do think it’s ironic that people are saying Williams is running a 4.52 and they are expecting a 4.5 from him, but yet saying Harris will be running a 4.6 after a faster hand time.

Time will tell instead of arguing about fake Javonte Williams 40 times

The disparity mostly comes from how "fast" these guys look on film. It's an inexact science, but Harris does look slow on film; Javonte looks above average at worst.

It would not surprise me if Javonte ran a 4.48 - 4.56. I would be shocked if Harris runs a sub 4.6.

That does not mean I will take Javonte over Harris if given the option in any draft.. it just means Harris looks noticeably slower than Javonte on film. This isn't something that Harris enthusiast should be up in arms about.. a 4.6 at 230lbs is still pretty good.

[OhCruelestRanter]

If Najee is going to run sub 4.6 he probably just shouldn’t run.

[KingsKing]

If Najee is going to run sub 4.6 he probably just shouldn’t run.

It's not a death sentence especially at his size. Lateral movement, agility,vision,contact balance are all more important than straight line speed for a rb and Harris has all those in spades. CEH,James Robinson,Lev Bell,Ingram,Blount,Foster all ran 4.6 or higher and Gore, Shaun Alexander and Jamal Lewis all ran 4.59 at the combine.

I think a RB refusing to run a 40 is like a QB not wanting to throw , it was tank his draft stock worse than running a 4.6 . I don't think any NFL teams are expecting him to run super fast.

[OhCruelestRanter]

If Najee is going to run sub 4.6 he probably just shouldn’t run.

It's not a death sentence especially at his size. Lateral movement, agility,vision,contact balance are all more important than straight line speed for a rb and Harris has all those in spades. CEH,James Robinson,Lev Bell,Ingram,Blount,Foster all ran 4.6 or higher and Gore, Shaun Alexander and Jamal Lewis all ran 4.59 at the combine.

I think a RB refusing to run a 40 is like a QB not wanting to throw , it was tank his draft stock worse than running a 4.6 . I don't think any NFL teams are expecting him to run super fast.

For what it’s worth I meant over 4.6- that was a typo.

Maybe that’s the case that skipping would drop him farther, but some of the guys you mentioned (Robinson, Foster, Blount) went undrafted.

Maybe if he’s consistently running 4.60-4.62 it’s no big deal and he should just run. If he’s closer to 4.7 than to 4.6 I still say he should probably skip.

[KingsKing]

If Najee is going to run sub 4.6 he probably just shouldn’t run.

It's not a death sentence especially at his size. Lateral movement, agility,vision,contact balance are all more important than straight line speed for a rb and Harris has all those in spades. CEH,James Robinson,Lev Bell,Ingram,Blount,Foster all ran 4.6 or higher and Gore, Shaun Alexander and Jamal Lewis all ran 4.59 at the combine.

I think a RB refusing to run a 40 is like a QB not wanting to throw , it was tank his draft stock worse than running a 4.6 . I don't think any NFL teams are expecting him to run super fast.

For what it’s worth I meant over 4.6- that was a typo.

Maybe that’s the case that skipping would drop him farther, but some of the guys you mentioned (Robinson, Foster, Blount) went undrafted.

Maybe if he’s consistently running 4.60-4.62 it’s no big deal and he should just run. If he’s closer to 4.7 than to 4.6 I still say he should probably skip.

4.7 would be a disaster, I don't think he is a burner by any means but I also don't think he is 4.7 slow. I'm looking forward to seeing how fast some of these guys are . I think Hubbard will run in the 4.3's , Etienne 4.4, Williams 4.5,Harris high 4.5 or low 4.6. Gainwell and Carter are the 2 guys im most curious about because they lack size of prototype workhorse rb's .

[ThunderTung]

I think at the end of the day 40 times is an incredibly overrated measurement for RB's. The only relevance it has to us is that it can affect their adp. Anything under 4.6 for RB's is perfectly fine. I don't need my RB's to break off 90 yard runs if they can consistently pick up 4-8 on every carry, and your 40 yard dash is not the measurable that determines whether or not they can accomplish that

[Sriracha]

40 times are really important thresholds for success.

They also are pretty indicative of upside as a rusher.

Its not a death sentence if youre an exemplary receiver... but it definitely matters for RBs. You really need that big play ability to differentiate yourself from other RB talents in a meaningful way

[OhCruelestRanter]

I think at the end of the day 40 times is an incredibly overrated measurement for RB's. The only relevance it has to us is that it can affect their adp. Anything under 4.6 for RB's is perfectly fine. I don't need my RB's to break off 90 yard runs if they can consistently pick up 4-8 on every carry, and your 40 yard dash is not the measurable that determines whether or not they can accomplish that

This is demonstrably untrue. The 40 when adjusted for weight, is one of the few productive metrics we have for rushing success.

Source: https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat ... score-2020

[murphysxm]

I think at the end of the day 40 times is an incredibly overrated measurement for RB's. The only relevance it has to us is that it can affect their adp. Anything under 4.6 for RB's is perfectly fine. I don't need my RB's to break off 90 yard runs if they can consistently pick up 4-8 on every carry, and your 40 yard dash is not the measurable that determines whether or not they can accomplish that

This is demonstrably untrue. The 40 when adjusted for weight, is one of the few productive metrics we have for rushing success.

Source: https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat ... score-2020

So you started Anthonthy MacFarland and Darrynton Evans all season then? It is a piece of the equation, but the end all IMO