Who is your "guy" for this upcoming rookie class?

[Dynasty DeLorean]

No it's not, Pitts is FAR ahead of them as fantasy prospects for me.

OJ Howard was considered a can't-miss TE for years and was more well-rounded than Pitts. Arguably the best blocking TE in the country in his collegiate career.

I love Pitts game too, but we've heard the "maybe this TE is worth a high rookie pick" argument plenty of times before. It's not that I think Pitts is going to stink; it's that I think you can get him for less than that initial price because people do not have patience with TEs.

Everyone wants the next Gronk, Kelce, Kittle, or whoever, but nobody wants to wait longer than a year or two for it.

Howard had 7 college touchdowns in 4 seasons lol not sure why anyone expected him to be can’t miss fantasy prospect.

Yeah OJH was a really good prospect but not can't miss as a receiver. The college production was fine but underwhelming. He wasn't really refined as a receiver either (neither was Engram btw). You could almost say all 3 of OJH, Engram and Fant were more athletic specimens than natural receivers. And that's not to say they can't still all be great but it also means they were not can't miss. OJH was basically a DK Metcalf type of prospect but at the TE position that just didn't work out, yet. I have not dug into any tape yet but Pitts appears to be a much more natural receiver and playmaker than any of the TE's mentioned.

TJ Hockenson was more or less the only actual "can't miss" TE drafted in the past 5-6 years, and so far he's still on that path. I did a little digging and typically the best TE's do not start out hot right away. They give you mediocre production for a year or two and then "hit" in year 2 or 3.

[Edgy68]

In my 12t SF;

I like Bateman if he falls to me at 2.2, maybe Trask if he’s in a good situation and still there

My second pick is 2.10, maybe Frieirmuth, or any number of WR who should be there, Amon-Ra, Toney or Terry, either Moore, Nico, Dynami...

The bummer is I don’t think there will be a RB available at 2.2 or 2.10 who will be in a good situation to matter or be worth taking over the BWRA i’m likely to see...but I’d love to hear RB suggestions for those picks from the crowd here...

This may be a stretch at 2.02, but with T. Sermon exiting the title game after one play, he may be there. If that injury isn’t career threatening (I admit I haven’t followed up), his size-speed profile would be an excellent way to spend an early 2nd.

[OhCruelestRanter]

Kadarius Toney looks like an absolute stud player. I hope he last to 2.03, but I think he will be gone by then.

I think people are going to be fooled by these senior breakouts until the end of time. I hope he pushes down Bateman and Moore.

[Sriracha]

Kadarius Toney looks like an absolute stud player. I hope he last to 2.03, but I think he will be gone by then.

I think people are going to be fooled by these senior breakouts until the end of time. I hope he pushes down Bateman and Moore.

100%

Also add Terrace and Tamorrion to that list

[wickerkat1212]

I have a feeling I am going to have a lot of Terrace Marshall Jr shares

I was just going to post this. I like LSU WRs, and big WRs. I pick in the #7-11 range which seems about right for him.

Also, all in on Pitts.

[OhCruelestRanter]

Kadarius Toney looks like an absolute stud player. I hope he last to 2.03, but I think he will be gone by then.

I think people are going to be fooled by these senior breakouts until the end of time. I hope he pushes down Bateman and Moore.

100%

Also add Terrace and Tamorrion to that list

Agreed, although I’m presently higher on Marshall. Interested in how Terry runs.

[realmacaroni]

For conversation’s sake, in my 12t SF I currently have Marshall, Terry and Toney ranked 2.4, 2.8 and 2.12 respectively, and thats WR 5, 8 and 9.

I have all 6 QBs in the conversation ranked ahead of them currently

[remedy29]

Kadarius Toney looks like an absolute stud player. I hope he last to 2.03, but I think he will be gone by then.

I think people are going to be fooled by these senior breakouts until the end of time. I hope he pushes down Bateman and Moore.

100%

Also add Terrace and Tamorrion to that list

Seems like simplistic, narrow minded analysis. Shouldn't a player's circumstances, obvious athleticism and production be analyzed for all prospects?

Now I know why super talented players like Brandon Aiyuk can have 8 or 9 rookie WRs ranked ahead of him going into his rookie draft, despite his pure superior physical talent and 1st round draft capital.

[cantguardjake]

I think people are going to be fooled by these senior breakouts until the end of time. I hope he pushes down Bateman and Moore.

100%

Also add Terrace and Tamorrion to that list

Seems like simplistic, narrow minded analysis. Shouldn't a player's circumstances, obvious athleticism and production be analyzed for all prospects?

Now I know why super talented players like Brandon Aiyuk can have 8 or 9 rookie WRs ranked ahead of him going into his rookie draft, despite his pure superior physical talent and 1st round draft capital.

Toney and Terry are my two personal favourite receivers this draft. Not from a fantasy perspective, but they’re so fun to watch.

ADP is creeping up for both of them though, comparative to what they are as fantasy prospects.

I don’t care about them being Seniors with one year of production, however their film isn’t as good as Aiyuk and Claypools last year (both of which I was high on) - but they’re trending in the direction that they might cost more.

Still love them as college players though

[OhCruelestRanter]

I think people are going to be fooled by these senior breakouts until the end of time. I hope he pushes down Bateman and Moore.

100%

Also add Terrace and Tamorrion to that list

Seems like simplistic, narrow minded analysis. Shouldn't a player's circumstances, obvious athleticism and production be analyzed for all prospects?

Now I know why super talented players like Brandon Aiyuk can have 8 or 9 rookie WRs ranked ahead of him going into his rookie draft, despite his pure superior physical talent and 1st round draft capital.

This is my favorite response. You explain why a certain subset of players are risky- be it senior WRs, slow RBs, QBs who only start for one year, whatever. You can show them that subset X busts 90 percent of the time, and they come back with “10% of the time they hit!” as though it’s a comeback.

These people are intellectually destitute and not worth conversing with. Sadly, they seem to be multiplying here.

[cantguardjake]

100%

Also add Terrace and Tamorrion to that list

Seems like simplistic, narrow minded analysis. Shouldn't a player's circumstances, obvious athleticism and production be analyzed for all prospects?

Now I know why super talented players like Brandon Aiyuk can have 8 or 9 rookie WRs ranked ahead of him going into his rookie draft, despite his pure superior physical talent and 1st round draft capital.

This is my favorite response. You explain why a certain subset of players are risky- be it senior WRs, slow RBs, QBs who only start for one year, whatever. You can show them that subset X busts 90 percent of the time, and they come back with “10% of the time they hit!” as though it’s a comeback.

These people are intellectually destitute and not worth conversing with. Sadly, they seem to be multiplying here.

Didn’t you draft Aiyuk though lol

[StripesOfKC]

At his draft price I am thinking I am going to have quite a few Elijah Moore shares. I don't think he is getting any hype really as of now and ticks a lot of my boxes

[OhCruelestRanter]

Seems like simplistic, narrow minded analysis. Shouldn't a player's circumstances, obvious athleticism and production be analyzed for all prospects?

Now I know why super talented players like Brandon Aiyuk can have 8 or 9 rookie WRs ranked ahead of him going into his rookie draft, despite his pure superior physical talent and 1st round draft capital.

This is my favorite response. You explain why a certain subset of players are risky- be it senior WRs, slow RBs, QBs who only start for one year, whatever. You can show them that subset X busts 90 percent of the time, and they come back with “10% of the time they hit!” as though it’s a comeback.

These people are intellectually destitute and not worth conversing with. Sadly, they seem to be multiplying here.

Didn’t you draft Aiyuk though lol

Oh yeah. He was a first round WR that I could get in the middle of the 2nd round- after guys like Vaughn and even Moss in one league. But I wasn’t touting him as some great prospect either, I just didn’t see the difference between him and other flawed prospects like Pittman and Mims.

I would have loved it if Aiyuk pushed Jefferson or Higgins down to me so I could have an extra share of them, but that never happened. Instead I picked up capital to move off Pittman/Mims and ended up with Aiyuk. Same thing for Toney. I don’t want him, and I hope he pushes Moore and Co. down. But if he gets drafted in the first round of the NFL draft and I can still take him at the 2.08 or something, I might end up pulling the trigger.

[cantguardjake]

This is my favorite response. You explain why a certain subset of players are risky- be it senior WRs, slow RBs, QBs who only start for one year, whatever. You can show them that subset X busts 90 percent of the time, and they come back with “10% of the time they hit!” as though it’s a comeback.

These people are intellectually destitute and not worth conversing with. Sadly, they seem to be multiplying here.

Didn’t you draft Aiyuk though lol

Oh yeah. He was a first round WR that I could get in the middle of the 2nd round- after guys like Vaughn and even Moss in one league. But I wasn’t touting him as some great prospect either, I just didn’t see the difference between him and other flawed prospects like Pittman and Mims.

I would have loved it if Aiyuk pushed Jefferson or Higgins down to me so I could have an extra share of them, but that never happened. Instead I picked up capital to move off Pittman/Mims and ended up with Aiyuk. Same thing for Toney. I don’t want him, and I hope he pushes Moore and Co. down. But if he gets drafted in the first round of the NFL draft and I can still take him at the 2.08 or something, I might end up pulling the trigger.

Whilst I don’t disagree with you that response is a far cry from calling someone “intellectually destitute” for daring to suggest a senior wide receiver like Aiyuk should be evaluated on individual merit, which you literally just did

[Ice]

I think people are going to be fooled by these senior breakouts until the end of time. I hope he pushes down Bateman and Moore.

100%

Also add Terrace and Tamorrion to that list

Seems like simplistic, narrow minded analysis. Shouldn't a player's circumstances, obvious athleticism and production be analyzed for all prospects?

Now I know why super talented players like Brandon Aiyuk can have 8 or 9 rookie WRs ranked ahead of him going into his rookie draft, despite his pure superior physical talent and 1st round draft capital.

Hahaha That is an excellent post.

Of course the stat heads that never quite understood the old saying ," There are Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics", will push back with name calling and 8 or draft slots in rookie drafts to justify. 180 to 365 days on Earth really matter to the stat heads.

It is obvious the Uber Talented players declare early but the concept of late bloomers is lost on many.