2021 Rookie Tiers

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Re: 2021 Rookie Tiers

Postby tresskid84 » Mon Feb 01, 2021 5:27 pm

Tier 1 - Travis Etienne, Ja'Marr Chase
Tier 2 - Jaylen Waddle, DeVonta Smith, Najee Harris
Tier 3 - Rashod Bateman, Rondale Moore, Trevor Lawrence, Javonte Williams, Kyle Pitts
Tier 4 - Amon-Ra St Brown, Chuba Hubbard, Tylan Wallace, Justin Fields, Kenneth Gainwell, Terrace Marshall
Tier 5 - Michael Carter, Kadarius Toney, Zach Wilson, Elijah Moore, Trey Sermon, Pat Freiermuth
Tier 6 - Demetric Felton, Sage Surratt, Khalil Herbert, Brevin Jordan, Kylin Hill, Jaelon Darden, Tutu Atwell, Jaret Patterson, Dyami Brown, Trey Lance
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2 SF, 8 Flex

QB: Mayfield, Z Wilson, D Jones, Heinicke, Rudolph, Foles
RB: Herbert, Felton, Evans, Nwangwu, Calais
WR: D Smith, Waddle, Chark, J Palmer, D P-J, Raymond, Washington, Jauan, Darden, Fehoko, Smith-Marsette, C Johnson, Proche, Shi Smith, A Tate, ESB, JJAW
TE: O'Shaughnessy, Moreau, Granson, Tyree J, Hu Bryant, Hopkins, Fortson
2022 Picks: 1.01, 1.04, 1.11, 2.01, 2.09, and 3.02
2023 Picks: six 1sts, my 2nd

2021-Orphan Rebuild, 16tm PPR, SF, 1.5pr TE, DEVY:
1 QB, 1 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 SF, 3 Flex
Draft is rookies and devy (only 2022 NFL eligible)

QB: Tua, Fields, Brissett, Foles, Purdy(D), T Morgan(D)
RB: Etienne, Gainwell, Homer, T Jones, J Hill, Ragas, Sargent, Calais, Funk,
WR: Cephus, Nico, J Palmer, Gage, Quez, P Williams, JJAW, Strachan, Proche, Lil'Jordan, Shi Smith, Fryfogle(D)
TE: Moreau, Maxx, H Long, RSJ, Tyree J
2022 Picks: 1.02, 2.02, 2.12, 3.02, 3.07, 3.10, 3.11, 3.12, 3.15, 4.01, 4.02, 4.05, 4.07, 4.12, 4.15

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Re: 2021 Rookie Tiers

Postby KingsKing » Mon Feb 01, 2021 6:48 pm

Dynasty DeLorean wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:36 pm
cantguardjake wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:32 pm I feel like it’s going to be another lean year like 2019 for your model DD, there is essentially zero productive size / speed freaks this year.

Hopefully Harris turns in a low 4.5 to make it interesting.
Yeah, looking similar to 2019 so far. With regards to 40 times, etienne likely needs a high 4.3x or low 4.4x and najee needs a low 4.5x to make things interesting. There are people out there who do think both could happen, so we’ll see. Of course it’s going to be a mess with adjusting for pro day times. No combine really hurts.
Etienne looks like a 4.4 guy based on film, Harris is likely a high 4.5 to low 4.6 guy . Javonte Williams is the one who might surprise people , he was a solid track runner in high school and I wouldnt be shocked to see him run 4.4 at 220-225

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Re: 2021 Rookie Tiers

Postby Dynasty DeLorean » Mon Feb 01, 2021 7:24 pm

KingsKing wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 6:48 pm
Dynasty DeLorean wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:36 pm
cantguardjake wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:32 pm I feel like it’s going to be another lean year like 2019 for your model DD, there is essentially zero productive size / speed freaks this year.

Hopefully Harris turns in a low 4.5 to make it interesting.
Yeah, looking similar to 2019 so far. With regards to 40 times, etienne likely needs a high 4.3x or low 4.4x and najee needs a low 4.5x to make things interesting. There are people out there who do think both could happen, so we’ll see. Of course it’s going to be a mess with adjusting for pro day times. No combine really hurts.
Etienne looks like a 4.4 guy based on film, Harris is likely a high 4.5 to low 4.6 guy . Javonte Williams is the one who might surprise people , he was a solid track runner in high school and I wouldnt be shocked to see him run 4.4 at 220-225
I did not know that. Could vault him to RB1 easily if he runs a 4.4x and the others put up more lackluster times

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Re: 2021 Rookie Tiers

Postby Sriracha » Mon Feb 01, 2021 7:58 pm

Dynasty DeLorean wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 7:24 pm
KingsKing wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 6:48 pm
Dynasty DeLorean wrote: Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:36 pm

Yeah, looking similar to 2019 so far. With regards to 40 times, etienne likely needs a high 4.3x or low 4.4x and najee needs a low 4.5x to make things interesting. There are people out there who do think both could happen, so we’ll see. Of course it’s going to be a mess with adjusting for pro day times. No combine really hurts.
Etienne looks like a 4.4 guy based on film, Harris is likely a high 4.5 to low 4.6 guy . Javonte Williams is the one who might surprise people , he was a solid track runner in high school and I wouldnt be shocked to see him run 4.4 at 220-225
I did not know that. Could vault him to RB1 easily if he runs a 4.4x and the others put up more lackluster times
I expect Etienne to run 4.3x or 4.40, Harris to run 4.6x (would not surprise me if it were mid 4.6, either), Javonte ~4.47

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Re: 2021 Rookie Tiers

Postby DJB » Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:04 pm

Etienne could run a 4.0 flat, but its not going to changed the fact that he struggles to run between the tackles. He needs space.
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Re: 2021 Rookie Tiers

Postby cantguardjake » Fri Feb 05, 2021 5:13 am

DJB wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:04 pm Etienne could run a 4.0 flat, but its not going to changed the fact that he struggles to run between the tackles. He needs space.
That is such a myth.

Etienne is too fast for his own good. If he were slower he might actually get credit for the tackle breaking, tough runner that he actually is.

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Re: 2021 Rookie Tiers

Postby jjleurquin » Fri Feb 05, 2021 8:04 am

cantguardjake wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 5:13 am
DJB wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:04 pm Etienne could run a 4.0 flat, but its not going to changed the fact that he struggles to run between the tackles. He needs space.
That is such a myth.

Etienne is too fast for his own good. If he were slower he might actually get credit for the tackle breaking, tough runner that he actually is.
People will push narratives. We see it every year. I haven’t seen one valid argument against etienne yet. People see what others say and follow along. We live in a world where everyone wants the new shiny thing and since Etienne has been good since he entered college that’s not new and shiny. Najee on the other hand has shown more in this last season than he had prior so people like him more now because that’s shiny. Just like how Derrick Rose won the MVP over LeBron one year when he shouldn’t have.

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Re: 2021 Rookie Tiers

Postby Bronco Billy » Fri Feb 05, 2021 8:46 am

jjleurquin wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 8:04 am

I haven’t seen one valid argument against etienne yet.
Wow. The perfect RB. So we can expect multiple 2000+ yd rushing seasons?

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Re: 2021 Rookie Tiers

Postby DJB » Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:22 am

cantguardjake wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 5:13 am
DJB wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:04 pm Etienne could run a 4.0 flat, but its not going to changed the fact that he struggles to run between the tackles. He needs space.
That is such a myth.

Etienne is too fast for his own good. If he were slower he might actually get credit for the tackle breaking, tough runner that he actually is.
Explain to me how it's a myth?
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Re: 2021 Rookie Tiers

Postby Ice » Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:33 am

DJB wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:04 pm Etienne could run a 4.0 flat, but its not going to changed the fact that he struggles to run between the tackles. He needs space.
Didn't he lead the nation in yards after contact in 2019 in that vaunted RB group. Remember thinking he would have been the 1st RB selected last year.

Thinking you may be grasping at straws a bit here. My guess is he goes 1.1 in most rookie drafts this season.
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Re: 2021 Rookie Tiers

Postby DJB » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:45 am

Ice wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:33 am
DJB wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:04 pm Etienne could run a 4.0 flat, but its not going to changed the fact that he struggles to run between the tackles. He needs space.
Didn't he lead the nation in yards after contact in 2019 in that vaunted RB group. Remember thinking he would have been the 1st RB selected last year.

Thinking you may be grasping at straws a bit here. My guess is he goes 1.1 in most rookie drafts this season.
He has good contact balance no doubt, but he can pick up YAC to boost his stats via the passing game.

Its what I see on tape, needs large lanes, not a huge push, struggles with defenders right in his face.

Hes not the elite prospect many are making him out to be..

I won't argue with you about the 1.01 because many casual FF owners have a hand in ADP, but no chance would I take him 1.01. He won't be getting past Chase or Najee for me.
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Re: 2021 Rookie Tiers

Postby Ice » Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:21 am

DJB wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:45 am
Ice wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:33 am
DJB wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:04 pm Etienne could run a 4.0 flat, but its not going to changed the fact that he struggles to run between the tackles. He needs space.
Didn't he lead the nation in yards after contact in 2019 in that vaunted RB group. Remember thinking he would have been the 1st RB selected last year.

Thinking you may be grasping at straws a bit here. My guess is he goes 1.1 in most rookie drafts this season.
He has good contact balance no doubt, but he can pick up YAC to boost his stats via the passing game.

Its what I see on tape, needs large lanes, not a huge push, struggles with defenders right in his face.

Hes not the elite prospect many are making him out to be..

I won't argue with you about the 1.01 because many casual FF owners have a hand in ADP, but no chance would I take him 1.01. He won't be getting past Chase or Najee for me.
Yea,

I am going to disagree with you on this one.

The only question mark I have with this player in pass protection which should come in time.

I would comp this player as a blend of Cook and Kamara as a RB prospect.

Nothing wrong with going WR at 1.1 which I often do myself but he doesn't have a weakness through the hole inside with that speed, burst, and contact balance at all IMO.

He should be a star in the NFL if he stay healthy and a major fantasy force for years.
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Re: 2021 Rookie Tiers

Postby jjleurquin » Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:45 am

Bronco Billy wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 8:46 am
jjleurquin wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 8:04 am

I haven’t seen one valid argument against etienne yet.
Wow. The perfect RB. So we can expect multiple 2000+ yd rushing seasons?
This is not what making a valid argument looks like haha.

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Re: 2021 Rookie Tiers

Postby cantguardjake » Fri Feb 05, 2021 12:09 pm

Etienne literally led the NCAA in average yards per carry between the tackles at 8+ his freshman season, per PFF lol

He’s the only college player in history to have 2 1500 yard rushing seasons at 8+ ypc.

He set a PFF record for broken tackles per touch and broken tackle rate in 2019.

He doesn’t look like Zack Moss though so he can’t run inside.

My favourite Etienne stat is that in his junior year he had a total of 4 4th quarter carries for the entire season leading into the ACC championship game. He put up those numbers from 3 quarters a game.

He had 39 second half carries total compared to Chubbas 142 and Taylor’s 102.

On top of that he led all backs in receptions, yards and was top 3 in the nation (inclusive of wr) in yards after the catch this year, what more do people want lol

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Re: 2021 Rookie Tiers

Postby cantguardjake » Fri Feb 05, 2021 12:10 pm

Ice wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:21 am
DJB wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:45 am
Ice wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:33 am

Didn't he lead the nation in yards after contact in 2019 in that vaunted RB group. Remember thinking he would have been the 1st RB selected last year.

Thinking you may be grasping at straws a bit here. My guess is he goes 1.1 in most rookie drafts this season.
He has good contact balance no doubt, but he can pick up YAC to boost his stats via the passing game.

Its what I see on tape, needs large lanes, not a huge push, struggles with defenders right in his face.

Hes not the elite prospect many are making him out to be..

I won't argue with you about the 1.01 because many casual FF owners have a hand in ADP, but no chance would I take him 1.01. He won't be getting past Chase or Najee for me.
Yea,

I am going to disagree with you on this one.

The only question mark I have with this player in pass protection which should come in time.

I would comp this player as a blend of Cook and Kamara as a RB prospect.

Nothing wrong with going WR at 1.1 which I often do myself but he doesn't have a weakness through the hole inside with that speed, burst, and contact balance at all IMO.

He should be a star in the NFL if he stay healthy and a major fantasy force for years.
Agreed.


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