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Re: Week 12

Postby Forza_Azzurri » Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:58 pm

How did the defense let Diggs get so wide open for that interception?

16 Team PPR | QB (1) RB (2-4) WR (2-5) TE (1-2) K (1) | DT (1-2) DE (2-4) LB (2-5) CB (3-6) S (2-5)

|QB| J. Allen, D. Lock
|RB| A. Kamara, J. Jacobs, J. Mixon
|WR| C. Godwin, D.J. Moore, D.K. Metcalf, M. Gallup, J. Ross
|TE| M. Gesicki
|K| G. Zuerlein
|DT| S. Richardson, T. Bryan, T. Hill (taxi)
|DE| D. Lawrence, C. Young, Q. Williams
|LB| B. Wagner, L. Vander Esch, D. Trevathan, I. Simmons
|CB| S. Gilmore, D. Trufant, G. Conley, B. Jones
|S| M. Fitzpatrick, T. Walker, X. Woods, E. Murray
|2021 PICKS| 1.09 & 1.11
|2022 PICKS| #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6

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Re: Week 12

Postby Dynasty DeLorean » Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:00 pm

This game should be rated R. Just real sick and depraved stuff going on right now.

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Re: Week 12

Postby bjd5211 » Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:00 pm

jcc6fd wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:54 pm
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Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:51 pm
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Why isn’t Hurts getting more opportunity?
Because they're locked into Wentz for another 2 years with no cap-relief possible.

They're in a glass cage of emotion is what I'm trying to say.
I read a piece this week to this effect; that essentially Wentz’s contract makes benching him very difficult and that unless Hurts lights the world on fire going with him can only end badly.

I just can’t imagine things being any worse than they are now.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2021/

Eagles are 31st in 2021 projected cap space at -$63.5M

30th Atlanta: -$25M
32nd Saints: -$95M

So ya, they can't afford to bench his contract or the dead cap hits that would come with cutting or trading him. They're stuck with him for better or worse.

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Re: Week 12

Postby jordanzs » Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:01 pm

I'm now rooting for the Washington Football team to take the NFC east. Would be rad for Alex Smith make a push in the playoffs & win comeback player of the year.

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Re: Week 12

Postby perkinsrooster » Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:02 pm

Again with the 4th down call. Kick the FG and go down 1 score! Your D is playing well, what the heck are you doing? Pedersen thinks he's Schumacher driving a Ferrari but he's not even Super Mario driving a Lada.

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Re: Week 12

Postby jcc6fd » Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:05 pm

bjd5211 wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:00 pm
jcc6fd wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:54 pm
mild wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:51 pm


Because they're locked into Wentz for another 2 years with no cap-relief possible.

They're in a glass cage of emotion is what I'm trying to say.
I read a piece this week to this effect; that essentially Wentz’s contract makes benching him very difficult and that unless Hurts lights the world on fire going with him can only end badly.

I just can’t imagine things being any worse than they are now.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2021/

Eagles are 31st in 2021 projected cap space at -$63.5M

30th Atlanta: -$25M
32nd Saints: -$95M

So ya, they can't afford to bench his contract or the dead cap hits that would come with cutting or trading him. They're stuck with him for better or worse.
I get that they can’t cut him but that doesn’t mean they couldn’t bench him for the 2nd round QB they drafted on a rookie contract
10 Team Half PPR Scoring: 1QB 2RB 2WR 1TE 1Flex DST K
QB: Mahomes, Super Cam, Brady
RB: Cook, Fournette, Gurley, Henderson, Lindsay, Moss, Gaskin, M. Davis, J. Williams, Ito, Ty Johnson
WR: Julio, A.J. Brown, K. Allen, Cooks, TY, Perriman
TE: Kelce, Gronk, Cook
Taxi: Jalen Hurts

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Re: Week 12

Postby perkinsrooster » Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:08 pm

jcc6fd wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:05 pm
bjd5211 wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:00 pm
jcc6fd wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:54 pm


I read a piece this week to this effect; that essentially Wentz’s contract makes benching him very difficult and that unless Hurts lights the world on fire going with him can only end badly.

I just can’t imagine things being any worse than they are now.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2021/

Eagles are 31st in 2021 projected cap space at -$63.5M

30th Atlanta: -$25M
32nd Saints: -$95M

So ya, they can't afford to bench his contract or the dead cap hits that would come with cutting or trading him. They're stuck with him for better or worse.
I get that they can’t cut him but that doesn’t mean they couldn’t bench him for the 2nd round QB they drafted on a rookie contract
There are 2 possibilities.

1) Pedersen has seen him in practice and know he's worse than Wentz and that the issues go far beyond just the QB. (Likely)
2) Pedersen is trying to lose and get himself fired. (Less likely)

Having said that, after watching the Eagles fairly closely this year it's apparent to me that he's doing a terrible coaching job.

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Re: Week 12

Postby blemly » Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:13 pm

1 month ago a leaguemate came to me on my rebuilding team and offered me Dak AND 2nd for Wentz + McKissic + 5th. I had to read the offer 3x because I didn’t believe it, but he wanted to make a run in 2020. Poor guy.
Team 1: 12-team SF 0.5 PPR:
QB: Dak, Russ, Goff, Dalton
RB: CMC, Gibson, Sanders, Davis, Cohen
WR: DK, MT, Godwin, Chark, Samuel, Shepard, Mims
TE: Fant, Hurst, Knox
2.06, 2.11

Team 2: 14-team PPR SF TE Prem:
QB: Wilson, Burrow, Foles, Mullens
RB: Mixon, Gibson, Hines, Cohen
WR: DJM, Sutton, Landry, Renfrow
TE: Gesicki, Njoku, Trautman
2.05, 2.11, 2.13, 2.14

Team 3: 12-team PPR SF:
QB: Watson, Lawrence, Cam
RB: Barkley, Jacobs, Dobbins
WR: Hill, AJB, Arob, Woods, Perriman, Shenault
TE: Gesicki, OJH

Team 4 (Rebuild): 12-team PPR SF TE Prem
QB: Watson, Stafford
RB: Dobbins, Swift, Akers, Gibson
WR: Lamb, Diontae, Pittman, Mims, Shenault, Campbell, Shepard
TE: Knox, Jarwin, Trautman
1.04, 1.10, 2.04, 2.08

Team 5 (Rebuild): 12-team PPR SF:
QB: Dak
RB: Sanders, Dobbins, Pollard
WR: Sutton, DJM, Golladay, Pittman, Edwards, Kirk, Campbell, Mims, Hamler
TE: Herndon, Gesicki
2021: 1.02, 1.03, 1.05, 1.06, 2.02

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Re: Week 12

Postby jcc6fd » Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:14 pm

My personal theory is that this has almost nothing to do with Hurts and everything to do with Wentz contract. Since he’ll be on the team a minimum one more year and the team isn’t going anywhere there’s no reason to risk hurts development/health by putting him behind their line with limited weapons.

Now next year, if this continues, I’d expect them to turn to Hurts by mid season.
10 Team Half PPR Scoring: 1QB 2RB 2WR 1TE 1Flex DST K
QB: Mahomes, Super Cam, Brady
RB: Cook, Fournette, Gurley, Henderson, Lindsay, Moss, Gaskin, M. Davis, J. Williams, Ito, Ty Johnson
WR: Julio, A.J. Brown, K. Allen, Cooks, TY, Perriman
TE: Kelce, Gronk, Cook
Taxi: Jalen Hurts

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Re: Week 12

Postby perkinsrooster » Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:19 pm

jcc6fd wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:14 pm
My personal theory is that this has almost nothing to do with Hurts and everything to do with Wentz contract. Since he’ll be on the team a minimum one more year and the team isn’t going anywhere there’s no reason to risk hurts development/health by putting him behind their line with limited weapons.

Now next year, if this continues, I’d expect them to turn to Hurts by mid season.
I'd agree with that. Can the Eagles cut Wentz in 2022?

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Re: Week 12

Postby MFundercover » Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:24 pm

Miles Sanders usage tonight was pitiful. Pretty sure Scott outsnapped him for no reason.
Team 1 - 2020 Champion

12 team .5ppr. 1QB 2RB 2 WR 3 Flex 1 TE

QB: Watson, Wentz, Heinickie

RB: A Jones, Sanders, Robinson, Edmonds, Drake, Harris, Scott, R Freeman, Ballage

WR: Hopkins, Adams, Evans, Metcalf, Higgins, Sutton, Mooney, Reynolds, G Tate, K. Cole, Isabella, G Ward

TE: Henry, Everett, Njoku, Schultz

Taxi: Cephus, C Johnson

- 2021 5.12

Team 2 (Orphan)

QB: Watson, Wentz, Fitzpatrick, Stidham, Eason

RB: Jrob, Singletary, Moss, Breida, J Williams, Bowden, Yeldon

WR: Fuller, Reagor, Diontae, Campbell, G Tate, Alshon, Bourne, Ross, Erickson, Lee, Humphries, Collin Johnson, Peoples Jones

TE: Hurst, Cook, Eifert, Graham, Griffin, Hollister, Trautman

2021: 1.02, 3.02, 4.02, 5.02

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Re: Week 12

Postby bjd5211 » Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:27 pm

perkinsrooster wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:19 pm
jcc6fd wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:14 pm
My personal theory is that this has almost nothing to do with Hurts and everything to do with Wentz contract. Since he’ll be on the team a minimum one more year and the team isn’t going anywhere there’s no reason to risk hurts development/health by putting him behind their line with limited weapons.

Now next year, if this continues, I’d expect them to turn to Hurts by mid season.
I'd agree with that. Can the Eagles cut Wentz in 2022?
Yes they can, it will still be a fairly significant cap hit, but it won't be catastrophic like it would be in 2021.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/new ... vv2bxch107

Decent breakdown in this article. I can't get his Spotrac page to load for some reason with the full details.

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Re: Week 12

Postby jcc6fd » Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:32 pm

perkinsrooster wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:19 pm
jcc6fd wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:14 pm
My personal theory is that this has almost nothing to do with Hurts and everything to do with Wentz contract. Since he’ll be on the team a minimum one more year and the team isn’t going anywhere there’s no reason to risk hurts development/health by putting him behind their line with limited weapons.

Now next year, if this continues, I’d expect them to turn to Hurts by mid season.
I'd agree with that. Can the Eagles cut Wentz in 2022?
Dead cap hit in 2021 is $60M but falls to $39.5M in 2022. Seems very steep but I think if he doesn’t improve and they want to try Hurts they will make the switch in 2021 with the intention of cutting Wentz in 2022 while swallowing the hit

https://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/pos ... -is-tricky
10 Team Half PPR Scoring: 1QB 2RB 2WR 1TE 1Flex DST K
QB: Mahomes, Super Cam, Brady
RB: Cook, Fournette, Gurley, Henderson, Lindsay, Moss, Gaskin, M. Davis, J. Williams, Ito, Ty Johnson
WR: Julio, A.J. Brown, K. Allen, Cooks, TY, Perriman
TE: Kelce, Gronk, Cook
Taxi: Jalen Hurts

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Re: Week 12

Postby Forza_Azzurri » Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:48 pm

My take on the situation is that Wentz is a more physically gifted version of Kirk Cousin but with a worse contract ... for what ever reason the Eagles & Vikings invested money into imperfect QBs but never adapted to compensate for their QB’s inadequacies.

16 Team PPR | QB (1) RB (2-4) WR (2-5) TE (1-2) K (1) | DT (1-2) DE (2-4) LB (2-5) CB (3-6) S (2-5)

|QB| J. Allen, D. Lock
|RB| A. Kamara, J. Jacobs, J. Mixon
|WR| C. Godwin, D.J. Moore, D.K. Metcalf, M. Gallup, J. Ross
|TE| M. Gesicki
|K| G. Zuerlein
|DT| S. Richardson, T. Bryan, T. Hill (taxi)
|DE| D. Lawrence, C. Young, Q. Williams
|LB| B. Wagner, L. Vander Esch, D. Trevathan, I. Simmons
|CB| S. Gilmore, D. Trufant, G. Conley, B. Jones
|S| M. Fitzpatrick, T. Walker, X. Woods, E. Murray
|2021 PICKS| 1.09 & 1.11
|2022 PICKS| #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6

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Re: Week 12

Postby MFundercover » Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:50 pm

Forza_Azzurri wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:48 pm
My take on the situation is that Wentz is a more physically gifted version of Kirk Cousin but with a worse contract ... for what ever reason the Eagles & Vikings invested money into imperfect QBs but never adapted to compensate for their QB’s inadequacies.
Coming off 2017, Carson looked like a lot more than a more athletic Cousins. He was the MVP of the league before the injury, and the front office figured QB contracts were only going to increase over the years, so they wanted to lock him in before the market value went up.
Team 1 - 2020 Champion

12 team .5ppr. 1QB 2RB 2 WR 3 Flex 1 TE

QB: Watson, Wentz, Heinickie

RB: A Jones, Sanders, Robinson, Edmonds, Drake, Harris, Scott, R Freeman, Ballage

WR: Hopkins, Adams, Evans, Metcalf, Higgins, Sutton, Mooney, Reynolds, G Tate, K. Cole, Isabella, G Ward

TE: Henry, Everett, Njoku, Schultz

Taxi: Cephus, C Johnson

- 2021 5.12

Team 2 (Orphan)

QB: Watson, Wentz, Fitzpatrick, Stidham, Eason

RB: Jrob, Singletary, Moss, Breida, J Williams, Bowden, Yeldon

WR: Fuller, Reagor, Diontae, Campbell, G Tate, Alshon, Bourne, Ross, Erickson, Lee, Humphries, Collin Johnson, Peoples Jones

TE: Hurst, Cook, Eifert, Graham, Griffin, Hollister, Trautman

2021: 1.02, 3.02, 4.02, 5.02


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