The Kyle "Is not the" Pitts Thread
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Re: Kyle Pitts
Just going through the current draft order and looking for a team that can afford to take a TE that high despite other needs:
Jaguars - Lawrence
Jets - Fields
Bengals - Sewell
Panthers - QB
Falcons - Badly need defense. QB possible depending on their view of Matt Ryan.
Texans - Need defense or OL
Eagles - Probably defense here
Giants - Nope, Engram on the books for 2021
49ers - Nope
Chargers - Possible if they move on from Henry
Cowboys - Need defense
Broncos - Nope
Lions - Nope
Patriots - Maybe, but they need a QB
Vikings - Nope
Washington - Good fit here, but they need a QB
Next 2: Oakland (nope), Chicago (possibly, but more pressing needs)
That's the Top 18. So, 2 possibles and a maybe.
Jaguars - Lawrence
Jets - Fields
Bengals - Sewell
Panthers - QB
Falcons - Badly need defense. QB possible depending on their view of Matt Ryan.
Texans - Need defense or OL
Eagles - Probably defense here
Giants - Nope, Engram on the books for 2021
49ers - Nope
Chargers - Possible if they move on from Henry
Cowboys - Need defense
Broncos - Nope
Lions - Nope
Patriots - Maybe, but they need a QB
Vikings - Nope
Washington - Good fit here, but they need a QB
Next 2: Oakland (nope), Chicago (possibly, but more pressing needs)
That's the Top 18. So, 2 possibles and a maybe.
Re: Kyle Pitts
Miami owns the Texans pick, and they need a primary weapon for Tua. Yes they have Gesicki at TE already, but Pitts is basically a hybrid WR and if they decide Pitts is the best receiving weapon available then he makes a lot of sense for them.Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 4:37 pm Just going through the current draft order and looking for a team that can afford to take a TE that high despite other needs:
Jaguars - Lawrence
Jets - Fields
Bengals - Sewell
Panthers - QB
Falcons - Badly need defense. QB possible depending on their view of Matt Ryan.
Texans - Need defense or OL
Eagles - Probably defense here
Giants - Nope, Engram on the books for 2021
49ers - Nope
Chargers - Possible
Cowboys - Need defense
Broncos - Nope
Lions - Nope
Patriots - Maybe?
Vikings - Nope
Washington - Good fit here, but they need a QB
That's the Top 16. So, 2 possibles and a maybe.
Same thing really with Philly and NYG, the Giants especially with Engram being on the final year of his deal and being very unreliable, his Pro Bowl spot this year is extremely fraudulent and a clear result of name recognition. The Dolphins and Eagles could very easily end up taking Chase and Smith leaving Pitts as the best "WR" available for the Giants.
Edit: Also with the Eagles, Zach Ertz has been upset with his contract situation but the Eagles are in a very tight spot with the cap. There's almost no way they can afford to extend him and may have to cut him. Plus they have an extension with Goedert looming soon, and may have to let him walk in a year too if they are still tight on the cap. Adding Pitts means they can move on from Ertz fairly comfortably, and makes it a bit easier to stomach losing Goedert as well if they can't afford to retain him.
Also the Jets or Bengals could end up trading back with a team trying to get a QB if the Jets stick with Darnold (Bengals have little reason to stay at 3 if Jets took Sewell at 2) and end up as possible destinations.
Re: Kyle Pitts
So there are 6 franchise QBs in this draft worthy of a 1st round pick. That sounds like it will be a great QB class, even outside of Lawrence...
Re: Kyle Pitts
I seriously doubt the 6th best QB in this draft is as talented as Pitts, heck I'm not even sure the 2nd or 3rd is.
Regardless of positional needs, you can't predict how the draft will unfold. Pitts is getting drafted high. Top 15, good chance, Top 20 for sure.
Regardless of positional needs, you can't predict how the draft will unfold. Pitts is getting drafted high. Top 15, good chance, Top 20 for sure.
Re: Kyle Pitts
Anyone who follows the draft knows that you can’t predict how it unfolds. It’s fun to pretend, but impossible to do. Landing spot is a total unknown, but projected area of selection likely isn’t. The guy warrants a top 20 pick as an offensive weapon and will very likely be drafted as such.
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Re: Kyle Pitts
Absolutely a top 20 pick. Excited to land him with a mid 1st because the class is so stacked.
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Re: Kyle Pitts
Assuming he doesn't resign yeah.briank wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 1:19 pmYeah, except he's a free agent.Yarnith wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 1:13 pmI find it hard to believe the Chargers use a 1st on a TE with Henry on the roster. They are happy with him and he has had a good year.StripesOfKC wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 1:06 pm Not sure the Patriots take a non blocking TE
I could see Jaguars at the Rams pick though--highest I could imagine would be Chargers if they win this week and pick in the 9-10 range
DAL and PHI seem realistic to me.
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WR: A.J. Brown, A. Cooper, J. Dotson, C. Ridley, E. Moore, W. Robinson, J. Meyers, T. Marshall,
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TE: Pitts, Woods, Latu
Re: Kyle Pitts
Basically any team looking to add a weapon could use Pitts regardless of their TE situation. What team couldn't use more weapons? I feel like the only teams who are unrealistic for Pitts are those who need OL, QB, and defense while the top players at those positions are still on the board.bjd5211 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 4:57 pmMiami owns the Texans pick, and they need a primary weapon for Tua. Yes they have Gesicki at TE already, but Pitts is basically a hybrid WR and if they decide Pitts is the best receiving weapon available then he makes a lot of sense for them.Cameron Giles wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 4:37 pm Just going through the current draft order and looking for a team that can afford to take a TE that high despite other needs:
Jaguars - Lawrence
Jets - Fields
Bengals - Sewell
Panthers - QB
Falcons - Badly need defense. QB possible depending on their view of Matt Ryan.
Texans - Need defense or OL
Eagles - Probably defense here
Giants - Nope, Engram on the books for 2021
49ers - Nope
Chargers - Possible
Cowboys - Need defense
Broncos - Nope
Lions - Nope
Patriots - Maybe?
Vikings - Nope
Washington - Good fit here, but they need a QB
That's the Top 16. So, 2 possibles and a maybe.
Same thing really with Philly and NYG, the Giants especially with Engram being on the final year of his deal and being very unreliable, his Pro Bowl spot this year is extremely fraudulent and a clear result of name recognition. The Dolphins and Eagles could very easily end up taking Chase and Smith leaving Pitts as the best "WR" available for the Giants.
Edit: Also with the Eagles, Zach Ertz has been upset with his contract situation but the Eagles are in a very tight spot with the cap. There's almost no way they can afford to extend him and may have to cut him. Plus they have an extension with Goedert looming soon, and may have to let him walk in a year too if they are still tight on the cap. Adding Pitts means they can move on from Ertz fairly comfortably, and makes it a bit easier to stomach losing Goedert as well if they can't afford to retain him.
Also the Jets or Bengals could end up trading back with a team trying to get a QB if the Jets stick with Darnold (Bengals have little reason to stay at 3 if Jets took Sewell at 2) and end up as possible destinations.
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RB CMC
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Re: Kyle Pitts
if he's drafted by jags or chargers... he will climb rookies draft a lot!
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RB: E.Elliott,James Robinson, Chris Carson, L.Fournette, T.Etienne , Tony Pollard,hassan haskins,donta foreman, jaylen warren
WR: Justin Jefferson A.J Brown, M.Thomas, Marquise Brown, T.Lockett, skyy moore, romeo doubs, alec pierce Donovan Peoples-Jones, J.Palmer
TE: kyle pitts, juwan johnson,mckitty
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WR: J.Chase,Garett Wilson , B.Aiyuk, C.Sutton, R.Bateman, G.Davis, M.Hardman,J.Palmer,
TE: D.Waller R.Tonyan, B.Jordan, Cameron Brate, Cade Otton, G.Everett
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WR: Justin Jefferson A.J Brown, M.Thomas, Marquise Brown, T.Lockett, skyy moore, romeo doubs, alec pierce Donovan Peoples-Jones, J.Palmer
TE: kyle pitts, juwan johnson,mckitty
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WR: J.Chase,Garett Wilson , B.Aiyuk, C.Sutton, R.Bateman, G.Davis, M.Hardman,J.Palmer,
TE: D.Waller R.Tonyan, B.Jordan, Cameron Brate, Cade Otton, G.Everett
Re: Kyle Pitts
In an effort to overcome my bias against taking a TE in the first round; can someone explain to me why he's so much better than the litany of other 1st round TE's that haven't had fantasy success?
I understand his body control/contested catch ability is pretty spectacular... but you need more than that to succeed at the NFL level
What specific parts of his game have people so much more optimistic that his game will translate to the NFL than: Ebron, Njoku, Engram (other undersized TEs taken in the 1st round)? The sub 250lb, projected 4.68 40 TE doesn't inspire a ton of confidence for me.
I understand his body control/contested catch ability is pretty spectacular... but you need more than that to succeed at the NFL level
What specific parts of his game have people so much more optimistic that his game will translate to the NFL than: Ebron, Njoku, Engram (other undersized TEs taken in the 1st round)? The sub 250lb, projected 4.68 40 TE doesn't inspire a ton of confidence for me.
Re: Kyle Pitts
Any danger in him transitioning to WR? I am considering him at 1.03 or 1.05 in a 2ppr TE prem. If he doesn’t get listed a TE, big blow to value
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Pitts, Likely
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Wilson, Nacua, Flowers, Downs, Wicks, Renfrow, Ross, Bell, Metchie
Pitts, Woods
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1-2QB, 2-6RB, 2-6WR, 1-5TE
10 starters, 28 roster spots
Kyler Murray, Rudolph, Brissett, Brady
Keaton Mitchell, scrubs
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12 Team, SF, PPR, TEP (2PPR)
1-2QB, 2-5RB, 3-6WR, 1-4TE
10 starters, 28 roster spots
Lawrence, Richardson, Young, Mac Jones, Lance, Brady, Bennnet, Haener
Bijan, Charbonnet, Strong Jr., scrubs
Wilson, Nacua, Flowers, Downs, Wicks, Renfrow, Ross, Bell, Metchie
Pitts, Woods
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Re: Kyle Pitts
I'll go first, I have never seen a college TE with the speed/size combo he has, and teh red zone success..... I don't think LB's or nickel backs will be able to keep up with him and he is too tall for a CB. He is going to be a match up nightmare.Sriracha wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:12 pm In an effort to overcome my bias against taking a TE in the first round; can someone explain to me why he's so much better than the litany of other 1st round TE's that haven't had fantasy success?
I understand his body control/contested catch ability is pretty spectacular... but you need more than that to succeed at the NFL level
What specific parts of his game have people so much more optimistic that his game will translate to the NFL than: Ebron, Njoku, Engram (other undersized TEs taken in the 1st round)? The sub 250lb, projected 4.68 40 TE doesn't inspire a ton of confidence for me.
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Re: Kyle Pitts
Whoever takes him will hopefully be doing it with a scheme in mind already for him.
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Re: Kyle Pitts
Definitely a possibility, but it doesn't benefit a team to do that.
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RB CMC/Zeke/Mixon/Sanders
WR Evans/Godwin/Robinson/Golladay/Thielen/Lockett/Fuller
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12 tm tiered PPR Superflex start 10
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WR Adams/Hill/Diggs/AJ Brown/Aiyuk/Woods/R. Moore
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