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Re: Kyle Pitts

Postby JTLoh » Fri May 14, 2021 6:07 pm

Shoreline Steamers wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 5:48 pm
Ice wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 5:37 pm
JTLoh wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 9:13 am Is there any significate chance he gets moved to WR?
Like Marques Colston did after his first year?
The real question is will he play like a WR? That answer is YES....Pitts is going to be a stud and he is the best pass catcher in this draft no matter what he is called.

BTW, Colston in the NFL was always a WR. He was never a TE in the NFL.
It's not that he actually was a TE once he got to the NFL. He wasn't. But there were hosting sites that listed him as such, and it was a huge positional advantage to whomever owned him until that got cleaned-up. You probably remember that though.
Exactly.
Thanks for the details. I didn't remember the how/why but he definitely was a TE by alot of sites. And it was a HUGE advantage.
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Re: Kyle Pitts

Postby Ice » Fri May 14, 2021 6:38 pm

JTLoh wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 6:07 pm
Shoreline Steamers wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 5:48 pm
Ice wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 5:37 pm

The real question is will he play like a WR? That answer is YES....Pitts is going to be a stud and he is the best pass catcher in this draft no matter what he is called.

BTW, Colston in the NFL was always a WR. He was never a TE in the NFL.
It's not that he actually was a TE once he got to the NFL. He wasn't. But there were hosting sites that listed him as such, and it was a huge positional advantage to whomever owned him until that got cleaned-up. You probably remember that though.
Exactly.
Thanks for the details. I didn't remember the how/why but he definitely was a TE by alot of sites. And it was a HUGE advantage.
There were a few pretty stupid sites like ESPN back in the day that simply didn't have a clue what they were doing.

It was nothing more than legal cheating IMO. We never used those sites but I do remember.
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Re: Kyle Pitts

Postby jordanzs » Fri May 14, 2021 6:47 pm

Ice wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 6:38 pm
JTLoh wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 6:07 pm
Shoreline Steamers wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 5:48 pm

It's not that he actually was a TE once he got to the NFL. He wasn't. But there were hosting sites that listed him as such, and it was a huge positional advantage to whomever owned him until that got cleaned-up. You probably remember that though.
Exactly.
Thanks for the details. I didn't remember the how/why but he definitely was a TE by alot of sites. And it was a HUGE advantage.
There were a few pretty stupid sites like ESPN back in the day that simply didn't have a clue what they were doing.

It was nothing more than legal cheating IMO. We never used those sites but I do remember.
I'll vouch that for Colston's rookie year, Yahoo allowed him to be played as a TE or a WR. It sure was an advantage. I remember Woodhead being eligible as a RB/WR, that made a little more sense. And weren't there some sites last year that allowed Taysom Hill to be played as a TE?

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Re: Kyle Pitts

Postby Ice » Fri May 14, 2021 6:49 pm

jordanzs wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 6:47 pm
Ice wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 6:38 pm
JTLoh wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 6:07 pm

Exactly.
Thanks for the details. I didn't remember the how/why but he definitely was a TE by alot of sites. And it was a HUGE advantage.
There were a few pretty stupid sites like ESPN back in the day that simply didn't have a clue what they were doing.

It was nothing more than legal cheating IMO. We never used those sites but I do remember.
I'll vouch that for Colston's rookie year, Yahoo allowed him to be played as a TE or a WR. It sure was an advantage. I remember Woodhead being eligible as a RB/WR, that made a little more sense. And weren't there some sites last year that allowed Taysom Hill to be played as a TE?
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Re: Kyle Pitts

Postby Shoreline Steamers » Fri May 14, 2021 7:03 pm

jordanzs wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 6:47 pm I'll vouch that for Colston's rookie year, Yahoo allowed him to be played as a TE or a WR. It sure was an advantage. I remember Woodhead being eligible as a RB/WR, that made a little more sense. And weren't there some sites last year that allowed Taysom Hill to be played as a TE?
I believe there were (ESPN again as a culprit). But I think that got fixed after a week or two, because everyone I know was complaining about it vocally!
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We Starting Pitts Now?

Postby wickerkat1212 » Mon Oct 11, 2021 2:41 pm

We've had a lot of discussions on Pitts in here, and I had him started in both leagues this week due to my other options not being great. I'll take those 26 points for sure. SO...the big questions.

1. Has Pitts arrived or was ATL just depleted/injured?
2. You starting him now?
3. This can only get better, right? Though ATL is a bit of a mess.

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D3:
QB—Allen RB—Kamara, Jacobs, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Harrison, TILLMAN, Marshall, Jefferson TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington KRAFT PK—Prater DEF—BAL

D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC RB—BIJAN, Conner, Gainwell, Gainwell, HULL, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin, Murray WR—Jefferson, Hill, Diggs, Adams, Allen, TILLMAN, Boyd, Woods, HUTCHINSON, DOUGLAS TE—Kelce, Kmet, Schultz, Parham PK—Butker DEF—PIT

Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield, Howell RB—BIJAN, Kamara, Allgeier, Singletary, Mostert, BRob, Warren, HULL, GRAY WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, Myers, Hardman, Reynolds BOUTTE TE—Kmet, Smith, Hurst, Ertz, KRAFT PK—Elliott DEF—PHI

Superflex 2:
QB: Goff, Cousins, Wentz, White; RB: BIJAN, BRob, ZWhite, Hines, TDP, McLaughlin WR: Higgins, JSN, JWilliams, DJM, RMoore, DOWNS, Atwell, TILLMAN, BOUTTE, SMoore, PCampbell, DPJ, ATP, CJONES TE: Trautman, Ferguson, KRAFT, Hooper

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Re: We Starting Pitts Now?

Postby CGW » Mon Oct 11, 2021 2:49 pm

If you expect 26 points weekly, you may be disappointed. Is he a startable TE1? Yeah, id venture to say he's as good a bet as any of the TE4 to TE15 are. Short term hes a high ceiling, low floor TE1. Long term is where his value lies.

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Re: We Starting Pitts Now?

Postby gpaok » Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:17 pm

1. Has Pitts arrived or was ATL just depleted/injured?
2. You starting him now?

I think both of these statements are accurate - this was a sample of 1 with no WR for ATL, against a bad team, but he is start-able due to how inconsistent other TEs are. There is another thread here where pretty much it highlights the difference between a true TE1 - the wannabe TE1 which every year change and then the firework TE2/3.
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Re: We Starting Pitts Now?

Postby wickerkat1212 » Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:20 am

CGW wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 2:49 pm If you expect 26 points weekly, you may be disappointed. Is he a startable TE1? Yeah, id venture to say he's as good a bet as any of the TE4 to TE15 are. Short term he's a high ceiling, low floor TE1. Long-term is where his value lies.
Oh I don't expect 26 points every week, no. Just asking if he's a guy we're starting now. I agree with you on the TE4-15. Slim pickings out there these days.
D3:
QB—Allen RB—Kamara, Jacobs, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Harrison, TILLMAN, Marshall, Jefferson TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington KRAFT PK—Prater DEF—BAL

D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC RB—BIJAN, Conner, Gainwell, Gainwell, HULL, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin, Murray WR—Jefferson, Hill, Diggs, Adams, Allen, TILLMAN, Boyd, Woods, HUTCHINSON, DOUGLAS TE—Kelce, Kmet, Schultz, Parham PK—Butker DEF—PIT

Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield, Howell RB—BIJAN, Kamara, Allgeier, Singletary, Mostert, BRob, Warren, HULL, GRAY WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, Myers, Hardman, Reynolds BOUTTE TE—Kmet, Smith, Hurst, Ertz, KRAFT PK—Elliott DEF—PHI

Superflex 2:
QB: Goff, Cousins, Wentz, White; RB: BIJAN, BRob, ZWhite, Hines, TDP, McLaughlin WR: Higgins, JSN, JWilliams, DJM, RMoore, DOWNS, Atwell, TILLMAN, BOUTTE, SMoore, PCampbell, DPJ, ATP, CJONES TE: Trautman, Ferguson, KRAFT, Hooper

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Re: We Starting Pitts Now?

Postby wickerkat1212 » Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:20 am

gpaok wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:17 pm 1. Has Pitts arrived or was ATL just depleted/injured?
2. You starting him now?

I think both of these statements are accurate - this was a sample of 1 with no WR for ATL, against a bad team, but he is start-able due to how inconsistent other TEs are. There is another thread here where pretty much it highlights the difference between a true TE1 - the wannabe TE1 which every year change and then the firework TE2/3.
Thanks. Do you have a link to that TE thread?
D3:
QB—Allen RB—Kamara, Jacobs, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Harrison, TILLMAN, Marshall, Jefferson TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington KRAFT PK—Prater DEF—BAL

D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC RB—BIJAN, Conner, Gainwell, Gainwell, HULL, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin, Murray WR—Jefferson, Hill, Diggs, Adams, Allen, TILLMAN, Boyd, Woods, HUTCHINSON, DOUGLAS TE—Kelce, Kmet, Schultz, Parham PK—Butker DEF—PIT

Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield, Howell RB—BIJAN, Kamara, Allgeier, Singletary, Mostert, BRob, Warren, HULL, GRAY WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, Myers, Hardman, Reynolds BOUTTE TE—Kmet, Smith, Hurst, Ertz, KRAFT PK—Elliott DEF—PHI

Superflex 2:
QB: Goff, Cousins, Wentz, White; RB: BIJAN, BRob, ZWhite, Hines, TDP, McLaughlin WR: Higgins, JSN, JWilliams, DJM, RMoore, DOWNS, Atwell, TILLMAN, BOUTTE, SMoore, PCampbell, DPJ, ATP, CJONES TE: Trautman, Ferguson, KRAFT, Hooper

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Re: We Starting Pitts Now?

Postby Pac_Eddy » Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:39 am

Matt Ryan is a good QB who has had a down streak to start the year. Ironic that he finally got back to good play with his top WRs out, but I think with Ryan back, Pitts will be startable.

Startable is a low bar for TEs these days, so Pitts may be a top 6 regular start very soon, if not already. He's getting decent targets and flashed his abilities.
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Re: We Starting Pitts Now?

Postby Anteaters » Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:45 am

CGW wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 2:49 pm If you expect 26 points weekly, you may be disappointed. Is he a startable TE1? Yeah, id venture to say he's as good a bet as any of the TE4 to TE15 are. Short term hes a high ceiling, low floor TE1.
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Re: We Starting Pitts Now?

Postby wickerkat1212 » Tue Oct 12, 2021 11:07 am

Pac_Eddy wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:39 am Matt Ryan is a good QB who has had a down streak to start the year. Ironic that he finally got back to good play with his top WRs out, but I think with Ryan back, Pitts will be startable.

Startable is a low bar for TEs these days, so Pitts may be a top 6 regular start very soon, if not already. He's getting decent targets and flashed his abilities.
Yep. Thanks.
D3:
QB—Allen RB—Kamara, Jacobs, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Harrison, TILLMAN, Marshall, Jefferson TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington KRAFT PK—Prater DEF—BAL

D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC RB—BIJAN, Conner, Gainwell, Gainwell, HULL, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin, Murray WR—Jefferson, Hill, Diggs, Adams, Allen, TILLMAN, Boyd, Woods, HUTCHINSON, DOUGLAS TE—Kelce, Kmet, Schultz, Parham PK—Butker DEF—PIT

Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield, Howell RB—BIJAN, Kamara, Allgeier, Singletary, Mostert, BRob, Warren, HULL, GRAY WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, Myers, Hardman, Reynolds BOUTTE TE—Kmet, Smith, Hurst, Ertz, KRAFT PK—Elliott DEF—PHI

Superflex 2:
QB: Goff, Cousins, Wentz, White; RB: BIJAN, BRob, ZWhite, Hines, TDP, McLaughlin WR: Higgins, JSN, JWilliams, DJM, RMoore, DOWNS, Atwell, TILLMAN, BOUTTE, SMoore, PCampbell, DPJ, ATP, CJONES TE: Trautman, Ferguson, KRAFT, Hooper

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Re: We Starting Pitts Now?

Postby Oddball456 » Tue Oct 12, 2021 11:44 am

I have been starting him every week since week 1. My other options are Goedert, Higbee, and Njoku.

I figured year one, just given the TE landscape, he would be startable pretty much all year. I am really looking forward to years 2-8+.

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Re: We Starting Pitts Now?

Postby Jigga94 » Tue Oct 12, 2021 12:19 pm

I think most already were... In dynasty, if you earned the pick to draft him, you probably don't have a better TE option and were starting him from the start. If you traded for him, you likely believed enough that he would come around soon enough.

Maybe some people have a Kittle, Kelce, Andrews, Hock to start over him for now, but I'd guess that is the minority of Pitts owners. I didn't expect a huge rookie year, but he's a different kind of TE. Now, don't expect that kind of week often, but he's got the ceiling to do it. And his floor is pretty good in that offense. Bad team should be trailing often and he's at worst the 3rd option, but really should be 1b behind Ridley

In redraft, he was going as a top 5 TE. I wanted no part of him due to my doubts of him as a rookie, but I don't think anyone regrets drafting him in redraft either


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