The Kyle "Is not the" Pitts Thread

[Pullo Vision]

I do, although I don't really think there is a bad spot for him. In ATL though he could really start strong, Ryan loves going to the TE and defenses are going to already have Julio and Calvin to deal with, but I think it's QB at 4 just not sure if it's going to be ATL making the pick or not.

Idk man. How many targets is he going to get from Matt Ryan early on with Julio, Ridley, Hurst, and Gage all on the roster, and Arthur Smith calling the plays? Then going forward they have to replace an aging Ryan?

I think Cincinnati, with Burrow already in place, only Higgins and Boyd to compete for targets with, and a trash defense that will force them to play catch-up is a much better spot.

I agree with you though- I think a QB goes 4th, whether or not it’s to Atlanta is unclear.

Austin Hooper got 97 in 13 games with those guys in 2019. People get too freaked out about receivers "stealing targets" from each other on loaded teams, more weapons just make each others jobs easier. Plus Julio is coming off a fairly injury plagued year, if that continues their receiving corps won't be nearly the same as it currently looks on paper.

I'd be careful using that as a basis for "Atlanta's TE will be great!" The OC at the time was a major fan of TEs in general and placed them prominently in the passing offense.

[jenkins.math]

Idk man. How many targets is he going to get from Matt Ryan early on with Julio, Ridley, Hurst, and Gage all on the roster, and Arthur Smith calling the plays? Then going forward they have to replace an aging Ryan?

I think Cincinnati, with Burrow already in place, only Higgins and Boyd to compete for targets with, and a trash defense that will force them to play catch-up is a much better spot.

I agree with you though- I think a QB goes 4th, whether or not it’s to Atlanta is unclear.

Austin Hooper got 97 in 13 games with those guys in 2019. People get too freaked out about receivers "stealing targets" from each other on loaded teams, more weapons just make each others jobs easier. Plus Julio is coming off a fairly injury plagued year, if that continues their receiving corps won't be nearly the same as it currently looks on paper.

I'd be careful using that as a basis for "Atlanta's TE will be great!" The OC at the time was a major fan of TEs in general and placed them prominently in the passing offense.

They also threw more than just about anyone in the NFL as well during that time.

I'm very curious to see what Arthur Smith does with that offense. He doesn't have Derrick Henry so I'm sure he will throw more than he did but it is still a bit of a mystery. It's not like Smith has a long history calling offenses where we can pick up on certain tendencies with any certainty.

[killer_of_giants]

I'm very curious to see what Arthur Smith does with that offense. He doesn't have Derrick Henry so I'm sure he will throw more than he did but it is still a bit of a mystery. It's not like Smith has a long history calling offenses where we can pick up on certain tendencies with any certainty.

i think he's smart enough to play to his team strengths. although i could see them picking sewell to have more consistency in the run game. but if pitts ends up there, he will be used.

[Ice]

-The biggest knock on Pitts would probably be his ability at the point of attack: His 63.7 run-block grade ranked 128th among 366 qualified tight ends last season.

-Pitts lined up in the slot or out wide on 42% of his snaps during his three-year career at Florida.

Certainly sounds like a receiving specialist.

https://www.pff.com/news/fantasy-footba ... kyle-pitts

Precisely why he is a top 2 receiving threat in this fantasy draft IMO. His production in space is outstanding and NFL teams are not stupid.

No way they put a square peg in a round hole so to speak with this player.

[OhCruelestRanter]

-The biggest knock on Pitts would probably be his ability at the point of attack: His 63.7 run-block grade ranked 128th among 366 qualified tight ends last season.

-Pitts lined up in the slot or out wide on 42% of his snaps during his three-year career at Florida.

Certainly sounds like a receiving specialist.

https://www.pff.com/news/fantasy-footba ... kyle-pitts

Precisely why he is a top 2 receiving threat in this fantasy draft IMO. His production in space is outstanding and NFL teams are not stupid.

No way they put a square peg in a round hole so to speak with this player.

I like Pitts, I’m optimistic that he’s a future superstar, but remember when Seattle traded a 29 year old former All Pro center and a first round pick for Jimmy Graham, who was one of the best receiving TEs ever through his first 5 years, and then asked Graham to block and gave him 265 targets over 3 years?

NFL teams do dumb things all. the. time. Nobody should be surprised if any of these guys are misused, especially Pitts.

[cazzie33]

-The biggest knock on Pitts would probably be his ability at the point of attack: His 63.7 run-block grade ranked 128th among 366 qualified tight ends last season.

-Pitts lined up in the slot or out wide on 42% of his snaps during his three-year career at Florida.

Certainly sounds like a receiving specialist.

https://www.pff.com/news/fantasy-footba ... kyle-pitts

Precisely why he is a top 2 receiving threat in this fantasy draft IMO. His production in space is outstanding and NFL teams are not stupid.

No way they put a square peg in a round hole so to speak with this player.

Obviously you slept through the Adam Gase era or Coach Matt Patricia , GM Matt Millen eras in Detroit , Rich Kotite ... Point being there are dumb bleep coaches who outthink themselves and almost seemingly go out of their way to not utilize or say utilize a player as a decoy. Look how long it took Tennessee to decide if you have Henry you better use him in volume to wear down the opponents. Why draft him so high then use him inefficiently .

Pagano & the Colts basically drove Luck out of football by overuse which is the flipside but shows that they aren't really all that bright about using the talent that they have.

Then there's the Jordan Love pick ... Genius !

[Ice]

I should have included the word MOST.

[Footballisacoolsport]

Pitts is that dude and I'm spending a high first rounder on him. If he sucks I'll learn a valuable lesson and get better for it. The only guy more talented in this draft IMO is TLaw. I fully expect Pitts to be an immediate superstar in the league and dynasty TE1 by the end of his rookie year if it even takes that long.

[Sriracha]

Pitts is that dude and I'm spending a high first rounder on him. If he sucks I'll learn a valuable lesson and get better for it. The only guy more talented in this draft IMO is TLaw. I fully expect Pitts to be an immediate superstar in the league and dynasty TE1 by the end of his rookie year if it even takes that long.

This guy's buying the hype

[krtbuckeye]

Pitts is that dude and I'm spending a high first rounder on him. If he sucks I'll learn a valuable lesson and get better for it. The only guy more talented in this draft IMO is TLaw. I fully expect Pitts to be an immediate superstar in the league and dynasty TE1 by the end of his rookie year if it even takes that long.

This guy's buying the hype

Good gravy! You're not kidding...I will say, I can appreciate the enthusiasm, even if I'm decidedly not that bought in on Pitts. I don't even know if Pitts' mom is THAT bought in. I like Pitts, and I think he'll be a good...heck maybe even great player, but this hype train is off the tracks and in a different state sliding on ice, no slowing down in sight.

[dynastyninja]

I've always maintained that it's not worth buying TEs in the first round in non-TE premium leagues. Pitts could be the exception, though, so it's very hard to know. Situation will be extremely important here, so let's see what happens in the draft.

[Jigga94]

Pitts is that dude and I'm spending a high first rounder on him. If he sucks I'll learn a valuable lesson and get better for it. The only guy more talented in this draft IMO is TLaw. I fully expect Pitts to be an immediate superstar in the league and dynasty TE1 by the end of his rookie year if it even takes that long.

Pitts startup 1.01

[OhCruelestRanter]

Pitts is that dude and I'm spending a high first rounder on him. If he sucks I'll learn a valuable lesson and get better for it. The only guy more talented in this draft IMO is TLaw. I fully expect Pitts to be an immediate superstar in the league and dynasty TE1 by the end of his rookie year if it even takes that long.

Read this in Howard Dean’s voice.

[Footballisacoolsport]

This guy's buying the hype

Good gravy! You're not kidding...I will say, I can appreciate the enthusiasm, even if I'm decidedly not that bought in on Pitts. I don't even know if Pitts' mom is THAT bought in. I like Pitts, and I think he'll be a good...heck maybe even great player, but this hype train is off the tracks and in a different state sliding on ice, no slowing down in sight.

Haha!! I wouldn't say I'm buying the hype, I do my own prospect studying without groupthink, but I'm certainly adding gasoline to it! My process is that I watch a lot of film first, take notes of my observations, then see what the trends were in my notes. "Are his flaws coachable?" or "Are his positives coachable?" are questions I like to research. It gives me an understanding of a guy's potential room for growth, or potential to make an immediate impact at the next level. A lot of the time with later round prospects these things will hinge on X, Y or Z, so I just try to find the best talent regardless of landing spot, position, competition etc. I also favor athletic profiles and college dominance (who doesn't?). It's worked well for me so far. Right now I feel if I were to take the positional history of Tight Ends into account (and I have studied this), I'd be undermining the process that's worked for me, which isn't something I want to do until I whiff!

Here's a quote from his mom, who is definitely bought in:
“Everyone is just beginning to see what I already knew from the beginning, from his childhood, growing up playing football,” said Pitts’ mother, Theresa Pitts. “I know he had it in him. He just had to be patient and continue to push forward to get to where he needs to be with his skill level. So, everyone is just learning what I already knew.”

Read this in Howard Dean’s voice.

Lmao!!!!!! I had to go watch that speech. That's definitely the voice I hear in my head when I see highlights.

[Sriracha]

I've always maintained that it's not worth buying TEs in the first round in non-TE premium leagues. Pitts could be the exception, though, so it's very hard to know. Situation will be extremely important here, so let's see what happens in the draft.

I was all aboard this train of thought until:

- We saw that he's a freak athlete on top of being highly productive, and a film watcher's dream.
- We saw literally every single high profile player disappoint in the pre-draft process:
* Chase weighed in at 201
* Rondale Moore came in at 5'7
* Devonta, Harris, and Waddle all refused to test; Devonta refused to even step on the scale
* Bateman came in 2" shorter and 20lbs lighter than expected

Does any of that mean these guys are going to bust in the NFL? Hell no! But it does add another layer of risk to what I thought were pretty air-tight profiles coming into the process.

At this point after ETN, Harris and the 5 QBs I'm probably taking Pitts