The Kyle "Is not the" Pitts Thread

[jenkins.math]

Saw a comment in the Team Advice forum that made me think. A guy was considering trading Godwin for Travis Kelce straight up and debating the pros and cons.

It's far easier to draft or replace WR production than elite TE production. Even if the odds of hitting on Pitts are lower, the reward may be higher just from the scarcity of high producing TEs. Landing spot will be a decent size factor for me. This draft season is going to be fun.

What you’re saying makes perfect sense. My problem with that though is the history of predicting fantasy relevant TE is absolutely atrocious. Have we all of a sudden figured it out, or is Pitts just a once in a lifetime type of prospect? The positional scarcity is a big factor, but so is the risk of trusting TE evaluations.

Pitts was the first player to run a 4.4 measuring 6'5" since Calvin Johnson. First TE to finish top 10 in Heisman voting in 50 years. Largest wingspan for any WR or TE in 20 years. The evidence is lending itself more towards Pitts just being a super special and rare prospect that defies the conventional logic.

[SStory93]

Just traded for 1.01 in a league I already had acquired 1.02. Right now I would take Chase and Pitts.

I like don't love the RBs...Chase and Pitts are straight up freaks. Give me the freaks.

*landing spots could still affect this take

Mind sharing what you traded to move up?

[skinfanjon]

Just traded for 1.01 in a league I already had acquired 1.02. Right now I would take Chase and Pitts.

I like don't love the RBs...Chase and Pitts are straight up freaks. Give me the freaks.

*landing spots could still affect this take

Mind sharing what you traded to move up?

I sent 1.05, 2.01, and late 2022 1st and late 2022 2nd
Got 1.01 and 3.01

Is it a lot? Yes. Do I care? No lol. It's FFPC so all I really care about are studs. This is the final move of a rebuild that I expect to push me firmly into a long championship window. Barkley, Dobbins, Jefferson, Ridley, Lamb, Chase, and Pitts.

[briank]

Saw a comment in the Team Advice forum that made me think. A guy was considering trading Godwin for Travis Kelce straight up and debating the pros and cons.

It's far easier to draft or replace WR production than elite TE production. Even if the odds of hitting on Pitts are lower, the reward may be higher just from the scarcity of high producing TEs. Landing spot will be a decent size factor for me. This draft season is going to be fun.

What you’re saying makes perfect sense. My problem with that though is the history of predicting fantasy relevant TE is absolutely atrocious. Have we all of a sudden figured it out, or is Pitts just a once in a lifetime type of prospect? The positional scarcity is a big factor, but so is the risk of trusting TE evaluations.

Pitts was the first player to run a 4.4 measuring 6'5" since Calvin Johnson. First TE to finish top 10 in Heisman voting in 50 years. Largest wingspan for any WR or TE in 20 years. The evidence is lending itself more towards Pitts just being a super special and rare prospect that defies the conventional logic.

I absolutely think he's a special prospect and I'm willing to take him in the 1st and maybe even as high as the mid 1st. I'm just pumping the brakes on the hype train. I think having him ranked as the overall TE4 is way too far. I think taking him with an early 1st is too far.

[fourdeans]

Really hoping to get two of Harris, ETN or Williams with 1.02 and 1.04 and then hoping Pitts falls to 1.08. Big ask, but who knows.

[SStory93]

Just traded for 1.01 in a league I already had acquired 1.02. Right now I would take Chase and Pitts.

I like don't love the RBs...Chase and Pitts are straight up freaks. Give me the freaks.

*landing spots could still affect this take

Mind sharing what you traded to move up?

I sent 1.05, 2.01, and late 2022 1st and late 2022 2nd
Got 1.01 and 3.01

Is it a lot? Yes. Do I care? No lol. It's FFPC so all I really care about are studs. This is the final move of a rebuild that I expect to push me firmly into a long championship window. Barkley, Dobbins, Jefferson, Ridley, Lamb, Chase, and Pitts.

No this is perfect! Excatly the insight I needed. Trying to move from 1.08 to 1.02 or 1.03 figure I will need to over pay on this type of level.

[skinfanjon]

Mind sharing what you traded to move up?

I sent 1.05, 2.01, and late 2022 1st and late 2022 2nd
Got 1.01 and 3.01

Is it a lot? Yes. Do I care? No lol. It's FFPC so all I really care about are studs. This is the final move of a rebuild that I expect to push me firmly into a long championship window. Barkley, Dobbins, Jefferson, Ridley, Lamb, Chase, and Pitts.

No this is perfect! Excatly the insight I needed. Trying to move from 1.08 to 1.02 or 1.03 figure I will need to over pay on this type of level.

Yeah only way to get up there is to overpay. I had sent an offer earlier that didn't include the 2022 1st and it was rejected no counter. Tried again yesterday without the 2.01 included and he countered back adding the swap of 2.01 for 3.01. Think it makes sense for this team so I'm shoving my chips in.

[Kmani6]

What you’re saying makes perfect sense. My problem with that though is the history of predicting fantasy relevant TE is absolutely atrocious. Have we all of a sudden figured it out, or is Pitts just a once in a lifetime type of prospect? The positional scarcity is a big factor, but so is the risk of trusting TE evaluations.

Pitts was the first player to run a 4.4 measuring 6'5" since Calvin Johnson. First TE to finish top 10 in Heisman voting in 50 years. Largest wingspan for any WR or TE in 20 years. The evidence is lending itself more towards Pitts just being a super special and rare prospect that defies the conventional logic.

I absolutely think he's a special prospect and I'm willing to take him in the 1st and maybe even as high as the mid 1st. I'm just pumping the brakes on the hype train. I think having him ranked as the overall TE4 is way too far. I think taking him with an early 1st is too far.

In addition to all of those measurables Pitts film/production were insane as well.

1. He made some catches this year that neither Chase or Smith could even make.
2. He has ZERO drops on the entire season
3. 770/12 in 7 games in the SEC!!!
4. Highest PFF grade vs press coverage at 97 higher than both Smith and Chase...

[skinfanjon]

Pitts was the first player to run a 4.4 measuring 6'5" since Calvin Johnson. First TE to finish top 10 in Heisman voting in 50 years. Largest wingspan for any WR or TE in 20 years. The evidence is lending itself more towards Pitts just being a super special and rare prospect that defies the conventional logic.

I absolutely think he's a special prospect and I'm willing to take him in the 1st and maybe even as high as the mid 1st. I'm just pumping the brakes on the hype train. I think having him ranked as the overall TE4 is way too far. I think taking him with an early 1st is too far.

In addition to all of those measurables Pitts film/production were insane as well.

1. He made some catches this year that neither Chase or Smith could even make.
2. He has ZERO drops on the entire season
3. 770/12 in 7 games in the SEC!!!
4. Highest PFF grade vs press coverage at 97 higher than both Smith and Chase...

I get the TE history and lack of correlation between high NFL picks and production at the position, but I just don't care. Pitts profiles as the best TE prospect ever. I'm completely sold. Just seems like overthinking it to focus on those things. In TE premium he's a top 3 pick for me pretty easily.

[bjd5211]

Pitts was the first player to run a 4.4 measuring 6'5" since Calvin Johnson. First TE to finish top 10 in Heisman voting in 50 years. Largest wingspan for any WR or TE in 20 years. The evidence is lending itself more towards Pitts just being a super special and rare prospect that defies the conventional logic.

I absolutely think he's a special prospect and I'm willing to take him in the 1st and maybe even as high as the mid 1st. I'm just pumping the brakes on the hype train. I think having him ranked as the overall TE4 is way too far. I think taking him with an early 1st is too far.

In addition to all of those measurables Pitts film/production were insane as well.

1. He made some catches this year that neither Chase or Smith could even make.
2. He has ZERO drops on the entire season
3. 770/12 in 7 games in the SEC!!!
4. Highest PFF grade vs press coverage at 97 higher than both Smith and Chase...

Also the highest or 2nd highest Overall PFF grade in a season for any college player ever. Not sure if he actually caught Chase Young (2019) or not, but they were neck and neck for a while.

[jenkins.math]

What you’re saying makes perfect sense. My problem with that though is the history of predicting fantasy relevant TE is absolutely atrocious. Have we all of a sudden figured it out, or is Pitts just a once in a lifetime type of prospect? The positional scarcity is a big factor, but so is the risk of trusting TE evaluations.

Pitts was the first player to run a 4.4 measuring 6'5" since Calvin Johnson. First TE to finish top 10 in Heisman voting in 50 years. Largest wingspan for any WR or TE in 20 years. The evidence is lending itself more towards Pitts just being a super special and rare prospect that defies the conventional logic.

I absolutely think he's a special prospect and I'm willing to take him in the 1st and maybe even as high as the mid 1st. I'm just pumping the brakes on the hype train. I think having him ranked as the overall TE4 is way too far. I think taking him with an early 1st is too far.

I think this is a flawed way to view Pitts and an entirely different conversation in general. It's the same argument that happened last year with CEH. I never thought he was worthy of his startup ranking that he climbed to, but that really shouldn't have much bearing on where you take him in a rookie draft. Same thing with Pitts. Someone could list him as their TE1 in dynasty. I wouldn't agree with it, but that doesn't mean I drop him down my rookie draft board. You have to separate the two.

However, after Kelce, Kittle, and Waller I would prefer to take the flier on Pitts next over the rest of the guys.

[bjd5211]

Just traded for 1.01 in a league I already had acquired 1.02. Right now I would take Chase and Pitts.

I like don't love the RBs...Chase and Pitts are straight up freaks. Give me the freaks.

*landing spots could still affect this take

I had 1.01 and just traded for 1.02, I'm planning on Chase/Pitts too.

Nvm, got offered Kittle for 1.02 so I took that instead.

[briank]

Pitts was the first player to run a 4.4 measuring 6'5" since Calvin Johnson. First TE to finish top 10 in Heisman voting in 50 years. Largest wingspan for any WR or TE in 20 years. The evidence is lending itself more towards Pitts just being a super special and rare prospect that defies the conventional logic.

I absolutely think he's a special prospect and I'm willing to take him in the 1st and maybe even as high as the mid 1st. I'm just pumping the brakes on the hype train. I think having him ranked as the overall TE4 is way too far. I think taking him with an early 1st is too far.

I think this is a flawed way to view Pitts and an entirely different conversation in general. It's the same argument that happened last year with CEH. I never thought he was worthy of his startup ranking that he climbed to, but that really shouldn't have much bearing on where you take him in a rookie draft. Same thing with Pitts. Someone could list him as their TE1 in dynasty. I wouldn't agree with it, but that doesn't mean I drop him down my rookie draft board. You have to separate the two.

However, after Kelce, Kittle, and Waller I would prefer to take the flier on Pitts next over the rest of the guys.

They are related though. The only reason I mention it is to illustrate how far the hype has gone.

[dustyroads]

Just traded for 1.01 in a league I already had acquired 1.02. Right now I would take Chase and Pitts.

I like don't love the RBs...Chase and Pitts are straight up freaks. Give me the freaks.

*landing spots could still affect this take

I had 1.01 and just traded for 1.02, I'm planning on Chase/Pitts too.

Nvm, got offered Kittle for 1.02 so I took that instead.

IYDM, what did you originally trade for 1.02?

[bjd5211]

I had 1.01 and just traded for 1.02, I'm planning on Chase/Pitts too.

Nvm, got offered Kittle for 1.02 so I took that instead.

IYDM, what did you originally trade for 1.02?

1.05, 2.01, 3.01, '22 2 and '22 3