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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

Postby Valhalla » Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:48 am

Pages upon pages of arguing about players (and positions) aside from the thread topic. :lol:

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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

Postby joeday » Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:59 am

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Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:48 am
Pages upon pages of arguing about players (and positions) aside from the thread topic. :lol:

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I disagree. If you want just a love fest thread for Jefferson then that should be stated, but the OP wanted to hear information on why or why not Jefferson is the #1 dynasty WR (which, in some circles, would translate to #1 dynasty player overall). Comparing him to other players like Lamb, DJM, etc is related to that. Talking about his OC leaving and how that could effect Jefferson (and the offense as a whole) is related to that. Flushing out the other WRs taken in his class, like Ruggs, is related to that. Comparing his QB situation to that of other WRs' QB situation is related to that.
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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

Postby Valhalla » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:10 am

joeday wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:59 am
Valhalla wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 9:48 am
Pages upon pages of arguing about players (and positions) aside from the thread topic. :lol:

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I disagree. If you want just a love fest thread for Jefferson then that should be stated, but the OP wanted to hear information on why or why not Jefferson is the #1 dynasty WR (which, in some circles, would translate to #1 dynasty player overall). Comparing him to other players like Lamb, DJM, etc is related to that. Talking about his OC leaving and how that could effect Jefferson (and the offense as a whole) is related to that. Flushing out the other WRs taken in his class, like Ruggs, is related to that. Comparing his QB situation to that of other WRs' QB situation is related to that.
I'll choose to continue to see the comedy in it. I don't mind it at all. I do the same. It's just funny to see pages of arguing over Dalton in a Jefferson thread, but that's pretty standard in internet threads.

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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

Postby joeday » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:51 am

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Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:10 am
I'll choose to continue to see the comedy in it. I don't mind it at all. I do the same. It's just funny to see pages of arguing over Dalton in a Jefferson thread, but that's pretty standard in internet threads.
Though I suspect you understand why Dalton was discussed, right?
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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

Postby hoos89 » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:30 pm

I think all dynasty WRs in contention for #1 dynasty WR are fair game in this thread, and to that end discussing the gap between Dalton and Cousins as it relates to the Lamb vs Jefferson debate is totally on point.
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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

Postby CGW » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:36 pm

Mizelle January data is up, and as expected JJ jumped to reflect his end of season numbers. Hes right there with Hill and AJB, and a bit after DK. Seems about right, and hard to fault anyone for having them in any order at the top.

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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

Postby Valhalla » Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:11 pm

joeday wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:51 am
Valhalla wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:10 am
I'll choose to continue to see the comedy in it. I don't mind it at all. I do the same. It's just funny to see pages of arguing over Dalton in a Jefferson thread, but that's pretty standard in internet threads.
Though I suspect you understand why Dalton was discussed, right?
Of course I understand it, but I still think it's funny. We go down so many tangents in talking about sports that a Jefferson thread can go on a path of discussing Dalton's stats from years ago. I understand it. Fault me for calling it funny I suppose.

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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

Postby AussieMate » Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:50 pm

When ranking dynasty wrs it's hard not to have JJ insanely high, I would still have Metcalf, AJB, and Hill over him. The only reason they are higher is because I've seen it from them in a 2nd/more years.
I have no concerns about JJ doing it again, but those other 3 HAVE done it again.
I also have no issue with others ranking him higher and taking that, albeit small, risk.

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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

Postby Pac_Eddy » Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:59 pm

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I have no concerns about JJ doing it again, but those other 3 HAVE done it again.
Careful! I used this logic to suggest that DJ Moore isn't in the same tier as Calvin Ridley and I got mobbed. This same thread, a few pages ago.
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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

Postby Ice » Thu Jan 07, 2021 3:10 pm

Pac_Eddy wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:59 pm
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Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:50 pm
I have no concerns about JJ doing it again, but those other 3 HAVE done it again.
Careful! I used this logic to suggest that DJ Moore isn't in the same tier as Calvin Ridley and I got mobbed. This same thread, a few pages ago.
Just imagine how bad it would have been had the god Dalton been Moore's QB. :D
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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

Postby hoos89 » Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:25 pm

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Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:50 pm
When ranking dynasty wrs it's hard not to have JJ insanely high, I would still have Metcalf, AJB, and Hill over him. The only reason they are higher is because I've seen it from them in a 2nd/more years.
I have no concerns about JJ doing it again, but those other 3 HAVE done it again.
I also have no issue with others ranking him higher and taking that, albeit small, risk.
Did Metcalf really do "it" as a rookie though? Is 58/900/7 doing "it"? AJB had a materially better rookie season (52/1,051/8) than Metcalf so...I suppose I could see that point for him if "it" just means a WR3 season (in PPG).

All 3 of these guys have exactly 1 WR1 season between them. Only Jefferson's came as a rookie. And that's not even considering that Jefferson is still 21 for 6 months and the other two were 22 at the end of last season. My other issue with this is that we just saw Jefferson as a rookie produce at a very comparable rate to Metcalf and AJB as sophomores.
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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

Postby AussieMate » Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:49 pm

hoos89 wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:25 pm
AussieMate wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:50 pm
When ranking dynasty wrs it's hard not to have JJ insanely high, I would still have Metcalf, AJB, and Hill over him. The only reason they are higher is because I've seen it from them in a 2nd/more years.
I have no concerns about JJ doing it again, but those other 3 HAVE done it again.
I also have no issue with others ranking him higher and taking that, albeit small, risk.
Did Metcalf really do "it" as a rookie though? Is 58/900/7 doing "it"? AJB had a materially better rookie season (52/1,051/8) than Metcalf so...I suppose I could see that point for him if "it" just means a WR3 season (in PPG).

All 3 of these guys have exactly 1 WR1 season between them. Only Jefferson's came as a rookie. And that's not even considering that Jefferson is still 21 for 6 months and the other two were 22 at the end of last season. My other issue with this is that we just saw Jefferson as a rookie produce at a very comparable rate to Metcalf and AJB as sophomores.
If Metcalf's rookie season isn't "doing it" then people are spoilt on early breakouts. They both looked the part of an alpha WR for 2 years, thats about it for me, its just the 2 yrs of seeing it in the NFL that puts them ahead. JJ would still be top 5 easily.

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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

Postby Ice » Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:09 pm

hoos89 wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:25 pm
AussieMate wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:50 pm
When ranking dynasty wrs it's hard not to have JJ insanely high, I would still have Metcalf, AJB, and Hill over him. The only reason they are higher is because I've seen it from them in a 2nd/more years.
I have no concerns about JJ doing it again, but those other 3 HAVE done it again.
I also have no issue with others ranking him higher and taking that, albeit small, risk.
Did Metcalf really do "it" as a rookie though? Is 58/900/7 doing "it"? AJB had a materially better rookie season (52/1,051/8) than Metcalf so...I suppose I could see that point for him if "it" just means a WR3 season (in PPG).

All 3 of these guys have exactly 1 WR1 season between them. Only Jefferson's came as a rookie. And that's not even considering that Jefferson is still 21 for 6 months and the other two were 22 at the end of last season. My other issue with this is that we just saw Jefferson as a rookie produce at a very comparable rate to Metcalf and AJB as sophomores.
Both really did it...

BTW, even mentioning an age difference between 21 and 6 months and 22 is absolutely ridiculous. There is zero logic. Not blaming you but it is just a silly narrative we hear all the time around here and it borders on insanity.

That is like someone making the argument that DK and AJB are built like the Greek God Zeus compared to the scrawny Jefferson who is one hit from a wheel chair so the Jefferson advocates need their heads examined for selecting him over these two.

Additionally, the ancient Adams just turned 28 and averaged over 26 points a game or between 8.5 and 10 more points per game. These young pups have miles to go to get to that level.

The reality is all 3 are young and show stud qualities. Everyone will like them all but most may ever so slightly like one over the other. No way there will be major consensus.

Personally of these 3; I like them DK, AJB Jefferson in order but love owning these players in various leagues. Jefferson has the most risk due to the most tenuous situation. There simply are more unknown variables over the next few years. Additionally, Jefferson has earned DB1 coverage next year so he won't be sneaking up on anyone weekly. That said he sure looks up to the challenge.
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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

Postby hoos89 » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:02 pm

AussieMate wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:49 pm
hoos89 wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 5:25 pm
AussieMate wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:50 pm
When ranking dynasty wrs it's hard not to have JJ insanely high, I would still have Metcalf, AJB, and Hill over him. The only reason they are higher is because I've seen it from them in a 2nd/more years.
I have no concerns about JJ doing it again, but those other 3 HAVE done it again.
I also have no issue with others ranking him higher and taking that, albeit small, risk.
Did Metcalf really do "it" as a rookie though? Is 58/900/7 doing "it"? AJB had a materially better rookie season (52/1,051/8) than Metcalf so...I suppose I could see that point for him if "it" just means a WR3 season (in PPG).

All 3 of these guys have exactly 1 WR1 season between them. Only Jefferson's came as a rookie. And that's not even considering that Jefferson is still 21 for 6 months and the other two were 22 at the end of last season. My other issue with this is that we just saw Jefferson as a rookie produce at a very comparable rate to Metcalf and AJB as sophomores.
If Metcalf's rookie season isn't "doing it" then people are spoilt on early breakouts. They both looked the part of an alpha WR for 2 years, thats about it for me, its just the 2 yrs of seeing it in the NFL that puts them ahead. JJ would still be top 5 easily.
My point is that a good rookie season like 58/900/7 is not the same thing as a season of high level performance and should not be counted as "doing it" for multiple seasons in the way that, say, Tyreek, Nuk and Adams have.
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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

Postby jcc6fd » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:10 pm

CGW wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:36 pm
Mizelle January data is up, and as expected JJ jumped to reflect his end of season numbers. Hes right there with Hill and AJB, and a bit after DK. Seems about right, and hard to fault anyone for having them in any order at the top.

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16 Lamb
JJ goes up and somehow AJB falls from December. Weird.
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