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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

Postby hoos89 » Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:19 am

Dalton essentially had a bad 2019. His 16 game pace in 2018 was 3732/31/16. Yeah, not as good as Cousins but not by a huge margin, and those are above average NFL starter numbers. He had a couple injuries but he's still only 33. He's better than multiple starting QBs.
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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

Postby Ice » Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:39 am

hoos89 wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:19 am Dalton essentially had a bad 2019. His 16 game pace in 2018 was 3732/31/16. Yeah, not as good as Cousins but those are above average NFL starter numbers. He had a couple injuries but he's still only 33. He's better than multiple starting QBs.
Name the teams Dalton would start for in 2021. The answer is ZERO. He is a backup.

I am glad he is on the Cowboys but let's get serious, we have had 2 full seasons since the 2018 campaign.

He is not remotely close to Cousins these days. His ball velocity is poor, he holds the ball way too long, he doesn't throw people open. I don't hate Dalton, I use to watch him live at high school games but it is laughable to compare this season from Dalton to Cousins who was top shelf in most measurable stats.

Here are a few snap shots
Yards per Attempt
Cousins 2nd
Dalton 28th

TD%
Cousins 5th
Dalton 22nd

Completion %
Cousins 9th
Dalton 22nd

Passer rating
Cousins 105
Dalton 87.3
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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

Postby broncohead » Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:57 am

Ice wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:39 am
hoos89 wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:19 am Dalton essentially had a bad 2019. His 16 game pace in 2018 was 3732/31/16. Yeah, not as good as Cousins but those are above average NFL starter numbers. He had a couple injuries but he's still only 33. He's better than multiple starting QBs.
Name the teams Dalton would start for in 2021. The answer is ZERO. He is a backup.

I am glad he is on the Cowboys but let's get serious, we have had 2 full seasons since the 2018 campaign.

He is not remotely close to Cousins these days. His ball velocity is poor, he holds the ball way too long, he doesn't throw people open. I don't hate Dalton, I use to watch him live at high school games but it is laughable to compare this season from Dalton to Cousins who was top shelf in most measurable stats.

Here are a few snap shots
Yards per Attempt
Cousins 2nd
Dalton 28th

TD%
Cousins 5th
Dalton 22nd

Completion %
Cousins 9th
Dalton 22nd

Passer rating
Cousins 105
Dalton 87.3
Dalton is significantly better than Lock and am confident Dalton would win in a head-to-head QB competition. That’s one off the top of my head
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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

Postby Ice » Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:02 pm

joeday wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 9:50 am Legit question, and maybe this is its own thread, but does anyone have any concern in the Vikings offense with Kubiak retiring? I have quite a few shares of Dalvin and it has legit made me nervous. Not panic sell nervous or anything, but just in general.
I touched on this earlier but I have major concerns. I have for years upgraded players in a Kubiak offense. His one cut and go running game is awesome and his WR schemes are just shy of brilliant IMO.

They could promote from within and keep the offense intact but losing Kubiak's mind will hurt some. The second concern is they are really porous in both lines and have a terrible cap problem. Not sure how they solve these issues so too soon to panic but I wouldn't be shocked to see multiple player movement which could include Thielen or other attractive pieces if they go into a soft rebuild.

This team needs tons of defensive help. They simply are not competitive with that defense.

One of the more interesting things to watch this off season IMO.
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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

Postby hoos89 » Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:07 pm

Denver for sure. Pretty decent chance he'd start in Washington or Jacksonville. Plus given that starters were benched at some point this season in Philly and Chicago I could see it for either of those teams as well as the Giants. I also think Dalton is a better QB than Cam at this point but not sure the Pats would actually start Dalton over Cam. Bridgewater isn't very good either but same thing in Carolina.
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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

Postby Ice » Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:11 pm

broncohead wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:57 am
Ice wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:39 am
hoos89 wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:19 am Dalton essentially had a bad 2019. His 16 game pace in 2018 was 3732/31/16. Yeah, not as good as Cousins but those are above average NFL starter numbers. He had a couple injuries but he's still only 33. He's better than multiple starting QBs.
Name the teams Dalton would start for in 2021. The answer is ZERO. He is a backup.

I am glad he is on the Cowboys but let's get serious, we have had 2 full seasons since the 2018 campaign.

He is not remotely close to Cousins these days. His ball velocity is poor, he holds the ball way too long, he doesn't throw people open. I don't hate Dalton, I use to watch him live at high school games but it is laughable to compare this season from Dalton to Cousins who was top shelf in most measurable stats.

Here are a few snap shots
Yards per Attempt
Cousins 2nd
Dalton 28th

TD%
Cousins 5th
Dalton 22nd

Completion %
Cousins 9th
Dalton 22nd

Passer rating
Cousins 105
Dalton 87.3
Dalton is significantly better than Lock and am confident Dalton would win in a head-to-head QB competition. That’s one off the top of my head
Not a big fan of Lock but the kid has only played in 18 games and has a record of 8-10.

No way Elway would bring in a Dalton. He may go after a Darnold type but he won't go old again unless it's a Brady type with skins on the wall.

The Cowboys got Dalton cheap; A 1 year 5 million dollar deal which puts in perspective his value. Elway or any team that wants him will get a chance but based on last year, no team views him as a starter or will pay starter money to get him.

As much as some of you want to believe, Dalton simply isn't a starter anymore. He is a pretty good back up but that's it. I can't imagine any fan base lighting up twitter in a positive way thinking " We just signed Dalton..... CHAMPIONSHIP"
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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

Postby broncohead » Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:28 pm

Ice wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:11 pm
broncohead wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:57 am
Ice wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:39 am

Name the teams Dalton would start for in 2021. The answer is ZERO. He is a backup.

I am glad he is on the Cowboys but let's get serious, we have had 2 full seasons since the 2018 campaign.

He is not remotely close to Cousins these days. His ball velocity is poor, he holds the ball way too long, he doesn't throw people open. I don't hate Dalton, I use to watch him live at high school games but it is laughable to compare this season from Dalton to Cousins who was top shelf in most measurable stats.

Here are a few snap shots
Yards per Attempt
Cousins 2nd
Dalton 28th

TD%
Cousins 5th
Dalton 22nd

Completion %
Cousins 9th
Dalton 22nd

Passer rating
Cousins 105
Dalton 87.3
Dalton is significantly better than Lock and am confident Dalton would win in a head-to-head QB competition. That’s one off the top of my head
Not a big fan of Lock but the kid has only played in 18 games and has a record of 8-10.

No way Elway would bring in a Dalton. He may go after a Darnold type but he won't go old again unless it's a Brady type with skins on the wall.

The Cowboys got Dalton cheap; A 1 year 5 million dollar deal which puts in perspective his value. Elway or any team that wants him will get a chance but based on last year, no team views him as a starter or will pay starter money to get him.

As much as some of you want to believe, Dalton simply isn't a starter anymore. He is a pretty good back up but that's it. I can't imagine any fan base lighting up twitter in a positive way thinking " We just signed Dalton..... CHAMPIONSHIP"
It’s not happening, my point was he could start for them and be better than what they have. You asked, I delivered.

Not concerned with JJ going forward. A new offense would likely result in a regression statistically but he’s proven to be a WR1.
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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

Postby Ice » Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:42 pm

broncohead wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:28 pm
It’s not happening, my point was he could start for them and be better than what they have. You asked, I delivered.

Not concerned with JJ going forward. A new offense would likely result in a regression statistically but he’s proven to be a WR1.
Not really;

I actually asked
Name the teams Dalton would start for in 2021. The answer is ZERO. He is a backup.
I agree it's not happening; Moving On!
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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

Postby broncohead » Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:45 pm

Ice wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:42 pm
broncohead wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:28 pm
It’s not happening, my point was he could start for them and be better than what they have. You asked, I delivered.

Not concerned with JJ going forward. A new offense would likely result in a regression statistically but he’s proven to be a WR1.
Not really;

I actually asked
Name the teams Dalton would start for in 2021. The answer is ZERO. He is a backup.
I agree it's not happening; Moving On!
He would start over Lock
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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

Postby Ice » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:01 pm

broncohead wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:45 pm
Ice wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:42 pm
broncohead wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:28 pm
It’s not happening, my point was he could start for them and be better than what they have. You asked, I delivered.

Not concerned with JJ going forward. A new offense would likely result in a regression statistically but he’s proven to be a WR1.
Not really;

I actually asked
Name the teams Dalton would start for in 2021. The answer is ZERO. He is a backup.
I agree it's not happening; Moving On!
He would start over Lock

Okay,

Ask Elway when you see him and get back to me with his actual answer!

It's not that I don't believe you......but.....:biggrin:
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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

Postby Sriracha » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:03 pm

Ice wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:01 pm
broncohead wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:45 pm
Ice wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:42 pm

Not really;

I actually asked



I agree it's not happening; Moving On!
He would start over Lock

Okay,

Ask Elway when you see him and get back to me with his actual answer!

It's not that I don't believe you......but.....:biggrin:
Lock ain't starting because of what he is, but because of the potential he displays. Dalton is a bridge QB to nowhere

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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

Postby cantguardjake » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:57 pm

Ice wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 9:13 am
cantguardjake wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:52 am
Ice wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 12:26 pm

No on Eagles. Reagor was a head scratch for me and still is. He does flash a little though. Jefferson was an easy choice over Reagor IMO.

Too soon on the Raiders IMO. Ruggs has tons of talent to be developed. He did catch 16 of his final 22 targets. It wouldn't surprise me if he makes the biggest jump next year. He really needs an off season.

These two were not as pro ready as Lamb or Jefferson. Most knew that I think.

Jefferson was 1 of 3 rookies to make the pro bowl. Young and CEH were the other 2.
You know you’ve had a terrible rookie season when a positive is that you caught 16 of your last 22 targets :lol:

Ruggs is a sell if you can get anything decent.
Says the voice of inexperience...... :wall:
Not all of us had him WR #1 like you. Darnell Mooney is the same player (but can actually get open) that coulda been had for free.

Maybe with an offseason he can really fine tune his apparent “nuanced” route running lol.

As for the thread I would still take Tyreek over JJ, 2 top 3 seasons in 2 years and still only 26 however JJ would fall in the next tier with Metcalf most likely.

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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

Postby StripesOfKC » Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:31 pm

cantguardjake wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:57 pm
Ice wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 9:13 am
cantguardjake wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:52 am

You know you’ve had a terrible rookie season when a positive is that you caught 16 of your last 22 targets :lol:

Ruggs is a sell if you can get anything decent.
Says the voice of inexperience...... :wall:
Not all of us had him WR #1 like you. Darnell Mooney is the same player (but is actually good at football) that coulda been had for free.

Maybe with an offseason he can really fine tune his apparent “nuanced” route running lol.

As for the thread I would still take Tyreek over JJ, 2 top 3 seasons in 2 years and still only 26 however JJ would fall in the next tier with Metcalf most likely.
FTFY

The Raiders just don't learn lessons though so it'll happen again next time they look for a WR

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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

Postby joeday » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:00 pm

StripesOfKC wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:31 pm
cantguardjake wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:57 pm
Ice wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 9:13 am

Says the voice of inexperience...... :wall:
Not all of us had him WR #1 like you. Darnell Mooney is the same player (but is actually good at football) that coulda been had for free.

Maybe with an offseason he can really fine tune his apparent “nuanced” route running lol.

As for the thread I would still take Tyreek over JJ, 2 top 3 seasons in 2 years and still only 26 however JJ would fall in the next tier with Metcalf most likely.
FTFY

The Raiders just don't learn lessons though so it'll happen again next time they look for a WR
I remember during the draft a raiders fan telling me he preferred Ruggs over all the other WRs in the draft lol. I know there is a heated Lamb vs. JJ debate here but we can all agree that both (and Jeudy) were better than Ruggs going into the draft process.
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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

Postby Ice » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:11 pm

cantguardjake wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:57 pm
Ice wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 9:13 am
cantguardjake wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:52 am

You know you’ve had a terrible rookie season when a positive is that you caught 16 of your last 22 targets :lol:

Ruggs is a sell if you can get anything decent.
Says the voice of inexperience...... :wall:
Not all of us had him WR #1 like you. Darnell Mooney is the same player (but can actually get open) that coulda been had for free.

Maybe with an offseason he can really fine tune his apparent “nuanced” route running lol.

As for the thread I would still take Tyreek over JJ, 2 top 3 seasons in 2 years and still only 26 however JJ would fall in the next tier with Metcalf most likely.
Always enjoy reading from people that only think with an instant memory no recall mindset.

What is a bit ironic about your comment though is Tyreek was nothing special as rookie amassing 593 yards in 15 games. A. Brown only managed 167 yards as a rookie. Ruggs obviously struggled with 492 yards in 13 games.

Ruggs may never be great but it is the fool who thinks a player is nothing and will never improve especially the ones with gifts only a handful of players have at the highest level in sports have.

Maybe you're the genius or maybe the fool.

We all miss on players and some of us understand it takes time to develop. It is way too soon to label any of the top picks in this class a bust given it was one of the best classes of WR's in years.

BTW, It is rare for any rookie WR to put up great numbers. Jefferson to his credit just broke the All TIME record yet finished 8th in PPr leagues 2 spots behind 2nd year Metcalf in fantasy.
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