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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

Postby joeday » Wed Jan 06, 2021 9:50 am

Legit question, and maybe this is its own thread, but does anyone have any concern in the Vikings offense with Kubiak retiring? I have quite a few shares of Dalvin and it has legit made me nervous. Not panic sell nervous or anything, but just in general.
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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

Postby hoos89 » Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:04 am

I think if you're holding Vikings WRs you shouldn't be worried about that. Vikings were 27th in pass attempts this season. If you're holding *E: Cook...
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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

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I think if you're holding Vikings WRs you shouldn't be worried about that. Vikings were 27th in pass attempts this season. If you're holding Cooks...
Yeah, I love Dalvin's talent, but Kubiak has a way of making very good RBs great.
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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

Postby Pac_Eddy » Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:21 am

If you know Mike Zimmer, he'll only hire an offensive coordinator who agrees to establish a strong run game. They're not going to switch to a pass happy offense. I'm not changing my thoughts on Dalvin or the WRs for next year.
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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

Postby broncohead » Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:41 am

Ice wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 9:36 am
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Dalton and Cousins are similar in talent at QB.
Good god Man; Did that Bronco cause irreparable Brain Damage when it kicked you in the head..... :lol:
So cousins is a top QB in the NFL? Cousins isn’t on the same level as Dak and think he’s closer to Dalton talent than Dak. But continue your Lamb obsession in a JJ thread...
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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

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broncohead wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:41 am
Ice wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 9:36 am
broncohead wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 10:17 pm


Dalton and Cousins are similar in talent at QB.
Good god Man; Did that Bronco cause irreparable Brain Damage when it kicked you in the head..... :lol:
So cousins is a top QB in the NFL? Cousins isn’t on the same level as Dak and think he’s closer to Dalton talent than Dak. But continue your Lamb obsession in a JJ thread...
Seriously, Dalton was a passable starting QB in the NFL for years. You'd think he was some practice squad scrub. Yes Cousins had a very solid season (4,265/35/13), but Dalton has had seasons not too far removed from that (e.g. 2013 - 4,293/33/20 or 2015 - 16 game pace of 4000/31/9 (in 13 games played)). I'd rather have Cousins at QB, but the gap is not THAT big.
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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

Postby broncohead » Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:00 am

hoos89 wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:57 am
broncohead wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:41 am
Ice wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 9:36 am


Good god Man; Did that Bronco cause irreparable Brain Damage when it kicked you in the head..... :lol:
So cousins is a top QB in the NFL? Cousins isn’t on the same level as Dak and think he’s closer to Dalton talent than Dak. But continue your Lamb obsession in a JJ thread...
Seriously, Dalton was a passable starting QB in the NFL for years. You'd think he was some practice squad scrub. Yes Cousins had a very solid season (4,265/35/13), but Dalton has had seasons not too far removed from that (e.g. 2013 - 4,293/33/20 or 2015 - 16 game pace of 4000/31/9 (in 13 games played)). I'd rather have Cousins at QB, but the gap is not THAT big.
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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

Postby Ice » Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:10 am

broncohead wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:41 am
Ice wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 9:36 am
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Tue Jan 05, 2021 10:17 pm


Dalton and Cousins are similar in talent at QB.
Good god Man; Did that Bronco cause irreparable Brain Damage when it kicked you in the head..... :lol:
So cousins is a top QB in the NFL? Cousins isn’t on the same level as Dak and think he’s closer to Dalton talent than Dak. But continue your Lamb obsession in a JJ thread...
Nothing to do with either WR. My take is you're a party of 1 if you really think Dalton is remotely close to Cousins.

I get people love to hate on Cousins but he may be the most underrated QB in the league. Go back and study his numbers in Minnesota the last 3 years. His rating is over 100, his completion percentage is over 68%, He has had 91 TD's vs 29 int's and his Y/A is close to 8.

Those are elite numbers, Dalton is an old backup and his numbers the last 3 years are barely average.

My comment was tongue in cheek because your comment was way out in left field. No one really believes that and neither would you if you studied these two QB's.

I do like Dak better but Cousins is way closer to Dak than Dalton is to Cousins which was the point.

BTW pulling Dalton numbers 5-7 years ago doesn't strengthen the argument. Dalton is a backup QB and average these days. That should be obvious to everyone.
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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

Postby hoos89 » Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:19 am

Dalton essentially had a bad 2019. His 16 game pace in 2018 was 3732/31/16. Yeah, not as good as Cousins but not by a huge margin, and those are above average NFL starter numbers. He had a couple injuries but he's still only 33. He's better than multiple starting QBs.
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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

Postby Ice » Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:39 am

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Dalton essentially had a bad 2019. His 16 game pace in 2018 was 3732/31/16. Yeah, not as good as Cousins but those are above average NFL starter numbers. He had a couple injuries but he's still only 33. He's better than multiple starting QBs.
Name the teams Dalton would start for in 2021. The answer is ZERO. He is a backup.

I am glad he is on the Cowboys but let's get serious, we have had 2 full seasons since the 2018 campaign.

He is not remotely close to Cousins these days. His ball velocity is poor, he holds the ball way too long, he doesn't throw people open. I don't hate Dalton, I use to watch him live at high school games but it is laughable to compare this season from Dalton to Cousins who was top shelf in most measurable stats.

Here are a few snap shots
Yards per Attempt
Cousins 2nd
Dalton 28th

TD%
Cousins 5th
Dalton 22nd

Completion %
Cousins 9th
Dalton 22nd

Passer rating
Cousins 105
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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

Postby broncohead » Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:57 am

Ice wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:39 am
hoos89 wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:19 am
Dalton essentially had a bad 2019. His 16 game pace in 2018 was 3732/31/16. Yeah, not as good as Cousins but those are above average NFL starter numbers. He had a couple injuries but he's still only 33. He's better than multiple starting QBs.
Name the teams Dalton would start for in 2021. The answer is ZERO. He is a backup.

I am glad he is on the Cowboys but let's get serious, we have had 2 full seasons since the 2018 campaign.

He is not remotely close to Cousins these days. His ball velocity is poor, he holds the ball way too long, he doesn't throw people open. I don't hate Dalton, I use to watch him live at high school games but it is laughable to compare this season from Dalton to Cousins who was top shelf in most measurable stats.

Here are a few snap shots
Yards per Attempt
Cousins 2nd
Dalton 28th

TD%
Cousins 5th
Dalton 22nd

Completion %
Cousins 9th
Dalton 22nd

Passer rating
Cousins 105
Dalton 87.3
Dalton is significantly better than Lock and am confident Dalton would win in a head-to-head QB competition. That’s one off the top of my head
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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

Postby Ice » Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:02 pm

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Legit question, and maybe this is its own thread, but does anyone have any concern in the Vikings offense with Kubiak retiring? I have quite a few shares of Dalvin and it has legit made me nervous. Not panic sell nervous or anything, but just in general.
I touched on this earlier but I have major concerns. I have for years upgraded players in a Kubiak offense. His one cut and go running game is awesome and his WR schemes are just shy of brilliant IMO.

They could promote from within and keep the offense intact but losing Kubiak's mind will hurt some. The second concern is they are really porous in both lines and have a terrible cap problem. Not sure how they solve these issues so too soon to panic but I wouldn't be shocked to see multiple player movement which could include Thielen or other attractive pieces if they go into a soft rebuild.

This team needs tons of defensive help. They simply are not competitive with that defense.

One of the more interesting things to watch this off season IMO.
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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

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Denver for sure. Pretty decent chance he'd start in Washington or Jacksonville. Plus given that starters were benched at some point this season in Philly and Chicago I could see it for either of those teams as well as the Giants. I also think Dalton is a better QB than Cam at this point but not sure the Pats would actually start Dalton over Cam. Bridgewater isn't very good either but same thing in Carolina.
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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

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broncohead wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:57 am
Ice wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:39 am
hoos89 wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:19 am
Dalton essentially had a bad 2019. His 16 game pace in 2018 was 3732/31/16. Yeah, not as good as Cousins but those are above average NFL starter numbers. He had a couple injuries but he's still only 33. He's better than multiple starting QBs.
Name the teams Dalton would start for in 2021. The answer is ZERO. He is a backup.

I am glad he is on the Cowboys but let's get serious, we have had 2 full seasons since the 2018 campaign.

He is not remotely close to Cousins these days. His ball velocity is poor, he holds the ball way too long, he doesn't throw people open. I don't hate Dalton, I use to watch him live at high school games but it is laughable to compare this season from Dalton to Cousins who was top shelf in most measurable stats.

Here are a few snap shots
Yards per Attempt
Cousins 2nd
Dalton 28th

TD%
Cousins 5th
Dalton 22nd

Completion %
Cousins 9th
Dalton 22nd

Passer rating
Cousins 105
Dalton 87.3
Dalton is significantly better than Lock and am confident Dalton would win in a head-to-head QB competition. That’s one off the top of my head
Not a big fan of Lock but the kid has only played in 18 games and has a record of 8-10.

No way Elway would bring in a Dalton. He may go after a Darnold type but he won't go old again unless it's a Brady type with skins on the wall.

The Cowboys got Dalton cheap; A 1 year 5 million dollar deal which puts in perspective his value. Elway or any team that wants him will get a chance but based on last year, no team views him as a starter or will pay starter money to get him.

As much as some of you want to believe, Dalton simply isn't a starter anymore. He is a pretty good back up but that's it. I can't imagine any fan base lighting up twitter in a positive way thinking " We just signed Dalton..... CHAMPIONSHIP"
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Re: Justin Jefferson #1 Dynasty WR?

Postby broncohead » Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:28 pm

Ice wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:11 pm
broncohead wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:57 am
Ice wrote:
Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:39 am


Name the teams Dalton would start for in 2021. The answer is ZERO. He is a backup.

I am glad he is on the Cowboys but let's get serious, we have had 2 full seasons since the 2018 campaign.

He is not remotely close to Cousins these days. His ball velocity is poor, he holds the ball way too long, he doesn't throw people open. I don't hate Dalton, I use to watch him live at high school games but it is laughable to compare this season from Dalton to Cousins who was top shelf in most measurable stats.

Here are a few snap shots
Yards per Attempt
Cousins 2nd
Dalton 28th

TD%
Cousins 5th
Dalton 22nd

Completion %
Cousins 9th
Dalton 22nd

Passer rating
Cousins 105
Dalton 87.3
Dalton is significantly better than Lock and am confident Dalton would win in a head-to-head QB competition. That’s one off the top of my head
Not a big fan of Lock but the kid has only played in 18 games and has a record of 8-10.

No way Elway would bring in a Dalton. He may go after a Darnold type but he won't go old again unless it's a Brady type with skins on the wall.

The Cowboys got Dalton cheap; A 1 year 5 million dollar deal which puts in perspective his value. Elway or any team that wants him will get a chance but based on last year, no team views him as a starter or will pay starter money to get him.

As much as some of you want to believe, Dalton simply isn't a starter anymore. He is a pretty good back up but that's it. I can't imagine any fan base lighting up twitter in a positive way thinking " We just signed Dalton..... CHAMPIONSHIP"
It’s not happening, my point was he could start for them and be better than what they have. You asked, I delivered.

Not concerned with JJ going forward. A new offense would likely result in a regression statistically but he’s proven to be a WR1.
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