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KC and running the ball

Postby Londondynasty » Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:56 am

A short term issue, or are they just going to use Mahomes rather than give their RBs any sort of decent workload?
Team 1- 25 man keeper. Standard scoring idp. 1qb, 2rb, 3wr, 1te, 1 flex, 1k, 1lb, 1dl, 1db, 1flex
Qb: Prescott, Rodgers, Hurts Taysom Hill
Rb: A.Jones, Swift, Akers, Gibson, R.Jones, Gurley, Pollard, Dillon, Gaskin, Penny
WR: Evans, Diontae, DJ Moore, OBJ, Landry, Shenault, Antonio Brown, Edwards
TE: Kelce, Hurst


Team 2: Superflex PPR. 35 keeper. 1 qb, 1 Superflex, 2 rb, 2wr, 4 flex, 1 te
QB: Rodgers, Allen, Newton, Roethlisberger, Bridgewater, Hill, Fitzpatrick,
RB: Robinson, David Johnson, Bell, Fournette, Freeman, Edmonds, Lindsay, Guice
WR: Hopkins, Adams, Diggs, Corey Davis, G.Davis, J.Brown, Coutee, Cole, Mooney, Van Jefferson
TE: Kelce, Waller, Tonyan, Dissly

Team 3. PPR. 14 teamer. 1qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, 2 wr/rb, 1 wr/te 1 te, k, p, 2db, 2lb, 2 edr
QB: Ryan, Carr, Newton
RB: Sanders, CEH, Mixon, Rojo, R.Freeman, Duke Johnson, Gore, D.Freeman, Hasty, Snell, Foreman
WR: Hill, Adams, Cooper, Higgins, Chark, Mims, MVS, Mooney, Miller,
TE: Kittle, Waller, Ertz, Eifert, Njoku

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Re: KC and running the ball

Postby Krypto_King » Mon Nov 09, 2020 2:18 am

if you were running that team who would you run your offense through?

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Re: KC and running the ball

Postby Cameron Giles » Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:30 am

With Mahomes and those weapons, the run game will always be game flow dependent

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Re: KC and running the ball

Postby Londondynasty » Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:32 am

Cameron Giles wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:30 am
With Mahomes and those weapons, the run game will always be game flow dependent

Against the Jets, they had what you would usually say would be a game script favouring the run, but they barely got a look in then either
Team 1- 25 man keeper. Standard scoring idp. 1qb, 2rb, 3wr, 1te, 1 flex, 1k, 1lb, 1dl, 1db, 1flex
Qb: Prescott, Rodgers, Hurts Taysom Hill
Rb: A.Jones, Swift, Akers, Gibson, R.Jones, Gurley, Pollard, Dillon, Gaskin, Penny
WR: Evans, Diontae, DJ Moore, OBJ, Landry, Shenault, Antonio Brown, Edwards
TE: Kelce, Hurst


Team 2: Superflex PPR. 35 keeper. 1 qb, 1 Superflex, 2 rb, 2wr, 4 flex, 1 te
QB: Rodgers, Allen, Newton, Roethlisberger, Bridgewater, Hill, Fitzpatrick,
RB: Robinson, David Johnson, Bell, Fournette, Freeman, Edmonds, Lindsay, Guice
WR: Hopkins, Adams, Diggs, Corey Davis, G.Davis, J.Brown, Coutee, Cole, Mooney, Van Jefferson
TE: Kelce, Waller, Tonyan, Dissly

Team 3. PPR. 14 teamer. 1qb, 2 rb, 2 wr, 2 wr/rb, 1 wr/te 1 te, k, p, 2db, 2lb, 2 edr
QB: Ryan, Carr, Newton
RB: Sanders, CEH, Mixon, Rojo, R.Freeman, Duke Johnson, Gore, D.Freeman, Hasty, Snell, Foreman
WR: Hill, Adams, Cooper, Higgins, Chark, Mims, MVS, Mooney, Miller,
TE: Kittle, Waller, Ertz, Eifert, Njoku

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Re: KC and running the ball

Postby Pac_Eddy » Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:35 am

Like most offenses, they take what the defense gives them. Indy has a good run defense. Three weeks ago CEH had 26 carries for 161 yards. You'll have down weeks too.

If you're expecting a lot of running every week, KC is not the offense for you.
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Re: KC and running the ball

Postby jenkins.math » Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:25 am

Andy Reid favoring the pass over the run?!?!? Why is this a surprise?
Team 1: 14 team dynasty, 25 man roster, keep 14
QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, 2Flex, D/ST, K, DL, LB, DE
QB: Ryan, Mayfield
RB: Barkley, CEH, Kelley, Ahmed, Snell
WR: OBJ, Evans, Juju, Moore, Jeudy, Reagor, Corey Davis, Cooks
TE: Kittle, L. Thomas
K: Butker
D/ST: Browns, Bears
DL: Buckner
LB: Kendricks
DB: B. Baker

Team 2: 12 team PPR Salary Cap
QB: Watson, Goff
RB: Barkley, CEH, Gibson, Howard, Perine, Lewis, Ozigbo
WR: Hill, Allen, Boyd, Landry, Sims, DJax, Hamler, Westbrook
TE: Schultz, Ebron, Thomas, Keene, Jarwin
K: Tucker
D/ST: Steelers, Bills
Taxi: Lock, Bryce Love, Higgins

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QB: Wentz, Mayfield, Love
RB: AP, Lewis, Perine, JJ Taylor, Vaughn, Mack
WR: Jeudy, Jeffrey, P Williams, Mooney, Cephus, Fitz, Gandy-Golden, Hightower, Swain, Bisi Johnson, Tate
TE: Doyle, Smith, Trautman, Keene, Warring

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Re: KC and running the ball

Postby dlf_mikeh » Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:09 am

jenkins.math wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:25 am
Andy Reid favoring the pass over the run?!?!? Why is this a surprise?
I came here to say this.

Your best bet as an owner of a KC RB would be a KC blowout where guys like CEH & Bell can get rushing stats in the fourth quarter, screen plays, or the occasional goal line carries. I loved CEH when he was drafted to the Chiefs, but that was more of a PPR reasoning. I find that lacking up to this point.
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Re: KC and running the ball

Postby Mjvb5 » Mon Nov 09, 2020 12:03 pm

They have the best qb in football, they know it. Why would they go to an rb who's good but not great over just letting mahomes be mahomes and keep developing

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Re: KC and running the ball

Postby OkOk » Mon Nov 09, 2020 12:05 pm

Too many good options for the QB. The RB will have some blowup games but otherwise just a steady good floor.

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Re: KC and running the ball

Postby JOHNNY_COCKTAIL » Mon Nov 09, 2020 2:14 pm

Once Sammy is gone, and Kelce inevitably slows down a bit ceh will get more passing game work and it will be better

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Re: KC and running the ball

Postby trc » Mon Nov 09, 2020 2:59 pm

JOHNNY_COCKTAIL wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 2:14 pm
Once Sammy is gone, and Kelce inevitably slows down a bit ceh will get more passing game work and it will be better
So they will not put in another WR?
Plus Watkins has been injured the last 4 games, not like CEH has been booming in the reception-department.

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Re: KC and running the ball

Postby jcc6fd » Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:10 pm

We ought to remember KC has a banged up O-line. Mahomes is great because he can create plays with his scrambling but CEH and Bell will be dependent on blocks being made.

That said the two biggest impediments to CEH’s fantasy success I see are 1. Mahomes deep ball ability limiting the amount of yards needed to be gained by RBs, and 2. Touchdowns will be limited because even in short yardage situations the Chiefs are the most creative red zone team, and are able to find many ways to pass for TDs. Couple that 2nd reason with the banged up O-line and you start to see why there haven’t been many goal line rushes.
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RB: Cook, Fournette, Gurley, Henderson, Lindsay, Moss, Gaskin, M. Davis, J. Williams, Ito, Ty Johnson
WR: Julio, A.J. Brown, K. Allen, Cooks, TY, Perriman
TE: Kelce, Gronk, Cook
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Re: KC and running the ball

Postby kmbryant09 » Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:00 pm

I never expected Kansas City to turn into a run-first team, but their usage of CEH has been puzzling at best the past few weeks.

After absolutely dominating Buffalo on the ground 3 weeks ago (26 rushes for 161 yards), he's TOTALED just 19 carries the past 3 weeks (averaging 4.2 ypc). I know they brought in Bell, but he's playing only 1/3rd of the snaps and has just 16 carries himself (averaging 3.4 ypc).

Reid, and Mahomes, were seemingly in love with CEH heading into the draft. He was very clearly a talented pass-catching RB who had very little weaknesses outside of top-end speed. Yet, they don't use him on ANY passing-downs, and continue to give a decent chunk of work to Bell (who looks washed up) and D. Williams (who's JAG). All this while CEH has been wildly successful in nearly every facet of the game.

The good news is he's currently a low-end RB (#10 in .5 PPR leagues) and a serious candidate for positive Touchdown regression (on pace for just 6 TD's in that offense). The bad news is KC doesn't seem to trust him enough in passing situations and won't commit to any semblance of a running game.
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Re: KC and running the ball

Postby Jigga94 » Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:17 pm

kmbryant09 wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:00 pm

After absolutely dominating Buffalo on the ground 3 weeks ago (26 rushes for 161 yards), he's TOTALED just 19 carries the past 3 weeks (averaging 4.2 ypc). I know they brought in Bell, but he's playing only 1/3rd of the snaps and has just 16 carries himself (averaging 3.4 ypc).

Not to detail your argument, it's a good post, but that Buffalo defense is bad and was entirely ok with letting KC run wild. As long as it wasn't Mahomes that game.
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Re: KC and running the ball

Postby jcc6fd » Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:22 pm

Jigga94 wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:17 pm
kmbryant09 wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:00 pm

After absolutely dominating Buffalo on the ground 3 weeks ago (26 rushes for 161 yards), he's TOTALED just 19 carries the past 3 weeks (averaging 4.2 ypc). I know they brought in Bell, but he's playing only 1/3rd of the snaps and has just 16 carries himself (averaging 3.4 ypc).

Not to detail your argument, it's a good post, but that Buffalo defense is bad and was entirely ok with letting KC run wild. As long as it wasn't Mahomes that game.
Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Buffalo has been bad against the run all year and also benched two starting D Lineman to send a message, which ended up back firing.

I, like many KC fans, was surprised by how conservative and run based the offense was at times earlier in the season. Someone pointed out that teams have wisely been selling out to stop the downfield passes, which opened up the run more. I think we’re seeing a shift in Mahomes/Reid in that they’re willing to just risk throwing through dime defenses because they know they’re good enough and it’s working.
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RB: Cook, Fournette, Gurley, Henderson, Lindsay, Moss, Gaskin, M. Davis, J. Williams, Ito, Ty Johnson
WR: Julio, A.J. Brown, K. Allen, Cooks, TY, Perriman
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