I agree. I have no idea what Detroit is doing with their backfield. To their credit, Swift is playing more, but outside of their game against Chicago, I don't see the value Peterson is adding as a back to justify the usage. Even though Kerryon Johnson hasn't been much, I think he could do what AP is doing right now and they could just roll with him and Swift.Patsfan86 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:46 amAs someone who has both i had a good and bad day. I just cant get over this with Swift, people are gonna just look at the box score and think its him, its NOT him. It is an incompetent coaching staff that for some reason wants to give AP more carries than swift. I am not up on offensive coordinators but is this a Bevell thing? Give Swift more carries and see what he can do. Its just so frustrating. Thank god im not competing this season or id be even more mad about this. Wish detroit lost that game so they could move on from Patricia.blemly wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:33 am Detroit continues to boggle the mind when it comes to play calling. Swift started off hot and then Detroit stopped using him as frequently.
In other news, it wasn’t a tough opponent, but Antonio Gibson flashed yesterday in a workhorse role. No catches unfortunately, but he contributed to the lead and was in there most of the game salting it away after.
As far as Gibson is concerned, i got him cheap, 2.10 pick back in May when Guice and Ap were still there and so far he seems like an absolute steal. He is learning the postion and unlike Patricia it really seems like Rivera wants him to be the guy eventually. Im much more concerned about Swift than i am gibson at this point even though i think Swift is more talented.
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To be fair, Peterson has looked pretty good up until this week and Swift was always part of a committee at Georgia.
The strangest development is the complete erasure of Kerryon.
The strangest development is the complete erasure of Kerryon.
Team 1 - 12 team PPR
QB: MRyan, MJones, CNewton, RFitz
RB: SBarkley, DSwift, CAkers, JMixon, AJDillon, LMurray, DarWilliams, GBernard
WR: SDiggs, ACooper, BAiyuk, JJones, LShenault, BCooks, KToney, KHamler, VJefferson
TE: JSmith, ISmith, ZErtz
Team 2 - 16 team, PPR, SF
QB: JBurrow, CWentz, ZWilson, Jimmy G
RB: SBarkley, DSwift, CAkers, BSnell, TGurley, DGuice
WR: JChase, BAiyuk, CSutton, THiggins, JJeudy, JReagor, BEdwards
TE: ISmith, HarBryant, DSample, TTremble
QB: MRyan, MJones, CNewton, RFitz
RB: SBarkley, DSwift, CAkers, JMixon, AJDillon, LMurray, DarWilliams, GBernard
WR: SDiggs, ACooper, BAiyuk, JJones, LShenault, BCooks, KToney, KHamler, VJefferson
TE: JSmith, ISmith, ZErtz
Team 2 - 16 team, PPR, SF
QB: JBurrow, CWentz, ZWilson, Jimmy G
RB: SBarkley, DSwift, CAkers, BSnell, TGurley, DGuice
WR: JChase, BAiyuk, CSutton, THiggins, JJeudy, JReagor, BEdwards
TE: ISmith, HarBryant, DSample, TTremble
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Kerryon was outperformed by Ty Johnson and Bo Scarbough last year. They then went out and invested a top 35 pick on a RB.
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Just observations, no questions. 1) Gibson is good. 2) Swift is potentially great, but DET be crazy.Space Cowboy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:12 pmI think you answered your own question. I had noticed that too, I think they told him not to overthink things and different positions, focus on carrying the ball 20-25 times vs a bad run D and he responded nicely.blemly wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:33 am Detroit continues to boggle the mind when it comes to play calling. Swift started off hot and then Detroit stopped using him as frequently.
In other news, it wasn’t a tough opponent, but Antonio Gibson flashed yesterday in a workhorse role. No catches unfortunately, but he contributed to the lead and was in there most of the game salting it away after.
Team 1: 12-team SF 0.5 PPR:
QB: Dak, Russ, Stafford, Geno, Dalton
RB: Harris, Gibson, Chubb, Cohen
WR: DK, Ridley, Kirk, Chark, Woods, C Samuel, Shepard, Reagor
TE: Fant, Knox
Team 2: 14-team PPR SF TEP:
QB: Wilson, Burrow, Geno, Foles
RB: Mixon, Gibson, Hines, Cohen, Pollard
WR: DJM, Cooper, Sutton, Deebo, R. Moore, ARSB, Eskridge, Renfrow
TE: Gesicki, Njoku, Arnold
Team 3: 12-team PPR SF:
QB: Watson, Lawrence, Winston, Cam
RB: Harris, Ekeler, Dobbins
WR: Hill, AJB, Woods, Chark, Lockett
TE: Gesicki, OJH, Firkser
Team 4: 12-team SF TEP Devy
QB: Wilson, Geno, Ryan, Cousins
RB: Zeke, Chubb, Sanders, Pollard, Hines, Cohen, Henderson
WR: Cooper, Godwin, Sutton, JuJu, Samuel, Fuller, Shepard, Campbell
TE: Fant, Gesicki, Ertz, Freiermuth
Devy: Boutte, Young, Slovis, Harris
Team 5: 12-team PPR SF:
QB: Dak, Lance, Jones, Cam
RB: Swift, Sanders, Dobbins, Pollard
WR: Sutton, DJM, Golladay, Chase, Pittman, Kirk, Campbell, Mims, Wallace
TE: Herndon, Gesicki, Freiermuth
QB: Dak, Russ, Stafford, Geno, Dalton
RB: Harris, Gibson, Chubb, Cohen
WR: DK, Ridley, Kirk, Chark, Woods, C Samuel, Shepard, Reagor
TE: Fant, Knox
Team 2: 14-team PPR SF TEP:
QB: Wilson, Burrow, Geno, Foles
RB: Mixon, Gibson, Hines, Cohen, Pollard
WR: DJM, Cooper, Sutton, Deebo, R. Moore, ARSB, Eskridge, Renfrow
TE: Gesicki, Njoku, Arnold
Team 3: 12-team PPR SF:
QB: Watson, Lawrence, Winston, Cam
RB: Harris, Ekeler, Dobbins
WR: Hill, AJB, Woods, Chark, Lockett
TE: Gesicki, OJH, Firkser
Team 4: 12-team SF TEP Devy
QB: Wilson, Geno, Ryan, Cousins
RB: Zeke, Chubb, Sanders, Pollard, Hines, Cohen, Henderson
WR: Cooper, Godwin, Sutton, JuJu, Samuel, Fuller, Shepard, Campbell
TE: Fant, Gesicki, Ertz, Freiermuth
Devy: Boutte, Young, Slovis, Harris
Team 5: 12-team PPR SF:
QB: Dak, Lance, Jones, Cam
RB: Swift, Sanders, Dobbins, Pollard
WR: Sutton, DJM, Golladay, Chase, Pittman, Kirk, Campbell, Mims, Wallace
TE: Herndon, Gesicki, Freiermuth
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I like from what I saw from Gibson. As somebody who has him in multiple leagues, I want to see a good day on the ground against somebody not named the Dallas Cowboys. Everybody does well against them. I really was hoping the Cowboys would have won, I would like to see a good young QB in Washington next year. Swift looks good. Great, I don't see. I think he can be a really good PPR back, for FF purposes, though, but Patricia may not be going anywhere next year, and that's concerning.blemly wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:32 pmJust observations, no questions. 1) Gibson is good. 2) Swift is potentially great, but DET be crazy.Space Cowboy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:12 pmI think you answered your own question. I had noticed that too, I think they told him not to overthink things and different positions, focus on carrying the ball 20-25 times vs a bad run D and he responded nicely.blemly wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:33 am Detroit continues to boggle the mind when it comes to play calling. Swift started off hot and then Detroit stopped using him as frequently.
In other news, it wasn’t a tough opponent, but Antonio Gibson flashed yesterday in a workhorse role. No catches unfortunately, but he contributed to the lead and was in there most of the game salting it away after.
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4 snaps in 2 weeks for Akers. Does anyone still believe in him? The Ram's RBs had 25 carries last night and none of them went to Akers
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I don't necessarily so much believe in him. I think he might need to improve as a pass protector and that is why Brown is seeing the field over him.
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Rb: Jonathan Taylor, Joe Mixon, Austin Ekeler, Saquon Barkley, Cam Akers, Isiah Pacheco, Jeff Wilson, Chase Edmonds, Pierre Strong, Jordan Mason, Jaleel McLaughlin
Wr: DeAndre Hopkins, Mike Evans, Diontae Johnson, Darnell Mooney, Marquez Valdes-Scantling, Jakobi Meyers, Laviska Shenault, Donovan Peoples-Jones, Denzel Mims, Richie James, Michael Wilson, Demario Douglas, Trent Sherfield
Te: George Kittle, Darren Waller, Taysom Hill, Isaiah Likely
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Rb: Jonathan Taylor, Joe Mixon, Austin Ekeler, Saquon Barkley, Cam Akers, Isiah Pacheco, Jeff Wilson, Chase Edmonds, Pierre Strong, Jordan Mason, Jaleel McLaughlin
Wr: DeAndre Hopkins, Mike Evans, Diontae Johnson, Darnell Mooney, Marquez Valdes-Scantling, Jakobi Meyers, Laviska Shenault, Donovan Peoples-Jones, Denzel Mims, Richie James, Michael Wilson, Demario Douglas, Trent Sherfield
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Giving up on him seems silly given Hendersons trajectory...zacharyringer12 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:37 am 4 snaps in 2 weeks for Akers. Does anyone still believe in him? The Ram's RBs had 25 carries last night and none of them went to Akers
That being said I thought he was closer to Dillon and Moss than Dobbins and Swift as a prospect
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Even with LAR up 14 points Akers still wasn't trusted for garbage time. He easily could've just got his 2.3 ypc and milked clock.
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RB: Bijan, JT, Saquon, J.Cook, K.Hunt, Foreman, Z.White, McKinnon, S.Tucker
WR: G.Wilson, Olave, Jeudy, Pittman, J.Williams, OBJ, N. Brown, JuJu,
TE: Chig, Conklin, L. Thomas
Taxi: M.Mims, Ro. Johnson
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'25: (2) 1sts, 2nd, 3rd, 4th
QB: Herbert, Goff
RB: Bijan, JT, Saquon, J.Cook, K.Hunt, Foreman, Z.White, McKinnon, S.Tucker
WR: G.Wilson, Olave, Jeudy, Pittman, J.Williams, OBJ, N. Brown, JuJu,
TE: Chig, Conklin, L. Thomas
Taxi: M.Mims, Ro. Johnson
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Wonder if his ribs still bother him? It's supposed to be a much longer recovery.YouMightDieTryin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:14 am Even with LAR up 14 points Akers still wasn't trusted for garbage time. He easily could've just got his 2.3 ypc and milked clock.
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3 DL, 3 LB, 3 DB, 1 Flex IDP
QB- Justin Herbert, Baker Mayfield, Deshaun Watson, Marcus Mariota, Gardner Minshew, Sam Ehlinger
RB- D’Andre Swift, Nick Chubb, Javonte Williams, Cam Akers, Kyren Williams, Jerome Ford, D’Ernest Johnson, Darrell Henderson
WR- DK Metcalf, DJ Moore, Chris Godwin, Jameson Williams, Gabe Davis, Hollywood Brown, Josh Reynolds, Calvin Austin, Laviska Shenault, Kyle Phillips
TE-Mark Andrews, Greg Dulcich, Isaiah Likely, Donald Parham, Tyler Conklin
DL-Danielle Hunter, Nick Bosa, Deforest Buckner, Jonathon Allen
LB- Micah Parsons, Jack Sanborn, Logan Wilson, Cole Holcomb, Nakobe Dean, Brian Asamoah
DB-Jeremy Chinn, Jalen Pitre, Jalen Thompson, Kam Curl, Darrick Forrest
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(2019 & 2020 Runner-Up)
1 QB, 3 RB, 4 WR, Flex, SF, 2 TE
3 DL, 3 LB, 3 DB, 1 Flex IDP
QB- Justin Herbert, Baker Mayfield, Deshaun Watson, Marcus Mariota, Gardner Minshew, Sam Ehlinger
RB- D’Andre Swift, Nick Chubb, Javonte Williams, Cam Akers, Kyren Williams, Jerome Ford, D’Ernest Johnson, Darrell Henderson
WR- DK Metcalf, DJ Moore, Chris Godwin, Jameson Williams, Gabe Davis, Hollywood Brown, Josh Reynolds, Calvin Austin, Laviska Shenault, Kyle Phillips
TE-Mark Andrews, Greg Dulcich, Isaiah Likely, Donald Parham, Tyler Conklin
DL-Danielle Hunter, Nick Bosa, Deforest Buckner, Jonathon Allen
LB- Micah Parsons, Jack Sanborn, Logan Wilson, Cole Holcomb, Nakobe Dean, Brian Asamoah
DB-Jeremy Chinn, Jalen Pitre, Jalen Thompson, Kam Curl, Darrick Forrest
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It could be. It could also be that he hasn't won the reps in practice, or they may not trust him in pass pro. Goff is subpar against pressure, so the last thing they want is their overpaid QB taking big hits on missed assignments.Shankopotamus wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:18 amWonder if his ribs still bother him? It's supposed to be a much longer recovery.YouMightDieTryin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:14 am Even with LAR up 14 points Akers still wasn't trusted for garbage time. He easily could've just got his 2.3 ypc and milked clock.
12 Team | SF | PPR | 6pt pass TD
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, SF
QB | Burrow
RB |
WR | Puka, Olave, Smith, Flowers, Dotson, Addison
TE | Pitts, Otton, Bellinger, Likely, Okonkwo
2024 | 1.01, 1.02, 4.01, 5.01
2025 | 1stx3, 3rdx3
10 Team | SF | PPR | 2023 Champ
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, SF
QB | Allen, Stroud, Young
RB | K Williams, White, Monty, Herbert, Chandler
WR | Lamb, AJB, Puka, Waddle, Mooney, J. Williams, Watson, Davis
TE | Andrews, Bellinger, Dulcich
2024 | 1.04, 3.10
12 Team | SF | PPR | 1.5TEP | 6pt pass TD
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, FL, SF
QB | Herbert Lance
RB | ETN, Pacheco, K Williams, Singletary, Henry, A Jones, Warren
WR | ARSB, Wilson, Olave, DK, Puka, Flowers, Downs,
TE | Hockenson, Likely, Otton
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, SF
QB | Burrow
RB |
WR | Puka, Olave, Smith, Flowers, Dotson, Addison
TE | Pitts, Otton, Bellinger, Likely, Okonkwo
2024 | 1.01, 1.02, 4.01, 5.01
2025 | 1stx3, 3rdx3
10 Team | SF | PPR | 2023 Champ
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, SF
QB | Allen, Stroud, Young
RB | K Williams, White, Monty, Herbert, Chandler
WR | Lamb, AJB, Puka, Waddle, Mooney, J. Williams, Watson, Davis
TE | Andrews, Bellinger, Dulcich
2024 | 1.04, 3.10
12 Team | SF | PPR | 1.5TEP | 6pt pass TD
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, FL, SF
QB | Herbert Lance
RB | ETN, Pacheco, K Williams, Singletary, Henry, A Jones, Warren
WR | ARSB, Wilson, Olave, DK, Puka, Flowers, Downs,
TE | Hockenson, Likely, Otton
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Agreed, there's a difference between lowering your valuation/expectations of him and "giving up." There's no reason to give up in the sense of dropping him or trading him for less than a 2nd. Things could change quickly due to injury.Jigga94 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:52 amGiving up on him seems silly given Hendersons trajectory...zacharyringer12 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:37 am 4 snaps in 2 weeks for Akers. Does anyone still believe in him? The Ram's RBs had 25 carries last night and none of them went to Akers
That being said I thought he was closer to Dillon and Moss than Dobbins and Swift as a prospect
What we do know is that he's not the lead back, which was the expectation and the reason his rookie ADP was 1.5. Therefore a drop in value is only reasonable, and obviously warranted given his lack of play. Holding seems reasonable given owners' likely high investment in him. Trading for a a reduced but still palatable price to get out of him if you want to mitigate risk also seems reasonable.
I hope we're starting to put to bed the ridiculous notion that the backfield usage was simply a random week-to-week whim of McVay.
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RB: Kamara, K. Hunt, Warren, Bigsby, D. Cook, Jamaal Williams, J. Wilson, McLaughlin, McKinnon, J. Kelley
WR: A.J. Brown, Diggs, K. Allen, C. Watson, Cooks, Pickens, W. Robinson
TE: Kelce, J. Smith, Musgrave
QB: Mahomes, Hurts, Minshew
RB: Kamara, K. Hunt, Warren, Bigsby, D. Cook, Jamaal Williams, J. Wilson, McLaughlin, McKinnon, J. Kelley
WR: A.J. Brown, Diggs, K. Allen, C. Watson, Cooks, Pickens, W. Robinson
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I traded Akers a while back, but honestly, even if his rookie year is a wash, he still enters next year younger than Miles Sanders did his rookie year, for some perspective.
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When I drafted Akers' I thought about the glory days with Gurley..... I forgot about the great transparency we had when Gurley had the knees of an 80 year old and you couldn't get a word out of McVay. I actually should've trusted Matt Patricia over the boy genius. Things I wish I would've known 6 months ago.
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Akers =/= Gurley. We all knew that.CL3VELANDBR0WNS wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:24 pm When I drafted Akers' I thought about the glory days with Gurley..... I forgot about the great transparency we had when Gurley had the knees of an 80 year old and you couldn't get a word out of McVay. I actually should've trusted Matt Patricia over the boy genius. Things I wish I would've known 6 months ago.
He's young and will get chances. No point in bailing low now.
12 Team | SF | PPR | 6pt pass TD
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, SF
QB | Burrow
RB |
WR | Puka, Olave, Smith, Flowers, Dotson, Addison
TE | Pitts, Otton, Bellinger, Likely, Okonkwo
2024 | 1.01, 1.02, 4.01, 5.01
2025 | 1stx3, 3rdx3
10 Team | SF | PPR | 2023 Champ
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, SF
QB | Allen, Stroud, Young
RB | K Williams, White, Monty, Herbert, Chandler
WR | Lamb, AJB, Puka, Waddle, Mooney, J. Williams, Watson, Davis
TE | Andrews, Bellinger, Dulcich
2024 | 1.04, 3.10
12 Team | SF | PPR | 1.5TEP | 6pt pass TD
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, FL, SF
QB | Herbert Lance
RB | ETN, Pacheco, K Williams, Singletary, Henry, A Jones, Warren
WR | ARSB, Wilson, Olave, DK, Puka, Flowers, Downs,
TE | Hockenson, Likely, Otton
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, SF
QB | Burrow
RB |
WR | Puka, Olave, Smith, Flowers, Dotson, Addison
TE | Pitts, Otton, Bellinger, Likely, Okonkwo
2024 | 1.01, 1.02, 4.01, 5.01
2025 | 1stx3, 3rdx3
10 Team | SF | PPR | 2023 Champ
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, SF
QB | Allen, Stroud, Young
RB | K Williams, White, Monty, Herbert, Chandler
WR | Lamb, AJB, Puka, Waddle, Mooney, J. Williams, Watson, Davis
TE | Andrews, Bellinger, Dulcich
2024 | 1.04, 3.10
12 Team | SF | PPR | 1.5TEP | 6pt pass TD
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, FL, SF
QB | Herbert Lance
RB | ETN, Pacheco, K Williams, Singletary, Henry, A Jones, Warren
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