2020 Rookie RB's
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Swift showed anything and everything you could want yesterday. His first run i believe he showed very nice patience waiting for a block to develop and he got like 10 yards off of it. He is legit and people missed their time to buy
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I dont watch the lions often (by choice obviously) but watching Swifts work from yesterday... I think KC messed up in a bad way by taking CEH. Dont get me wrong, I love how shifty and elusive CEH is, but Swift is just about as good if not better at just about every aspect of the game (faster, better at maintaining speed in subtle cuts in open field, better power) Its going to be fun watching Swifts highlights/game cut ups, and those poor Detroit fans might be in for a fun show with how talented that offense is, just have to get better coaching staff in there and it could really take off
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Nah, It's still Detroit. They wasted Megatron and Barry Sanders. What's one more wasted talent.........nathanq42 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 12:46 pm I dont watch the lions often (by choice obviously) but watching Swifts work from yesterday... I think KC messed up in a bad way by taking CEH. Dont get me wrong, I love how shifty and elusive CEH is, but Swift is just about as good if not better at just about every aspect of the game (faster, better at maintaining speed in subtle cuts in open field, better power) Its going to be fun watching Swifts highlights/game cut ups, and those poor Detroit fans might be in for a fun show with how talented that offense is, just have to get better coaching staff in there and it could really take off
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Re: 2020 Rookie RB's
Swift isn't the workhorse type like CEH is. CEH is classic between the tackles, Damien Williams was going to be their Swift type.nathanq42 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 12:46 pm I dont watch the lions often (by choice obviously) but watching Swifts work from yesterday... I think KC messed up in a bad way by taking CEH. Dont get me wrong, I love how shifty and elusive CEH is, but Swift is just about as good if not better at just about every aspect of the game (faster, better at maintaining speed in subtle cuts in open field, better power) Its going to be fun watching Swifts highlights/game cut ups, and those poor Detroit fans might be in for a fun show with how talented that offense is, just have to get better coaching staff in there and it could really take off
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Is this sarcastic?Space Cowboy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:32 pmSwift isn't the workhorse type like CEH is. CEH is classic between the tackles, Damien Williams was going to be their Swift type.nathanq42 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 12:46 pm I dont watch the lions often (by choice obviously) but watching Swifts work from yesterday... I think KC messed up in a bad way by taking CEH. Dont get me wrong, I love how shifty and elusive CEH is, but Swift is just about as good if not better at just about every aspect of the game (faster, better at maintaining speed in subtle cuts in open field, better power) Its going to be fun watching Swifts highlights/game cut ups, and those poor Detroit fans might be in for a fun show with how talented that offense is, just have to get better coaching staff in there and it could really take off
D'Andre Swift 5'9" 212 Pounds
CEH 5' 7" 207 Pounds
Clyde is thick and they can both be workhorses but... McCaffrey 5' 11" 205 coming into the league, Alvin Kamara 5' 10" 210, Dalvin Cook 5' 10" 209. Long story short, Swift is a great size and can definitely handle the touches (higher BMI than any of those guys). If you're referring to how Georgia used him, they don't like overusing any one back, their head coach is on record saying he wants Georgia to be a "RB Factory" where you learn technical skills and become pro-ready without having to destroy your body before getting paid.
When KC took CEH everyone was a little surprised, I was surprised namely that they passed on Swift as well. CEH fits their mold really well but so does Swift and Swift is a slightly more conventional back that had a larger college sample size. Swift was probably bummed to find out the one player Mahomes wanted more than any other was CEH but thems the breaks.
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Funny how so many equate Workhorse with only height and weight.Mike11 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 2:51 pmIs this sarcastic?Space Cowboy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:32 pmSwift isn't the workhorse type like CEH is. CEH is classic between the tackles, Damien Williams was going to be their Swift type.nathanq42 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 12:46 pm I dont watch the lions often (by choice obviously) but watching Swifts work from yesterday... I think KC messed up in a bad way by taking CEH. Dont get me wrong, I love how shifty and elusive CEH is, but Swift is just about as good if not better at just about every aspect of the game (faster, better at maintaining speed in subtle cuts in open field, better power) Its going to be fun watching Swifts highlights/game cut ups, and those poor Detroit fans might be in for a fun show with how talented that offense is, just have to get better coaching staff in there and it could really take off
D'Andre Swift 5'9" 212 Pounds
CEH 5' 7" 207 Pounds
Clyde is thick and they can both be workhorses but... McCaffrey 5' 11" 205 coming into the league, Alvin Kamara 5' 10" 210, Dalvin Cook 5' 10" 209. Long story short, Swift is a great size and can definitely handle the touches (higher BMI than any of those guys). If you're referring to how Georgia used him, they don't like overusing any one back, their head coach is on record saying he wants Georgia to be a "RB Factory" where you learn technical skills and become pro-ready without having to destroy your body before getting paid.
When KC took CEH everyone was a little surprised, I was surprised namely that they passed on Swift as well. CEH fits their mold really well but so does Swift and Swift is a slightly more conventional back that had a larger college sample size. Swift was probably bummed to find out the one player Mahomes wanted more than any other was CEH but thems the breaks.
Both of these may be suited for that role but when watching them play given their style CEH looks more the part.
Thick, quick burst through the hole, very low center of gravity, and leg churn or drive.
They were my top 2 backs so like them both. In the end, KC liked CEH better and don’t they are disappointed at all.
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They both are averaging 4.7 but CEH has 50 plus more carries.
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Both are good backs, but if I was a betting man my money is on swift the remainder of the fantasy season over CEH. Mainly due to more TDs, but I wouldn't be shocked to see more volume out of him in general based on chiefs plan the past few weeks.
Swift has been a nice surprise for me from the 1.09 position.
Swift has been a nice surprise for me from the 1.09 position.
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Well, when a lot of people's choices came down to Swift or Akers, glad I smashed Swift 9/10 when I could.
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To be honest I really always thought Akers > Swift was unacceptable. The Rams situation wasn't that good (they were ranked pretty poorly as a run blocking O-Line last year, DET was 9th best) and Swift was clearly the better talent. Akers over Lamb and Jeudy blew my mind too, if he was taken before any of CEH, JT, Swift, Dobbins or those 2 WRs I was pretty surprised.
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I did have Akers last in the top running back tiers, but I did have him in that tier. We'll see how this take ages Akers looks good to me, Henderson has simply looked better and that's not something many people took into consideration.Mike11 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:23 am To be honest I really always thought Akers > Swift was unacceptable. The Rams situation wasn't that good (they were ranked pretty poorly as a run blocking O-Line last year, DET was 9th best) and Swift was clearly the better talent. Akers over Lamb and Jeudy blew my mind too, if he was taken before any of CEH, JT, Swift, Dobbins or those 2 WRs I was pretty surprised.
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Incredible amount of hindsight here. An NFL team had both Akers and Dobbins on the board and chose to draft Akers yet drafting Akers over Dobbins was somehow crazy? Per game production isn’t even that far apart for those two this year. The amount of excuses Dobbins generates compared to Akers is wild.Mike11 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:23 am To be honest I really always thought Akers > Swift was unacceptable. The Rams situation wasn't that good (they were ranked pretty poorly as a run blocking O-Line last year, DET was 9th best) and Swift was clearly the better talent. Akers over Lamb and Jeudy blew my mind too, if he was taken before any of CEH, JT, Swift, Dobbins or those 2 WRs I was pretty surprised.
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I'm actually with you here. Dobbins vs. Akers was a different story, I stated as a Ravens fan earlier in the thread that I'm somewhat against consensus of Dobbins as a top 3 RB from the class and never liked him over CEH, Swift or JT. I took Swift over Dobbins in 2 rookies drafts and own Dobbins nowhere. I think I'd still prefer Dobbins to Akers right now (and I did pre-draft), but I think he's getting too much of a break.Chwf3rd wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:26 pmIncredible amount of hindsight here. An NFL team had both Akers and Dobbins on the board and chose to draft Akers yet drafting Akers over Dobbins was somehow crazy? Per game production isn’t even that far apart for those two this year. The amount of excuses Dobbins generates compared to Akers is wild.Mike11 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:23 am To be honest I really always thought Akers > Swift was unacceptable. The Rams situation wasn't that good (they were ranked pretty poorly as a run blocking O-Line last year, DET was 9th best) and Swift was clearly the better talent. Akers over Lamb and Jeudy blew my mind too, if he was taken before any of CEH, JT, Swift, Dobbins or those 2 WRs I was pretty surprised.
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Akers is 5th in the entire league in juke rate among players that have a decent amount of touches.
Juke Rate
Akers - 36%
Brown - 23%
Handy - 16%
Yards Created per Touch
Akers - 2.23
Handy - 1.27
Brown - 0.57
Run Blocking efficiency
Akers - 42.2
Handy - 83.7
Brown - 89
Light front carry rate
Akers - 24%
Handy - 39%
Brown - 54%
The coaching staff just trusts the other 2 more in the situations that garner fantasy points, such as receptions and goalline. That will change eventually. Also Akers is being consistently put into situations where he's bound to fail whereas the others are put in situations where they are bound to succeed. Look at the run blocking efficiency each RB gets and what kind of defensive front they go against. Sean McVay, stable genius!!
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Juke Rate
Akers - 36%
Brown - 23%
Handy - 16%
Yards Created per Touch
Akers - 2.23
Handy - 1.27
Brown - 0.57
Run Blocking efficiency
Akers - 42.2
Handy - 83.7
Brown - 89
Light front carry rate
Akers - 24%
Handy - 39%
Brown - 54%
The coaching staff just trusts the other 2 more in the situations that garner fantasy points, such as receptions and goalline. That will change eventually. Also Akers is being consistently put into situations where he's bound to fail whereas the others are put in situations where they are bound to succeed. Look at the run blocking efficiency each RB gets and what kind of defensive front they go against. Sean McVay, stable genius!!
Ok that’s my weekly Akers rant. Moving along...
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I absolutely love Akers and Brown will ne gone next year... Akersbois be patient
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Problem I see is Akers can't be had at the discount you probably would want. I think buyers will have to hold and at that price he carries some risk.
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