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Sriracha wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:11 am Ya never know.. but Watkins and Hightower have been very unimpressive up to this point despite being given opportunity.

When you consider the degree to which Fulgham broke out -- 2nd most receiving yards vs PIT since Gronk in 2017, first PHI WR with more than 85 receiving yards in 9 games, the fact that this came against a solid pass defense and that it was the result of 13 targets rather than a couple freak long TDs... I'd be surprised if he just disappeared into the ether after this game.

Pullo Vision wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:53 am

Sriracha wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:11 am Ya never know.. but Watkins and Hightower have been very unimpressive up to this point despite being given opportunity.

When you consider the degree to which Fulgham broke out -- 2nd most receiving yards vs PIT since Gronk in 2017, first PHI WR with more than 85 receiving yards in 9 games, the fact that this came against a solid pass defense and that it was the result of 13 targets rather than a couple freak long TDs... I'd be surprised if he just disappeared into the ether after this game.

Quez Watkins literally WAS JUST TAKEN OFF IR!!! He's had no opportunity. Zilch. I'm not burying him or Hightower because neither have produced big numbers within their first 5 NFL games.

Geez, if you treated Fulgham last year the way you're writing off Hightower and Watkins now...

murphysxm wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:10 am

The Godwin Complex wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:17 am Just got offered a Joshua Kelley for Fulgham after picking Fulgham up off the waiver wire last week. I was initially tempted but all of the fumbles combined with that muddled backfield. I’m thinking about countering for Mattison.

If you think any owner is going to give you Mattison for Fulgham you are more out of touch than I already thought.

The Godwin Complex wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:19 pm

murphysxm wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:10 am

The Godwin Complex wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:17 am Just got offered a Joshua Kelley for Fulgham after picking Fulgham up off the waiver wire last week. I was initially tempted but all of the fumbles combined with that muddled backfield. I’m thinking about countering for Mattison.

If you think any owner is going to give you Mattison for Fulgham you are more out of touch than I already thought.

Well he offered me a Joshua Kelley (drafted in 4th round) and TreQuan Smith (drafted in 3rd round)....I don’t see why THINKING about countering for Mattison is unreasonable. Whether or not I think he goes for it ‍♂️ I don’t know. Also remember I’m in a league full of Eagles fans

Pullo Vision wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:53 am

Sriracha wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:11 am Ya never know.. but Watkins and Hightower have been very unimpressive up to this point despite being given opportunity.

When you consider the degree to which Fulgham broke out -- 2nd most receiving yards vs PIT since Gronk in 2017, first PHI WR with more than 85 receiving yards in 9 games, the fact that this came against a solid pass defense and that it was the result of 13 targets rather than a couple freak long TDs... I'd be surprised if he just disappeared into the ether after this game.

Quez Watkins literally WAS JUST TAKEN OFF IR!!! He's had no opportunity. Zilch. I'm not burying him or Hightower because neither have produced big numbers within their first 5 NFL games.

Geez, if you treated Fulgham last year the way you're writing off Hightower and Watkins now...

CGW wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:26 pm

The Godwin Complex wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:19 pm

murphysxm wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:10 am

If you think any owner is going to give you Mattison for Fulgham you are more out of touch than I already thought.

Well he offered me a Joshua Kelley (drafted in 4th round) and TreQuan Smith (drafted in 3rd round)....I don’t see why THINKING about countering for Mattison is unreasonable. Whether or not I think he goes for it ‍♂️ I don’t know. Also remember I’m in a league full of Eagles fans

I wouldn't say unreasonable, just not likely to be accepted. But I've seen crazier things happen.

Pullo Vision wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:53 am

Sriracha wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:11 am Ya never know.. but Watkins and Hightower have been very unimpressive up to this point despite being given opportunity.

When you consider the degree to which Fulgham broke out -- 2nd most receiving yards vs PIT since Gronk in 2017, first PHI WR with more than 85 receiving yards in 9 games, the fact that this came against a solid pass defense and that it was the result of 13 targets rather than a couple freak long TDs... I'd be surprised if he just disappeared into the ether after this game.

Quez Watkins literally WAS JUST TAKEN OFF IR!!! He's had no opportunity. Zilch. I'm not burying him or Hightower because neither have produced big numbers within their first 5 NFL games.

Geez, if you treated Fulgham last year the way you're writing off Hightower and Watkins now...

Sriracha wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:49 pm

Pullo Vision wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:53 am

Sriracha wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:11 am Ya never know.. but Watkins and Hightower have been very unimpressive up to this point despite being given opportunity.

When you consider the degree to which Fulgham broke out -- 2nd most receiving yards vs PIT since Gronk in 2017, first PHI WR with more than 85 receiving yards in 9 games, the fact that this came against a solid pass defense and that it was the result of 13 targets rather than a couple freak long TDs... I'd be surprised if he just disappeared into the ether after this game.

Quez Watkins literally WAS JUST TAKEN OFF IR!!! He's had no opportunity. Zilch. I'm not burying him or Hightower because neither have produced big numbers within their first 5 NFL games.

Geez, if you treated Fulgham last year the way you're writing off Hightower and Watkins now...

My mistake, I guess it was just John Hightower that was pulling an 80% snap share.

Generally speaking WR's that produce this little when given opportunity don't end up as fantasy assets. That's one of the reasons I dropped Fulgahm this off-season (although.. he never got an opportunity) .. and his success thus far in the season falls under the "ya never know" category of these players.

Could Hightower or Watkins emerge eventually? Sure, but I'm going to bet on the guy that's been brilliant in a limited sample size in the NFL over similarly incredibly low hit rate prospects that have not shown us anything.

Pullo Vision wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 5:45 pm I've been chasing Philly WRs all offseason. In various leagues, I'm holding Fulgham, Hightower, Jeffrey, Ward and Watkins. How do you account for Fulgham's low draft capital (6th rounder) and getting cut by 2 teams? How do 2 good games in two seasons overcome both of those negatives? How can a player with those negatives be ranked higher than 2 players with (slightly) better draft capital and without the "cut twice" baggage? I know my answers to all that, curious your views.

Sriracha wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:30 pm

Pullo Vision wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 5:45 pm I've been chasing Philly WRs all offseason. In various leagues, I'm holding Fulgham, Hightower, Jeffrey, Ward and Watkins. How do you account for Fulgham's low draft capital (6th rounder) and getting cut by 2 teams? How do 2 good games in two seasons overcome both of those negatives? How can a player with those negatives be ranked higher than 2 players with (slightly) better draft capital and without the "cut twice" baggage? I know my answers to all that, curious your views.

Scouting is not an exact science.

Adam Thielen almost never got a chance to enter the NFL, now he's a repeat top 40 player in the NFL.

Aaron Rodgers was only recruited to CAL because Tedford went to scout his JUCO teams TE.

They're hardly the first players that have been underappreciated by multiple teams before getting their chance and breaking out.

I'm not saying that Fulgham is assuredly a stud right now, but I like his chances of being relevant infinitely more than Hightower and Watkins who have done absolutely nothing and have similarly long shot profiles.

Pullo Vision wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:25 am

Sriracha wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:30 pm Scouting is not an exact science.

Adam Thielen almost never got a chance to enter the NFL, now he's a repeat top 40 player in the NFL.

Aaron Rodgers was only recruited to CAL because Tedford went to scout his JUCO teams TE.

They're hardly the first players that have been underappreciated by multiple teams before getting their chance and breaking out.

I'm not saying that Fulgham is assuredly a stud right now, but I like his chances of being relevant infinitely more than Hightower and Watkins who have done absolutely nothing and have similarly long shot profiles.

Agree on this overall point. I'm profiting with James Robinson in several leagues. It just seems inconsistent to write off Hightower and Watkins for doing "nothing" when it took Fulgham a year and a half to do anything. What was he doing in FA tryouts and/or practice squad reps that led coaching staffs to not give him regular snaps? He only had opportunity after a team was so devastated by injuries they were scouring PSs from other teams.

Now, if you want to dismiss Hightower/Watkins for being smaller (listed as 6'2" and no more than 190, vs Fulgham's 6-2 215), I can understand that. I've heard comparisons of Fulgham to Jeffrey, or that he's only had opportunity because the lead TEs are injured/ineffective. But, dismissing two guys for not putting up big numbers in the first few games of their NFL career, while simultaneously advocating for a guy who was even less productive over the same first few games of his NFL career seems very odd.

Space Cowboy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:42 am Leonard Hankerson, similar size and stature, once had a similar game then faded. Just saying.