Travis Fulgham

[Yarnith]

I get not overhyping younger players but Jefferies has played 16games 3x in 7years and only broke 1000 twice, never as an Eagle. Jacksons played 16 2x's in 12, he does have 5 1000 yd seasons but the last one was 2016, also never as an Eagle. Its really no stretch to think even healthy neither of those guys are gonna monopolize the offensive targets.

Except those 3 seasons over 1,000 yards with the Eagles (2009, 2010, 2013)...

Alshon has averaged over 7 targets per game each of the last 3 seasons in Philly. I don’t know what exactly to expect from this situation, but I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss the impact a returning DJax, Alshon, Goedert and Ertz will have on Fulgham’s targets.

Edit fail on my part, he last did it with his first stint as an Eagle. I am super quick to dismiss the old and the brittle. Alshon and Djax would have to play at their elitest career levels to justify seeing major target shares over Ertz Goedert, Raegor and Fulgham. Alshon boasted a lovely 49% catch rate last year, Djax better at 55%. Fulghams you ask? 69%. Djax and Alshon are fragile, showing thier age in every way mere ghosts of what they used to be. I fully expect the TE's to get targets, I also expect those to come more from other players who arent producing at Fulghams level than his. I own no shares of the guy but I have watched a couple eagles games and he is legit as a NFL wr.

[The MAC Machine]

.......I think he got the better deal. 3 2nds and Fulgham. You only win that deal if Fulgham fades, none of those picks hit, and JK Dobbins becomes a top RB. If all 3 of those things don’t happen you could very easily lose that deal IMO.

I mean, JK Dobbins is no James Robinson...

You're overthinking it. This is a smash accept.

Remember that time you said I was close minded? IJS - Pot calls kettle black.

I think if you can net a James Robinson type player with a 2nd rounder, and you get Fulgham on top of 3 of those picks, unless Dobbins becomes a truly elite RB like Kamara or McCaffrey, it’s very possible that this deal could be a loss.

I am also coming to the table with the belief that with the emergence of Fulgham, Alshon or DJax won’t be back next year. The Eagles could save $20 mill in cap by moving them.

I am also coming to the table with the belief that JK Dobbins may not be a top RB. He will be a solid back, but I think his production will be replaceable. But that’s just my opinion.

[hoos89]

.......I think he got the better deal. 3 2nds and Fulgham. You only win that deal if Fulgham fades, none of those picks hit, and JK Dobbins becomes a top RB. If all 3 of those things don’t happen you could very easily lose that deal IMO.

Only something like one in three RBs/WRs taken in the 2nd ever have ONE top 24 seasons. And that's in 12 team...this is 16 team so drop that to probably more like 25%. If those 3 2nds are distributed early/mid/late then the 12 team equivalent of those picks is: mid-late 2nd, late 2nd-early 3rd, early-mid 3rd.

Even if one or two "hit" that doesn't necessarily mean they're studs...could just become solid flex players or whatever. In a 16 team league this is a smash accept for Dobbins. Studs are what wins in fantasy (especially stud RBs), and there is a much higher chance that Dobbins ends up a stud than any of those pieces.

[FantasyFreak]

.......I think he got the better deal. 3 2nds and Fulgham. You only win that deal if Fulgham fades, none of those picks hit, and JK Dobbins becomes a top RB. If all 3 of those things don’t happen you could very easily lose that deal IMO.

Only something like one in three RBs/WRs taken in the 2nd ever have ONE top 24 seasons. And that's in 12 team...this is 16 team so drop that to probably more like 25%. If those 3 2nds are distributed early/mid/late then the 12 team equivalent of those picks is: mid-late 2nd, late 2nd-early 3rd, early-mid 3rd.

Even if one or two "hit" that doesn't necessarily mean they're studs...could just become solid flex players or whatever. In a 16 team league this is a smash accept for Dobbins. Studs are what wins in fantasy (especially stud RBs), and there is a much higher chance that Dobbins ends up a stud than any of those pieces.

Yeah, that's an easy deal to make, as it stands now. You make moves like that, you come out on top more often than not.

[FantasyFreak]

The overthinking on these threads always amaze me, so much overanalysis. Here is the deal, was he drafted in the 6th round and cut from a few teams? Yes. Was he ever on the field for meaningful snaps? No. So we never got to see what he could do and were just going off of coaches judgement during practice, judgements from Matt Patricia no less who is still playing AP over Swift. Why would we do this?

Now when he has been on the field he has produced to at least be fantasy relevant, including one monster game. Yes he is the only person to throw to but he is making the absolute best of this opportunity which is exactly what these kinds of guys need to do. The Alshon and Djax talk is laughable. Fulgham has taken opportunity from them and has earned that. Do players go on hot streaks then fade away into oblivion?Yes. Is that possible with Fulgham? Yes. But i think fading into the dust this is more rare than the dynasty community makes it seem. Typically when a WR gets the league, they get the league, things click and they produce consistently. It looks like Fulgham has gotten it. Like other posters have said I think the future of this team is Raegor, Goedert and Fulgham. Fulgham should be fantasy relevant from here on out.

LOL. So 2 productive games and he's the future of this team? That's a bit of under analysis, if you ask me. There can be a middle ground. People around here have probably seen a lot of football, and players like this produce for a few weeks with a plethora of injuries, before fading into oblivion, countless times. Being skeptical of long term production right now is logical. The idea that AP/Swift playing time should factor into the equation of how to value Fulgham really isn't an argument.

[Sriracha]

LOL. So 2 productive games and he's the future of this team? That's a bit of under analysis, if you ask me. There can be a middle ground. People around here have probably seen a lot of football, and players like this produce for a few weeks with a plethora of injuries, before fading into oblivion, countless times. Being skeptical of long term production right now is logical.

Can you remind me of these players who start out their careers 3 for 3 and then fade into oblivion?

[FantasyFreak]

LOL. So 2 productive games and he's the future of this team? That's a bit of under analysis, if you ask me. There can be a middle ground. People around here have probably seen a lot of football, and players like this produce for a few weeks with a plethora of injuries, before fading into oblivion, countless times. Being skeptical of long term production right now is logical.

Can you remind me of these players who start out their careers 3 for 3 and then fade into oblivion?

Do your own research. My point stands. Lots of players produce for short periods of time, before becoming an afterthought, especially when entrenched starters return from injury. BTW, he starts 0-3. He played 3 games last year, registering targets in 2 of them, and didn't register a catch.

[Sriracha]

LOL. So 2 productive games and he's the future of this team? That's a bit of under analysis, if you ask me. There can be a middle ground. People around here have probably seen a lot of football, and players like this produce for a few weeks with a plethora of injuries, before fading into oblivion, countless times. Being skeptical of long term production right now is logical.

Can you remind me of these players who start out their careers 3 for 3 and then fade into oblivion?

Do your own research. My point stands. Lots of players produce for short periods of time, before becoming an afterthought, especially when entrenched starters return from injury.

Does it happen? Sure, but I can't recall anyone that's hit this hard the moment they were given opportunity for 3 straight games. I imagine the sample of player that have is very small so figured you had some names in mind when you made this declaration.

Every game this happens it becomes less and less likely this is just a player getting very lucky.

[FantasyFreak]

Can you remind me of these players who start out their careers 3 for 3 and then fade into oblivion?

Do your own research. My point stands. Lots of players produce for short periods of time, before becoming an afterthought, especially when entrenched starters return from injury.

Does it happen? Sure, but I can't recall anyone that's hit this hard the moment they were given opportunity for 3 straight games. I imagine the sample of player that have is very small so figured you had some names in mind when you made this declaration.

Every game this happens it becomes less and less likely this is just a player getting very lucky.

Right, my point is you can't jump to the conclusion he's "the future of this team" or that he'll be productive from here on out, in his career, based off of this. That's a leap. It's too small a sample size for most to make that type of proclamation, and the idea people are over analyzing it, based off of that proclamation, is a bit much, IMO.

[The MAC Machine]

Do your own research. My point stands. Lots of players produce for short periods of time, before becoming an afterthought, especially when entrenched starters return from injury.

Does it happen? Sure, but I can't recall anyone that's hit this hard the moment they were given opportunity for 3 straight games. I imagine the sample of player that have is very small so figured you had some names in mind when you made this declaration.

Every game this happens it becomes less and less likely this is just a player getting very lucky.

Right, my point is you can't jump to the conclusion he's "the future of this team" or that he'll be productive from here on out, in his career, based off of this. That's a leap. It's too small a sample size for most to make that type of proclamation, and the idea people are over analyzing it, based off of that proclamation, is a bit much, IMO.

Its funny how many of these conversations are basically everyone sharing who they believe is worth leaping for based on “limited information”

You mention JK Dobbins - he is worth leaping for.
You mention Jonathan Taylor - he is worth leaping for.
You mention Justin Jefferson - he is worth leaping for.
You mention Henry Ruggs - leap away.
Jerry Jeudy - leap away.
You mentioned Fulgham - oh, we have to wait and see....

As an Eagles fan, y’all are severely downplaying the fact that we have not had a secure and steady presence at WR core in YEARS. There is nothing standing in the way of a Reagor/Fulgham/Goedert future except for DJax/Alshon/Ertz. What is it about the latter grouping that inspires doubt in the former? What does the former lack that the latter provides - aside from championship experience? Measuring up the situation is a key component of this conversation...

[FantasyFreak]

I really don't care, I just wouldn't call the guy "the future of the team" after 3 games. That's all. I am heavily invested in Wentz, so if he is, great.

Comparing Fulgham to any of those other players and their prospect profiles (and age difference) you mentioned above, isn't worth my time.

[Cameron Giles]

LOL. So 2 productive games and he's the future of this team? That's a bit of under analysis, if you ask me. There can be a middle ground. People around here have probably seen a lot of football, and players like this produce for a few weeks with a plethora of injuries, before fading into oblivion, countless times. Being skeptical of long term production right now is logical.

Can you remind me of these players who start out their careers 3 for 3 and then fade into oblivion?

Recently? Robert Foster in 2018.

30 yards in his first 6 games. After that:

3/105
2/94/1
1/27
7/104
4/108/1
4/52

Bills cut him and he just got called up by Washington today. Obviously not an apples-to-apples in terms of path, but very similar. 4 games of 90 yards or more in a 5 game stretch after he got opportunity as a rookie.

[mild]

.......I think he got the better deal. 3 2nds and Fulgham. You only win that deal if Fulgham fades, none of those picks hit, and JK Dobbins becomes a top RB. If all 3 of those things don’t happen you could very easily lose that deal IMO.

I mean, JK Dobbins is no James Robinson...

You're overthinking it. This is a smash accept.

Remember that time you said I was close minded? IJS - Pot calls kettle black...

I do not. I've never said that specifically to you, I think you're thinking of someone else.

I did say that James Robinson was a worthy sell for a 2nd after his first week of smashing. And I also was the one keen for you to keep your James Robinson avatar for the next 3 years. That's all I can recall.

Anyway, if you really need the differences between what sets Dobbins / JT / JJeff / Ruggs / Jeudy apart from Travis Fulgham, then we are clearly approaching this dynasty thing from different planets. Shine on, you crazy diamond.

[hoos89]

I mean, JK Dobbins is no James Robinson...

You're overthinking it. This is a smash accept.

Remember that time you said I was close minded? IJS - Pot calls kettle black...

I do not. I've never said that specifically to you, I think you're thinking of someone else.

I did say that James Robinson was a worthy sell for a 2nd after his first week of smashing. And I also was the one keen for you to keep your James Robinson avatar for the next 3 years. That's all I can recall.

Anyway, if you really need the differences between what sets Dobbins / JT / JJeff / Ruggs / Jeudy apart from Travis Fulgham, then we are clearly approaching this dynasty thing from different planets. Shine on, you crazy diamond.

Seriously since when is it a leap to bet on highly drafted RBs with solidified roles (or a clear path to one)?

[Ruggenater]

LOL. So 2 productive games and he's the future of this team? That's a bit of under analysis, if you ask me. There can be a middle ground. People around here have probably seen a lot of football, and players like this produce for a few weeks with a plethora of injuries, before fading into oblivion, countless times. Being skeptical of long term production right now is logical.

Can you remind me of these players who start out their careers 3 for 3 and then fade into oblivion?

Recently? Robert Foster in 2018.

30 yards in his first 6 games. After that:

3/105
2/94/1
1/27
7/104
4/108/1
4/52

Bills cut him and he just got called up by Washington today. Obviously not an apples-to-apples in terms of path, but very similar. 4 games of 90 yards or more in a 5 game stretch after he got opportunity as a rookie.

Keelan Cole had a huge start in his rookie year as an UDFA. He then faded to irrelevance for the past two seasons before coming on again this year. That kind of volatility/value is what I’d expect from Fulgham long-term.