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Re: Travis Fulgham

Postby dynastyninja » Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:29 am

bjd5211 wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:24 am
Cameron Giles wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:15 am
Krypto_King wrote:
Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:45 pm
you guys are arguing Mike Evans vs a guy named after Chris Godwin... not worth it
The funny part is that Godwin's had a slow start as well and doesn't have the production history of Evans, but you're not going to see any one trade Godwin for Fulgham and a 2nd.
Turco is getting a little more subtle
You know, I've been wondering why he seemed so off whenever I read his stuff. That makes a lot of sense.

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Re: Travis Fulgham

Postby Patsfan86 » Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:50 am

dynastyninja wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:29 am
bjd5211 wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:24 am
Cameron Giles wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:15 am


The funny part is that Godwin's had a slow start as well and doesn't have the production history of Evans, but you're not going to see any one trade Godwin for Fulgham and a 2nd.
Turco is getting a little more subtle
You know, I've been wondering why he seemed so off whenever I read his stuff. That makes a lot of sense.
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Re: Travis Fulgham

Postby The Godwin Complex » Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:00 am

Patsfan86 wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:14 am
Dynasty is not redraft and for anyone to even be defending this trade is silly, it was a bad trade, it just is. We all make them, it happens but this one is bad. You can argue with me if you want but there really is nothing to argue, its bad. Move on.
My argument is that its not as bad as everyone is says it is. I’m not opposing everyone as much as I am just challenging the hoard mentality. Could the deal be better? Sure, I can agree to that (and i have actually agreed to that). But for everyone here to say its a landslide without offering up any clear feedback or ideas about what else would be needed to satisfy the gap between Fulgham/2nd for Evans - thats what I’m honing in on. The discussion I’m trying to have is a very practical one. Its the unwillingness to move from the “Unquestionable Mike Evans” that is hindering the discussion. All I hear is a bunch of people crapping on the trade and beating around the bush of my questions of what could practically make the gap closer. And then misrepresenting my position so as to dismiss the questions I pose.

I dont think anybody here is crazy. I just think we are having 2 different conversations for whatever reason. :think:

Conversation some of you are having: good trade vs bad trade?

Conversation I’m having: what could have made this trade better? Where does Fulgham land on a sliding scale of rookie/sophomore WRs?
2020 BOLD PREDICTIONS
James Robinson’s 2020 production in PPR will be comparable to or better than
Antonio Gibson, DeAndre Swift, and Cam Akers.
Are You Willing To Put Up or Shut Up?
Make Your Bold Prediction Here



12 TEAM SUPERFLEX PPR
START: QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 2 TE, 3 FLEX, 1 SUPERFLEX
ROSTER STARTERS
QB: B. Roethlisberger (PIT)
RB: N. Chubb (CLE), L. Fournette (TB)
WR: C. Godwin (TB), C. Sutton (DEN), J. Smith-Schuster (PIT),
TE: B. Jarwin (DAL), M. Alie-Cox (IND)
FLEX: J. Landry (CLE), D. Harris (NE), R. Cobb (HOU)
SUPERFLEX: Sam Darnold (NYJ)


BENCH:
QB: G. Minshew (JAX), J. Luton (Jax), M. Rudolph (PIT)
RB: R. Penny (SEA), S. Michel (NE), D. Dallas (SEA), K. Vaughn (TB), JJ Taylor (NE), J. Howard (MIA), J. Wilkins (IND), C. Patterson (CHI)
WR: T. Fulgham (PHI), G. Olszewski (NE), W. Snead (BAL), A. Tate (CIN), L. Fitzgerald (AZ),
TE: D. Asiasi (NE), D. Njoku (CLE), D. Keene (NE)

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Re: Travis Fulgham

Postby Patsfan86 » Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:06 am

The Godwin Complex wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:00 am
Patsfan86 wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:14 am
Dynasty is not redraft and for anyone to even be defending this trade is silly, it was a bad trade, it just is. We all make them, it happens but this one is bad. You can argue with me if you want but there really is nothing to argue, its bad. Move on.
My argument is that its not as bad as everyone is says it is. I’m not opposing everyone as much as I am just challenging the hoard mentality. Could the deal be better? Sure, I can agree to that (and i have actually agreed to that). But for everyone here to say its a landslide without offering up any clear feedback or ideas about what else would be needed to satisfy the gap between Fulgham/2nd for Evans - thats what I’m honing in on. The discussion I’m trying to have is a very practical one. Its the unwillingness to move from the “Unquestionable Mike Evans” that is hindering the discussion. All I hear is a bunch of people crapping on the trade and beating around the bush of my questions of what could practically make the gap closer. And then misrepresenting my position so as to dismiss the questions I pose.

I dont think anybody here is crazy. I just think we are having 2 different conversations for whatever reason. :think:

Conversation some of you are having: good trade vs bad trade?

Conversation I’m having: what could have made this trade better? Where does Fulgham land on a sliding scale of rookie/sophomore WRs?
So valuations are gonna be all over the place here because we all value Fulgham differently, i like fulgham a lot, but id say a projected top 6 pick and Fulgham for Evans would have been fair.

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Re: Travis Fulgham

Postby The Godwin Complex » Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:10 am

Patsfan86 wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:06 am
So valuations are gonna be all over the place here but id say s projected top 6 pick and Fulgham for Evans would have been fair
CGW wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:44 am
So you want a list of things I would add to Fulgham for Evans? The list is close to endless. But to make thing simple, it's more than a 2nd. To take my personal bias out, here's a few examples of DTC values from our MFL leagues of some random assets.

Evans 22.7
Fulgham 6.7
2nd 5.0
1st 19.3
Diontae 16.7
Jeudy 17.7
Aiyuk 17.0
CGW: So from what I understand Fulgham + Diontae would be the only option based on these numbers....

PatsFan: Fulgham and an early 1st for Evans is on the table.....

Anybody else?
2020 BOLD PREDICTIONS
James Robinson’s 2020 production in PPR will be comparable to or better than
Antonio Gibson, DeAndre Swift, and Cam Akers.
Are You Willing To Put Up or Shut Up?
Make Your Bold Prediction Here



12 TEAM SUPERFLEX PPR
START: QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 2 TE, 3 FLEX, 1 SUPERFLEX
ROSTER STARTERS
QB: B. Roethlisberger (PIT)
RB: N. Chubb (CLE), L. Fournette (TB)
WR: C. Godwin (TB), C. Sutton (DEN), J. Smith-Schuster (PIT),
TE: B. Jarwin (DAL), M. Alie-Cox (IND)
FLEX: J. Landry (CLE), D. Harris (NE), R. Cobb (HOU)
SUPERFLEX: Sam Darnold (NYJ)


BENCH:
QB: G. Minshew (JAX), J. Luton (Jax), M. Rudolph (PIT)
RB: R. Penny (SEA), S. Michel (NE), D. Dallas (SEA), K. Vaughn (TB), JJ Taylor (NE), J. Howard (MIA), J. Wilkins (IND), C. Patterson (CHI)
WR: T. Fulgham (PHI), G. Olszewski (NE), W. Snead (BAL), A. Tate (CIN), L. Fitzgerald (AZ),
TE: D. Asiasi (NE), D. Njoku (CLE), D. Keene (NE)

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Re: Travis Fulgham

Postby CGW » Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:11 am

The Godwin Complex wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:00 am
Patsfan86 wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:14 am
Dynasty is not redraft and for anyone to even be defending this trade is silly, it was a bad trade, it just is. We all make them, it happens but this one is bad. You can argue with me if you want but there really is nothing to argue, its bad. Move on.
My argument is that its not as bad as everyone is says it is. I’m not opposing everyone as much as I am just challenging the hoard mentality. Could the deal be better? Sure, I can agree to that (and i have actually agreed to that). But for everyone here to say its a landslide without offering up any clear feedback or ideas about what else would be needed to satisfy the gap between Fulgham/2nd for Evans - thats what I’m honing in on. The discussion I’m trying to have is a very practical one. Its the unwillingness to move from the “Unquestionable Mike Evans” that is hindering the discussion. All I hear is a bunch of people crapping on the trade and beating around the bush of my questions of what could practically make the gap closer. And then misrepresenting my position so as to dismiss the questions I pose.

I dont think anybody here is crazy. I just think we are having 2 different conversations for whatever reason. :think:

Conversation some of you are having: good trade vs bad trade?

Conversation I’m having: what could have made this trade better? Where does Fulgham land on a sliding scale of rookie/sophomore WRs?

I'm not about to list out every WR drafted in the past 2 years ranked against Fulgham. You can find a ranking site you prefer for that. There's plenty above and plenty below him.

I'm pretty confident I gave a ton of reasons why this deal isn't equitable, ranging from Evans hall of fame bound stats, elite prospect metrics, elite proven NFL talent over 6 seasons, only 27 years old (2 older than fulgham) and squarely in the physical prime for most athletes. I've even given you a sample of player values from a trade calculator (which also grades Evans pretty low, fyi) so you could get an idea of how to make the trade in question more equitable.

Maybe I'm missing what you are looking for...
12 Team | SF | PPR | 6pt pass TD
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, SF

QB | Watson, Cousins, Darnold, Trubisky, Flacco
RB | Taylor, Gaskin, Singletary, Wilkins, Ahmed, Wilson
WR | Adams, Evans, Golladay, Cooper, Miller, G. Davis, Mooney, Pascal, Coutee
TE | Andrews, Alie-Cox, Rodgers, Herndon

10 Team | SF | PPR
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, SF

QB | Murray, Tagovailoa, Minshew
RB | Montgomery, Swift, Dobbins, R. Jones, Singletary, Vaughn
WR | Godwin, AJ Brown, Lamb, D. Johnson, Aiyuk, M. Brown, Slayton, Mooney, Kirk, Reynolds, Fulgham, Peoples-Jones, Perriman
TE | Andrews, Henry, Sample, Schultz

12 Team | SF | PPR | 6pt pass TD
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, FL, SF

QB | Watson, Wilson, Darnold, Trubisky, Glennon, Stidham
RB | Hines, Henderson, Wilkins, Penny, Ahmed, Guice
WR | Evans, Ridley, Golladay, Kupp, D. Johnson, Pittman, Fulgham, Mooney, Ward, T. Smith
TE | L. Thomas, Ertz, Herndon, Sternberger

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Re: Travis Fulgham

Postby CGW » Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:13 am

The Godwin Complex wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:10 am
Patsfan86 wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:06 am
So valuations are gonna be all over the place here but id say s projected top 6 pick and Fulgham for Evans would have been fair
CGW wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:44 am
So you want a list of things I would add to Fulgham for Evans? The list is close to endless. But to make thing simple, it's more than a 2nd. To take my personal bias out, here's a few examples of DTC values from our MFL leagues of some random assets.

Evans 22.7
Fulgham 6.7
2nd 5.0
1st 19.3
Diontae 16.7
Jeudy 17.7
Aiyuk 17.0
CGW: So from what I understand Fulgham + Diontae would be the only option based on these numbers....

PatsFan: Fulgham and an early 1st for Evans is on the table.....

Anybody else?
Seriously? I'm done with you.

I randomly picked a few assets. I could probably list about 100 more that would qualify in the same range....the point was just showing there were a few scenarios that could make it closer.
12 Team | SF | PPR | 6pt pass TD
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, SF

QB | Watson, Cousins, Darnold, Trubisky, Flacco
RB | Taylor, Gaskin, Singletary, Wilkins, Ahmed, Wilson
WR | Adams, Evans, Golladay, Cooper, Miller, G. Davis, Mooney, Pascal, Coutee
TE | Andrews, Alie-Cox, Rodgers, Herndon

10 Team | SF | PPR
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, SF

QB | Murray, Tagovailoa, Minshew
RB | Montgomery, Swift, Dobbins, R. Jones, Singletary, Vaughn
WR | Godwin, AJ Brown, Lamb, D. Johnson, Aiyuk, M. Brown, Slayton, Mooney, Kirk, Reynolds, Fulgham, Peoples-Jones, Perriman
TE | Andrews, Henry, Sample, Schultz

12 Team | SF | PPR | 6pt pass TD
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FL, FL, SF

QB | Watson, Wilson, Darnold, Trubisky, Glennon, Stidham
RB | Hines, Henderson, Wilkins, Penny, Ahmed, Guice
WR | Evans, Ridley, Golladay, Kupp, D. Johnson, Pittman, Fulgham, Mooney, Ward, T. Smith
TE | L. Thomas, Ertz, Herndon, Sternberger

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Re: Travis Fulgham

Postby The Godwin Complex » Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:19 am

CGW wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:13 am
The Godwin Complex wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:10 am
Patsfan86 wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:06 am
So valuations are gonna be all over the place here but id say s projected top 6 pick and Fulgham for Evans would have been fair
CGW wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:44 am
So you want a list of things I would add to Fulgham for Evans? The list is close to endless. But to make thing simple, it's more than a 2nd. To take my personal bias out, here's a few examples of DTC values from our MFL leagues of some random assets.

Evans 22.7
Fulgham 6.7
2nd 5.0
1st 19.3
Diontae 16.7
Jeudy 17.7
Aiyuk 17.0
CGW: So from what I understand Fulgham + Diontae would be the only option based on these numbers....

PatsFan: Fulgham and an early 1st for Evans is on the table.....

Anybody else?
Seriously? I'm done with you.

I randomly picked a few assets. I could probably list about 100 more that would qualify in the same range....the point was just showing there were a few scenarios that could make it closer.
You misread me. Or maybe I didnt communicate fully. Stupid internet lol. I didnt mean those were the only options PERIOD. I meant solely based on the scenarios you presented. I didnt expect you to list 100 different possibilities.The sample you contributed here has been most helpful in adding to the progress of the conversation. Geez 😂
2020 BOLD PREDICTIONS
James Robinson’s 2020 production in PPR will be comparable to or better than
Antonio Gibson, DeAndre Swift, and Cam Akers.
Are You Willing To Put Up or Shut Up?
Make Your Bold Prediction Here



12 TEAM SUPERFLEX PPR
START: QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 2 TE, 3 FLEX, 1 SUPERFLEX
ROSTER STARTERS
QB: B. Roethlisberger (PIT)
RB: N. Chubb (CLE), L. Fournette (TB)
WR: C. Godwin (TB), C. Sutton (DEN), J. Smith-Schuster (PIT),
TE: B. Jarwin (DAL), M. Alie-Cox (IND)
FLEX: J. Landry (CLE), D. Harris (NE), R. Cobb (HOU)
SUPERFLEX: Sam Darnold (NYJ)


BENCH:
QB: G. Minshew (JAX), J. Luton (Jax), M. Rudolph (PIT)
RB: R. Penny (SEA), S. Michel (NE), D. Dallas (SEA), K. Vaughn (TB), JJ Taylor (NE), J. Howard (MIA), J. Wilkins (IND), C. Patterson (CHI)
WR: T. Fulgham (PHI), G. Olszewski (NE), W. Snead (BAL), A. Tate (CIN), L. Fitzgerald (AZ),
TE: D. Asiasi (NE), D. Njoku (CLE), D. Keene (NE)

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Re: Travis Fulgham

Postby Ray Finkle » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:15 pm

The Godwin Complex wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:10 am
Patsfan86 wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:06 am
So valuations are gonna be all over the place here but id say s projected top 6 pick and Fulgham for Evans would have been fair
CGW wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:44 am
So you want a list of things I would add to Fulgham for Evans? The list is close to endless. But to make thing simple, it's more than a 2nd. To take my personal bias out, here's a few examples of DTC values from our MFL leagues of some random assets.

Evans 22.7
Fulgham 6.7
2nd 5.0
1st 19.3
Diontae 16.7
Jeudy 17.7
Aiyuk 17.0
CGW: So from what I understand Fulgham + Diontae would be the only option based on these numbers....

PatsFan: Fulgham and an early 1st for Evans is on the table.....

Anybody else?
I don’t like the Fulgham for Evans game. Instead I’ll send my Evans+Fulgham+2nd for Diontae+Jeudy

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Re: Travis Fulgham

Postby tresskid84 » Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:15 pm

Curious where everyone has Fulgham ranked currently. I have him at 103 overall (non-sf) in my rankings that I updated today, but am admittingly being cautious about moving him up too far, since it is a small sample size. Eagles fan though, so ive watched every snap, and he does look fantastic thus far.
2021-Orphan Rebuild, 12tm PPR, SF, 1.75 TE Prem
2 SF, 8 Flex

QB: Baker, Tyrod, Fromm
RB: Z Moss, J Williams, Kerryon, R Freeman, Adams, Scarbrough
WR: Washington, Renfrow, De Harris, M Lee,
TE: Hock, Everett, Rudolph, Reed
2021 Picks: 1.04, 1.05, 1.08, 1.10, 2.07, 2.12, 3.09, 4.02, 4.09

16tm PPR, SF, 1.5pr TE, DEVY:
1 QB, 1 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 SF, 3 Flex
Draft is rookies and devy (only 2022 NFL eligible)

QB: Lawrence(D), Fields(D)
RB: Sanders, D Harris, B Scott, Ty Johnson, Adams, Scarbrough, Love, Etienne(D), K Brooks(D)
WR: McLaurin, Shenault, T Higgins, Isabella, Johnson (TB), Johnson (LAC), A Tate, Chase(D), Waddle(D), D Smith(D), Wallace(D)
TE: Sternberger, Moreau, Hu Bryant, Warring, Oliver, Freiermuth(D), Jordan(D), Kolar(D)
2021 Picks:
4-1sts (1.01, 1.07, 1.09, 1.12)
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Re: Travis Fulgham

Postby mild » Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:52 pm

The Parent Site of this very forum just ran an article named "Stick or Flip" and said the following in conclusion on Fulgham:
Verdict: Flip

Fulgham has exceeded all expectations, but it’s time to cash out. It’s just not likely that he continues to play on 90%+ of the offensive snaps or sees a 29% target share as he has over the past three weeks. If you can pull off a trade similar to the example below, that’s a smash accept.

Send: Fulgham
Get: Jamaal Williams, 2021 2nd

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Re: Travis Fulgham

Postby Sriracha » Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:55 pm

mild wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:52 pm
The Parent Site of this very forum just ran an article named "Stick or Flip" and said the following in conclusion on Fulgham:
Verdict: Flip

Fulgham has exceeded all expectations, but it’s time to cash out. It’s just not likely that he continues to play on 90%+ of the offensive snaps or sees a 29% target share as he has over the past three weeks. If you can pull off a trade similar to the example below, that’s a smash accept.

Send: Fulgham
Get: Jamaal Williams, 2021 2nd
Curious why you think he's going to lose snaps?

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Re: Travis Fulgham

Postby tresskid84 » Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:56 pm

mild wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:52 pm
The Parent Site of this very forum just ran an article named "Stick or Flip" and said the following in conclusion on Fulgham:
Verdict: Flip

Fulgham has exceeded all expectations, but it’s time to cash out. It’s just not likely that he continues to play on 90%+ of the offensive snaps or sees a 29% target share as he has over the past three weeks. If you can pull off a trade similar to the example below, that’s a smash accept.

Send: Fulgham
Get: Jamaal Williams, 2021 2nd
That would be pretty lined up with where I have him ranked
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2 SF, 8 Flex

QB: Baker, Tyrod, Fromm
RB: Z Moss, J Williams, Kerryon, R Freeman, Adams, Scarbrough
WR: Washington, Renfrow, De Harris, M Lee,
TE: Hock, Everett, Rudolph, Reed
2021 Picks: 1.04, 1.05, 1.08, 1.10, 2.07, 2.12, 3.09, 4.02, 4.09

16tm PPR, SF, 1.5pr TE, DEVY:
1 QB, 1 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 SF, 3 Flex
Draft is rookies and devy (only 2022 NFL eligible)

QB: Lawrence(D), Fields(D)
RB: Sanders, D Harris, B Scott, Ty Johnson, Adams, Scarbrough, Love, Etienne(D), K Brooks(D)
WR: McLaurin, Shenault, T Higgins, Isabella, Johnson (TB), Johnson (LAC), A Tate, Chase(D), Waddle(D), D Smith(D), Wallace(D)
TE: Sternberger, Moreau, Hu Bryant, Warring, Oliver, Freiermuth(D), Jordan(D), Kolar(D)
2021 Picks:
4-1sts (1.01, 1.07, 1.09, 1.12)
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Re: Travis Fulgham

Postby SoftwoodGrampian » Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:14 pm

I’d hold for that computer generated offer

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Re: Travis Fulgham

Postby lic217 » Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:20 pm

A bleep second and a bleep rb? No thanks.
12 team ppr, .2 ppc
1Qb:Carr,Jones,Tua,
1-3Rb:Gaskins,Singeltary,Moss,Dobbins
2-5Wr:AJB,Deebo,Hollywood,Miller,Slayton,Fulgham
1-2TE:Gesicki,Oliver,I.smith,Thomas
2021:1,1,1,1,2,2,
2022: 1,1,1,1,1,2,2

10 team ppr, 1.5 te, long bonus,.2ppc
1-2 qb: Carr,Darnold,Tua,Minshew
2-4 rb Gaskins, Robinson, Malcolm Brown,Lyndsay
2-5 wrShepard,DJ Moore,Chark,Juedy,Renfrow,Lazard,Claypool,Hamler
1-2 te Herdon,JSmith
2021:1,1,1


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