Josh Allen - Time to Believe!

[Space Cowboy]

Josh Allen, Tim Tebow, whats the difference?

Tebow won a playoff game

I do like jokes

[OhCruelestRanter]

I don’t see why people need to hear bad things about other QBs in a Josh Allen thread. This isn’t a thread evaluating every QB in the league. If Matt Ryan looks bad next week, we don’t need to “be consistent with our critiques” and mention it her.

Murray, for what it’s worth, has also been a big time real-football disappointment for me. He basically hasn’t improved at all as a passer.

[Jfever]

I don’t see why people need to hear bad things about other QBs in a Josh Allen thread. This isn’t a thread evaluating every QB in the league. If Matt Ryan looks bad next week, we don’t need to “be consistent with our critiques” and mention it her.

Murray, for what it’s worth, has also been a big time real-football disappointment for me. He basically hasn’t improved at all as a passer.

I mentioned the consistancy or essentially the lack of it pertaining to critques. Why? Isn't it obvious?

Nope, didn't at all infer that these critiques involving other poor throws or other passing challenged qb's needed to be on this specific thread about Allen. Don't think I mentioned or infered that. I think it too is quite obvious that for whatever reason, people on this site are vocal about the negatives in regard to J.Allen's game. They have been since day one and in some respects, rightfully so. I simply do not see this type of vocal outpouring of critque on other (in my opinion) derserving players.

Maybe I'm mistaken.

[Sriracha]

I don’t see why people need to hear bad things about other QBs in a Josh Allen thread. This isn’t a thread evaluating every QB in the league. If Matt Ryan looks bad next week, we don’t need to “be consistent with our critiques” and mention it her.

Murray, for what it’s worth, has also been a big time real-football disappointment for me. He basically hasn’t improved at all as a passer.

I mentioned the consistancy or essentially the lack of it pertaining to critques. Why? Isn't it obvious?

Nope, didn't at all infer that these critiques involving other poor throws or other passing challenged qb's needed to be on this specific thread about Allen. Don't think I mentioned or infered that. I think it too is quite obvious that for whatever reason, people on this site are vocal about the negatives in regard to J.Allen's game. They have been since day one and in some respects, rightfully so. I simply do not see this type of vocal outpouring of critque on other (in my opinion) derserving players.

Maybe I'm mistaken.

Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Carson Wentz, Jimmy G, Mitch Trusbisky, Kirk Cousins, Matt Ryan, Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers, Drew Lock, Daniel Jones, Teddy Bridgewater, Matthew Stafford, Sam Darnold, Jared Goff...

Unless you're a young, proven stud there are going to be people criticizing you if you're underperforming (Even the Goats like Brady, Brees, Rodgers have their "he's dust" criticisms).

Probably the only QB in the NFL that could go without criticism for a couple bad games is Patrick Mahomes.

Josh Allen is not unique in this regard. He's just had more bad games over his career than most QBs that are propped up, so he gets a little more attention.

[DLF3000]

My points on Murray were absolutely relevant to Josh Allen.

They both can't hit the broad side of a barn more often than average, and they're both good, young running QBs, albeit stylistically different, and most importantly, this year, they're both fantasy monsters.

The real question is why *wouldn't* we discuss similar QBs in a thread about a specific QB?

[Sriracha]

My points on Murray were absolutely relevant to Josh Allen.

They both can't hit the broad side of a barn more often than average, and they're both good, young running QBs, albeit stylistically different, and most importantly, this year, they're both fantasy monsters.

The real question is why *wouldn't* we discuss similar QBs in a thread about a specific QB?

I don't see Murray with extreme accuracy issues -- on average. His completion percentage has been very high since college and over his entire career has been much higher than Allen's.

He did have a bad game last night.. but that's been an outlier so far in his career.

[DLF3000]

My points on Murray were absolutely relevant to Josh Allen.

They both can't hit the broad side of a barn more often than average, and they're both good, young running QBs, albeit stylistically different, and most importantly, this year, they're both fantasy monsters.

The real question is why *wouldn't* we discuss similar QBs in a thread about a specific QB?

I don't see Murray with extreme accuracy issues -- on average. His completion percentage has been very high since college and over his entire career has been much higher than Allen's.

He did have a bad game last night.. but that's been an outlier so far in his career.

I admit his showing last night was a huge surprise to me. Hopefully it's just a random bad game then.

[FantasyFreak]

My points on Murray were absolutely relevant to Josh Allen.

They both can't hit the broad side of a barn more often than average, and they're both good, young running QBs, albeit stylistically different, and most importantly, this year, they're both fantasy monsters.

The real question is why *wouldn't* we discuss similar QBs in a thread about a specific QB?

I don't see Murray with extreme accuracy issues -- on average. His completion percentage has been very high since college and over his entire career has been much higher than Allen's.

He did have a bad game last night.. but that's been an outlier so far in his career.

Murray throws a ton of short passes, which helps that completion percentage, but he's certainly more accurate than Allen. Murray really hasn't developed as a passer thus far, though. His legs keep him dangerous, but he's not much more than an average NFL passer at this point.

[Sriracha]

Murray throws a ton of short passes, which helps that completion percentage, but he's certainly more accurate than Allen. Murray really hasn't developed as a passer thus far, though. His legs keep him dangerous, but he's not much more than an average NFL passer at this point.

Fair, I've been dubious of his QB3 dynasty ranking, as well. So many of these promising year 1 QBs never fulfill their potential.

[Jigga94]

Murray throws a ton of short passes, which helps that completion percentage, but he's certainly more accurate than Allen. Murray really hasn't developed as a passer thus far, though. His legs keep him dangerous, but he's not much more than an average NFL passer at this point.

Fair, I've been dubious of his QB3 dynasty ranking, as well. So many of these promising year 1 QBs never fulfill their potential.

Cough cough Baker

[Ice]

Murray throws a ton of short passes, which helps that completion percentage, but he's certainly more accurate than Allen. Murray really hasn't developed as a passer thus far, though. His legs keep him dangerous, but he's not much more than an average NFL passer at this point.

Fair, I've been dubious of his QB3 dynasty ranking, as well. So many of these promising year 1 QBs never fulfill their potential.

By passing metrics Allen has been better than Murray. Rushing is about 3-1 in favor of Murray YTD.

Completion % 67 to 66
Yards per attempt 7.9 to 7.3
Passing yards 1711 to 1487
Passing TD's 16 - 10
Int 4 Allen 6 Murray
QB Rating 108 - 91

[tresskid84]

I was ready to eat a bunch of crow on here . . . until Tuesday!!! lol. In all seriousness, it looks like Josh Allen is well on his way to making me look like a buffoon

Maybe not

[Jigga94]

Sure didn't light up the Jets but he still goes for 300 yards on 70% and adds 60 yards rushing. The fumble hurt but he still scores 16 points.

Last 3 weeks he's averaging 16 points, which looks like his floor. First 4 he averaged 30. He's elite for fantasy purposes and he's winning NFL games

[mild]

Sure didn't light up the Jets but he still goes for 300 yards on 70% and adds 60 yards rushing. The fumble hurt but he still scores 16 points.

Last 3 weeks he's averaging 16 points, which looks like his floor. First 4 he averaged 30. He's elite for fantasy purposes and he's winning NFL games

I'm not feeling very bullish. That was the Jets. He seemed to be regressing in real time today - late to fire shots into wide-open windows, and always defaulting to tucking and running.

There was one rush he did that was maddening, he had Diggs wide open and rather than throwing it, motioned him to lead block for him I guess this is just who he is.

[tresskid84]

Sure didn't light up the Jets but he still goes for 300 yards on 70% and adds 60 yards rushing. The fumble hurt but he still scores 16 points.

Last 3 weeks he's averaging 16 points, which looks like his floor. First 4 he averaged 30. He's elite for fantasy purposes and he's winning NFL games

I won't argue that because he scrambles so much, he has great fantasy value. That much is clearly true.