Ice wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:45 am
Unbelievable,
Whats unbelievable is that you dont seem to be capable of having a civil conversation. Even if i was completely 100% dead wrong ( im not) and even if i was the newbiest of the newbs on this site (im not) , if you cant even answer a followup question without devolving into personal attacks, then all your knowledge and experience is wasted. I dont have 30 years of studying GM's, but i have one skill that you obviously dont: I can admit i dont know everything, and am open to learning. People who dont have the self awareness to understand that they could be wrong are what make forums like these insufferable at times, because it kills give and take, and blocks the flow of information with ego driven bullsh*t.
Ice wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:45 am
First of all, I gave you my insight. If you think it disingenuous then you sir are devoid of reasoning. What is disingenuous is cherry picking as if that is the only the metric I used.
If you want to go back to 2016 take a look at his playoffs in 2016. 17 receptions on 23 targets with 332 yards and 2 TD's over those 3 games. To put his performance in some perspective. Julio Jones who also had a massive playoff run caught 19 of his 24 targets for 334 yards and three touchdowns.
So what youre saying is "Dont cherry pick stats, but here let me cherry pick the F out of those stats." LOL Got it.
Lets do this:
Jamison Crowder Career (three seasons) 280 targets, 193 receptions 2240 yards 12 TDs
Chris Hogan Career (five seasons) 254 targets, 159 receptions, 2048 yards, 15 Tds
Hogan has never had more than 61 targets, or 41 receptions in a season, and will be 30 in October. Crowder has never had fewer than 78 targets or 59 receptions and just turned 25.
Taking the position that in a Dynasty league, preferring Crowder to Hogan is hardly some indefensible hot take. Semi-productive WRs with career numbers like Hogan's dont blow up when they are 30. Hogan is IMO at best a 2 year BYE week fill in who is on the downswing of his career. Crowder may not ever be a WR1, but he at least has some small potential for growth.
Ice wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:45 am
Edleman should only help Hogan when he returns While he is back, after a year off, Cooks is gone. Target distribution should remain high for Hogan, Edleman, and Gronk
So then why isnt 2016 relevant (when there was no Cooks, Gronk was out half the season, and Edelman played all 16 games) but Hogan still only managed 50 targets and 38 receptions? Personally i dont think you have an answer for this, and this is the point where you will get nasty with me, or storm off. But, like i said, im perfectly capable of admitting i might be wrong. So im open to you proving me wrong.
Bottom line is: To each his own. If you want to tout Hogan as the Second Coming, then go for it. You should just try to be a little less of a condescending ahole when you come down from on high and favor us with your pearls of wisdom.