James Robinson

[MFundercover]

I'm a Robinson owner and I would be ecstatic to get Allen Robinson for him. There is still a path for him to be a good fantasy asset but the smart bet is to stay away. I'd buy low if the owner was jumping off a cliff but I'm not selling him for pennies.

What are JRob owners selling for? mid 2nd? In a SF I'd still rather have the 2.08ish. I'm prefer Elijah Moore, Toney, Rondale Moore, and probably Terrace Marshall over him at this point. I'm leaning round 1/2 NFL capital over UDFA backup. After the guys mentioned above I'd start to be torn on Gainwell, Carter or Jrob. Also not sure about 2nd round NFL players like Eskridge and Tutu. Guys like Tuta and Eskridge are my line where I start to lean Jrob on the chance ETN takes the Penny path or gets injured, etc.

I play 1qb and I'm too tired to look at SF adps, but yeah. That's about the range I would sell Jrob for. I would not sell him for Gainwell or Carter.

[Cherokee]

JRob reeks of Thomas Rawls

[ThunderTung]

JRob reeks of Thomas Rawls

oooh I really like that comp

[Cameron Giles]

JRob reeks of Thomas Rawls

[SteveMaddensShoes]

If only someone had warned us this could happen...

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Re: Jacksonville backfield, who is the guy?
Postby SteveMaddensShoes » Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:28 am

I see both sides. A 3rd is the battle ground on this issue. I'd think we all sell for a 2nd happily. If not then you need to reassess, imo.

Saying that it doesn't cost you anything to hold is just wrong. It costs you a 2md round pick if someone offers you that and you decline.

I like Robinson, but look at all the guys who were like Robinson who actually PERFORMED ON THE FIELD. The Zac Stacy's and Thomas Rawls who were pretty good and suddenly, poof, they are gone. Pedigree counts for so much unfortunately. Alot of what it counts for is likely behind the scenes value that we don't understand either. Guys who can't get along, who don't learn playbooks, who argue and ignore coaches, who are late to meetings, Yada Yada. With a 1st or 2nd round draft pedigree though, teams seem to put up with more or maybe it was never the problem to begin with.

I think I used to swing for the fences more but realize that dynasty, like almost every skill or path in life, is an ACCUMULATION of asset, talent and value over time. An accumulation of small wins and little gains here and there. Picking up a guy and trading him for a late 2nd might have landed you Cooper Kupp, Diggs, Mahomes, Aiuyck, AJ Dillon, Antonio Gibson, etc. Would you bust some of those? Obv. But that 2nd is more likely to turn into a 1st as well. If Robinson tears it up week 1 and goes for 100 and a td, what does that mean? Can you get a 1st? Probably not. What if Gibson does the same? Suddenly his value is in the early mid 1st range. Because of pedigree.

It's a long game. I get wanting to grab the next foster and Holmes. But go for the value if you can.


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(Obviously JRob WAS worth more than a 2nd at one point, but under the VERY BEST of circumstances he was worth a 1st when EVERYTHING broke right for the season, no injuries, no other RBs, high volume, high level of performance, etc and he still couldn't hold his value.

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Yes, I am being a dick about this. I've waited all year for this and am now enjoying it.

Hopefully for JRob owners and JRob himeself he gets another chance and proves me wrong.

[kadun2]

Awesome, SteveMaddenShoes!

I too hope he gets another chance and proves you wrong

[The MAC Machine]

Not to pivot too hard here....

But I think it’s fascinating that a player like Robinson can be faded so hard because of draft capital in comparison to ETN, but when it comes to Ronald Jones we don’t fade him as hard because of Leonard Fournettes capital. And Fournette produced 2 top 10 RB seasons. But instead we fade both Rojo and Fournette with no mention of capital....and Fournette had 2 top 10 RB seasons and a monster playoff tear. With everyone’s logic about draft capital Fournette should be a valuable target. But he’s not because....draft capital doesn’t mean jack. It only means something when we want it to mean something.

[Ice]

Not to pivot too hard here....

But I think it’s fascinating that a player like Robinson can be faded so hard because of draft capital in comparison to ETN, but when it comes to Ronald Jones we don’t fade him as hard because of Leonard Fournettes capital. And Fournette produced 2 top 10 RB seasons. But instead we fade both Rojo and Fournette with no mention of capital....and Fournette had 2 top 10 RB seasons and a monster playoff tear. With everyone’s logic about draft capital Fournette should be a valuable target. But he’s not because....draft capital doesn’t mean jack. It only means something when we want it to mean something.

Very different situations here. New Coach, New System, Major relationship between Rookie QB and Rookie RB, and a huge draft capital differential between a 1st round selection by the new administration and a FA acquisition right out of college.

Both will have a role most likely but Etienne has a ton working in his favor that fantasy owners can't help but recognize.

Like it or not Fournette has a very spotty history so not sure he is a good comparison. Robinson played great last year when teams knew they had to throw it a ton. Defenses will play differently this season IMO due to the changes in Jacksonville.

[StripesOfKC]

Not to pivot too hard here....

But I think it’s fascinating that a player like Robinson can be faded so hard because of draft capital in comparison to ETN, but when it comes to Ronald Jones we don’t fade him as hard because of Leonard Fournettes capital. And Fournette produced 2 top 10 RB seasons. But instead we fade both Rojo and Fournette with no mention of capital....and Fournette had 2 top 10 RB seasons and a monster playoff tear. With everyone’s logic about draft capital Fournette should be a valuable target. But he’s not because....draft capital doesn’t mean jack. It only means something when we want it to mean something.

First of all RoJo has good draft capital from the team he is actually on

Second of all I must have missed when the Bucs gave Fournette any draft capital

[CGW]

Not to pivot too hard here....

But I think it’s fascinating that a player like Robinson can be faded so hard because of draft capital in comparison to ETN, but when it comes to Ronald Jones we don’t fade him as hard because of Leonard Fournettes capital. And Fournette produced 2 top 10 RB seasons. But instead we fade both Rojo and Fournette with no mention of capital....and Fournette had 2 top 10 RB seasons and a monster playoff tear. With everyone’s logic about draft capital Fournette should be a valuable target. But he’s not because....draft capital doesn’t mean jack. It only means something when we want it to mean something.

I don't understand the comparison. Rojo is being faded plenty, as is LF. Good luck getting a decent 2nd for Rojo right now, I know I can't sell my share for that. The Tampa backfield is a mess.

From LF's standpoint, the reason he isn't worth a ton (as much as ETN) is because he's old and we know what he is. He will be 27 this season and is on a team with several other productive backs. If LF was drafted in 2021 to the same situation he would be going the same or higher than ETN.

[RB6]

Draft capital is irrelevant when the draft was 4 years ago and the player was cut by the team that drafted him. Apples to bowling balls.

[DynastyDabbler]

JRob reeks of Thomas Rawls

Stttooooooooop! Lmao I drafted Rawls waaaay to high in my startup (following his “breakout”) to be fair I think the broken ankle played a bug part in his decline.

I don’t know what happens to Robinson but I think he’ll have a better career than Rawls. I’m being optimistic and telling myself the JAGs will have a 1-2 punch similar to CLE.

[Ice]

JRob reeks of Thomas Rawls

Stttooooooooop! Lmao I drafted Rawls waaaay to high in my startup (following his “breakout”) to be fair I think the broken ankle played a bug part in his decline.

I don’t know what happens to Robinson but I think he’ll have a better career than Rawls. I’m being optimistic and telling myself the JAGs will have a 1-2 punch similar to CLE.

Maybe if you tell yourself that enough it could come true.

[murphysxm]

One can argue one of the main reasons LF was given another NFL job was his original draft capital. Robinson had an outstanding rookie year, and his team rewarded him by investing heavily at RB through the draft. Draft capital indeed means Jack

[The MAC Machine]

One can argue one of the main reasons LF was given another NFL job was his original draft capital. Robinson had an outstanding rookie year, and his team rewarded him by investing heavily at RB through the draft. Draft capital indeed means Jack

My point is that in the fantasy community LFs draft capital currently has meant squat even in spite of his production (in 2019 he was RB6 behind Cook). Based on arguments about draft capital I’ve seen, my expectation would be that LF would have still “maintained” his fantasy value as a top RB, but that clearly has been FAR from the case. I’m bringing this up as a clear example of how on the other side of a guy like James Robinson, draft capital is not always quite the story we make it out to be. Because if that were so LF wouldn’t be as faded as he is...I just don’t think NFL draft capital means squat in fantasy. Reggie Bush was also a 1st round RB......