What is Saquons value like now?

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Re: What is Saquons value like now?

Postby The Godwin Complex » Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:06 am

remedy29 wrote:
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For being such a highly touted 1.01 pick, he has certainly not produced results.
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Re: What is Saquons value like now?

Postby murphysxm » Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:08 am

There are two different angles here. He absolutely loses value if he is on my 2020 team because he isn't playing. If I have a contending team and am in a championship window, it hurts his value. I would consider moving him to make a run.

The other piece, to OP's original post, how does it impact his 2021 start up value? There I don't think it impacts his value much at all.

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Re: What is Saquons value like now?

Postby DynoScout » Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:26 am

For 2020 contenders his value drops, to the point where I might move him for any number high end anchor RBs that could fill the RB1 line on my lineup. Those RBs would need to be on bad teams/willing to sell, which might not be the case.

For rebuilders, I don't think there is a big hit, probably still RB2, and being able to stash him on IR while hoping for a high pick might actually help break ties in his favor.

For 2021 startups I would think the rebuilding value scheme best matches since he should be well on his way back by the time w1 2021 rolls around.

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Re: What is Saquons value like now?

Postby CGW » Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:32 am

He obviously loses some value as he now has no short term market to contending teams in 2020. Long term, he is still one of the best RB in the game and maintains most of his value for 2021 and beyond.
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Re: What is Saquons value like now?

Postby hoos89 » Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:40 am

Dynasty players are ultimately worth the points they produce for your team over replacement. The most valuable season for any contender is this season, and he will now be producing 0 points RoS. Plus, there is a less than 100% chance that he comes back the same and a greater than 0% chance that this shortens his career (see: Gurley). This absolutely has to hurt his value for the remainder of this season at least. If I'm a rebuilding team I'm probably content to hold for now, but as a contender there are several players I'd consider taking straight up in exchange for Barkley whom I wouldn't have taken for him on Saturday.
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Re: What is Saquons value like now?

Postby dlf_mikeh » Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:44 am

I lost Zeke to a season-ending injury in 2017. I had a great roster (Bell/Conner, David Johnson, Fournette's rookie season, one of Tom Brady's elite season, etc). Nearing the playoffs, I turned down an offer of Todd Gurley because I'd be selling low. I faced a must-win game the final week of the regular season and I was a huge favorite.

Had I taken that offer, I would have won the league and the $1,000 prize that went with it. Instead I turned it down, lost the game, and won nothing. Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do if that means winning the whole thing. I regret not making that deal all the time.

Don't not sell a guy simply because you shouldn't. Make whatever deals you gotta do if it means winning the league. You should hold Saquon for now because it's too early in the year to know where your team is heading, but if trading him later will help you win the league -- even at a slight loss -- I'd absolutely do it.

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Re: What is Saquons value like now?

Postby YouMightDieTryin » Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:44 am

I really don't want to watch Wayne Gallman again :(
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Re: What is Saquons value like now?

Postby SteveMaddensShoes » Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:52 am

Would anyone sell CEH or Taylor for Barkley right now? Which side is adding?
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Re: What is Saquons value like now?

Postby FantasyFreak » Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:09 am

Barkley's value probably drops about 20 percent, I'd say. Losing a full year of a RB's prime is super costly.

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Re: What is Saquons value like now?

Postby Cameron Giles » Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:25 am

SteveMaddensShoes wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:52 am
Would anyone sell CEH or Taylor for Barkley right now? Which side is adding?
If I wasn't interested in winning this year, I would.

I don't think anyone who owns Taylor or Edwards-Helaire is adding much, if anything for Saquon right now.

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Re: What is Saquons value like now?

Postby thebeast » Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:37 am

dlf_mikeh wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:44 am
I lost Zeke to a season-ending injury in 2017. I had a great roster (Bell/Conner, David Johnson, Fournette's rookie season, one of Tom Brady's elite season, etc). Nearing the playoffs, I turned down an offer of Todd Gurley because I'd be selling low. I faced a must-win game the final week of the regular season and I was a huge favorite.

Had I taken that offer, I would have won the league and the $1,000 prize that went with it. Instead I turned it down, lost the game, and won nothing. Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do if that means winning the whole thing. I regret not making that deal all the time.

Don't not sell a guy simply because you shouldn't. Make whatever deals you gotta do if it means winning the league. You should hold Saquon for now because it's too early in the year to know where your team is heading, but if trading him later will help you win the league -- even at a slight loss -- I'd absolutely do it.

Nobody remembers who came in 2nd place.
This is good advice, but remember there is the flip side too. Like you, last year I needed that one last piece for my team and tried to get Ingram from a rebuilding team, offered a 2nd, they demanded a first, I stood pat and lost in the semi's. I would have won that week with Ingram and I would have won the league too - I regret not sending the late first. However, I once did the opposite of this. When Jamaal Charles tore his ACL I was in win-now mode and traded him for Ryan Matthews. Charles went on to torture me for years after that.
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Re: What is Saquons value like now?

Postby SteveMaddensShoes » Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:38 am

Cameron Giles wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:25 am
SteveMaddensShoes wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:52 am
Would anyone sell CEH or Taylor for Barkley right now? Which side is adding?
If I wasn't interested in winning this year, I would.

I don't think anyone who owns Taylor or Edwards-Helaire is adding much, if anything for Saquon right now.
I'm considering offering CEH for Barkley to a contender but I think I want something on top. I've considered CEH+2nd for Barkley+1st/or someone like Hollywood Brown but not sure I can pull the trigger on it. I kind of want an overpay of Barkley/1st/Brown for CEH and a couple of 2nds. For a contender I'm not sure how they will view that.
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Re: What is Saquons value like now?

Postby OhCruelestRanter » Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:38 am

You can lose value without your ADP changing. Just because you still have Barkley at RB2 doesn’t mean he’s just as valuable as he was before the injury.

For example, even if you still have him second ahead of Zeke and Kamara, maybe now you’d take Jacobs and a first for him, but you wouldn’t before hand.

He might be a buy right now. He might be a sell. Both of these situations are plausible league to league.
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Re: What is Saquons value like now?

Postby SteveMaddensShoes » Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:39 am

thebeast wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:37 am
dlf_mikeh wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:44 am
I lost Zeke to a season-ending injury in 2017. I had a great roster (Bell/Conner, David Johnson, Fournette's rookie season, one of Tom Brady's elite season, etc). Nearing the playoffs, I turned down an offer of Todd Gurley because I'd be selling low. I faced a must-win game the final week of the regular season and I was a huge favorite.

Had I taken that offer, I would have won the league and the $1,000 prize that went with it. Instead I turned it down, lost the game, and won nothing. Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do if that means winning the whole thing. I regret not making that deal all the time.

Don't not sell a guy simply because you shouldn't. Make whatever deals you gotta do if it means winning the league. You should hold Saquon for now because it's too early in the year to know where your team is heading, but if trading him later will help you win the league -- even at a slight loss -- I'd absolutely do it.

Nobody remembers who came in 2nd place.
This is good advice, but remember there is the flip side too. Like you, last year I needed that one last piece for my team and tried to get Ingram from a rebuilding team, offered a 2nd, they demanded a first, I stood pat and lost in the semi's. I would have won that week with Ingram and I would have won the league too - I regret not sending the late first. However, I once did the opposite of this. When Jamaal Charles tore his ACL I was in win-now mode and traded him for Ryan Matthews. Charles went on to torture me for years after that.
Agreed. I once say a stat that said that most games are won or lost by more than 15 points so missing a QB altogether hardly mattered. It was kind of an interesting stat though I don't know how accurate it really was. And I can't find it again. My point being that making a bad trade for the playoffs is often just bad process.
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Re: What is Saquons value like now?

Postby LPN » Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:16 am

If I own Jacobs, Sanders, Mixon or A.Jones ....I will not even look towards Barkley......they all young and HEALTHY ....
Some people suggested earlier that they will trade Barkley for Jacobs, well good luck ! :D


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