I am worried he doesn't have the athleticism to translate.StripesOfKC wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:43 pm Thoughts on Zack Moss?
Buy Low or stay away?
Haven't watched much of the Bills besides Allen's highlights
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Don't disagree at all. He doesn't have the profile to be a fantasy WR1, but has a DJax/Hollywood Brown type career in his range of outcomes.FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:23 pmI just sold him in a deal to get Ruggs. Glad to do it. I like Hamler OK, but not a fan of the Broncos QB situation, and Jeudy and Fant will demand targets. I think he has added value in best ball right now.Orenthal Shames wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:22 pmHere's an awesome thread on Hamler and his profile. Go buy him NOW.blemly wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:18 pm
Agreed. He’ll get a chance to show out the rest of the year with Sutton out, including when Lock returns. As highly touted as Jeudy was coming out, he just doesn’t do what Hamler does and that is valuable. Was just able to get him and Lock for Cousins + C. Davis in a league where I’m in a hard rebuild.
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He was a late 3rd in most drafts and at that rate I'd buy all day, bc I think a solid value bump is coming in the near future.
16 team league
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex (RB/WR/TE)
26 upman rosters - full point ppr
2015, 17, 18, 19, 20 Champs
QB: Watson, Flacco Stidham
RB: Bijan, Gibbs, McLaughlin
WR: Olave, Addison, Flowers, Rice, Sutton, Downs, Mims, Tillman
TE: Kittle, Goedert, Chig, Woods
24 Picks: 1.06
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex (RB/WR/TE)
26 upman rosters - full point ppr
2015, 17, 18, 19, 20 Champs
QB: Watson, Flacco Stidham
RB: Bijan, Gibbs, McLaughlin
WR: Olave, Addison, Flowers, Rice, Sutton, Downs, Mims, Tillman
TE: Kittle, Goedert, Chig, Woods
24 Picks: 1.06
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Very nice thread, thanks for sharing. He’s extremely cheap atm too.Orenthal Shames wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:22 pmHere's an awesome thread on Hamler and his profile. Go buy him NOW.blemly wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:18 pmAgreed. He’ll get a chance to show out the rest of the year with Sutton out, including when Lock returns. As highly touted as Jeudy was coming out, he just doesn’t do what Hamler does and that is valuable. Was just able to get him and Lock for Cousins + C. Davis in a league where I’m in a hard rebuild.
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Team 1: 12-team SF 0.5 PPR:
QB: Dak, Russ, Stafford, Geno, Dalton
RB: Harris, Gibson, Chubb, Cohen
WR: DK, Ridley, Kirk, Chark, Woods, C Samuel, Shepard, Reagor
TE: Fant, Knox
Team 2: 14-team PPR SF TEP:
QB: Wilson, Burrow, Geno, Foles
RB: Mixon, Gibson, Hines, Cohen, Pollard
WR: DJM, Cooper, Sutton, Deebo, R. Moore, ARSB, Eskridge, Renfrow
TE: Gesicki, Njoku, Arnold
Team 3: 12-team PPR SF:
QB: Watson, Lawrence, Winston, Cam
RB: Harris, Ekeler, Dobbins
WR: Hill, AJB, Woods, Chark, Lockett
TE: Gesicki, OJH, Firkser
Team 4: 12-team SF TEP Devy
QB: Wilson, Geno, Ryan, Cousins
RB: Zeke, Chubb, Sanders, Pollard, Hines, Cohen, Henderson
WR: Cooper, Godwin, Sutton, JuJu, Samuel, Fuller, Shepard, Campbell
TE: Fant, Gesicki, Ertz, Freiermuth
Devy: Boutte, Young, Slovis, Harris
Team 5: 12-team PPR SF:
QB: Dak, Lance, Jones, Cam
RB: Swift, Sanders, Dobbins, Pollard
WR: Sutton, DJM, Golladay, Chase, Pittman, Kirk, Campbell, Mims, Wallace
TE: Herndon, Gesicki, Freiermuth
QB: Dak, Russ, Stafford, Geno, Dalton
RB: Harris, Gibson, Chubb, Cohen
WR: DK, Ridley, Kirk, Chark, Woods, C Samuel, Shepard, Reagor
TE: Fant, Knox
Team 2: 14-team PPR SF TEP:
QB: Wilson, Burrow, Geno, Foles
RB: Mixon, Gibson, Hines, Cohen, Pollard
WR: DJM, Cooper, Sutton, Deebo, R. Moore, ARSB, Eskridge, Renfrow
TE: Gesicki, Njoku, Arnold
Team 3: 12-team PPR SF:
QB: Watson, Lawrence, Winston, Cam
RB: Harris, Ekeler, Dobbins
WR: Hill, AJB, Woods, Chark, Lockett
TE: Gesicki, OJH, Firkser
Team 4: 12-team SF TEP Devy
QB: Wilson, Geno, Ryan, Cousins
RB: Zeke, Chubb, Sanders, Pollard, Hines, Cohen, Henderson
WR: Cooper, Godwin, Sutton, JuJu, Samuel, Fuller, Shepard, Campbell
TE: Fant, Gesicki, Ertz, Freiermuth
Devy: Boutte, Young, Slovis, Harris
Team 5: 12-team PPR SF:
QB: Dak, Lance, Jones, Cam
RB: Swift, Sanders, Dobbins, Pollard
WR: Sutton, DJM, Golladay, Chase, Pittman, Kirk, Campbell, Mims, Wallace
TE: Herndon, Gesicki, Freiermuth
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Yeah no doubt. For those prices. I got him for 1 dollar, in a 1000 dollar auction. A top 50 pick, I couldn't believe it. I was basically playing with house money, so went for what I felt was an upgrade in a package deal.Orenthal Shames wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:42 pmDon't disagree at all. He doesn't have the profile to be a fantasy WR1, but has a DJax/Hollywood Brown type career in his range of outcomes.FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:23 pmI just sold him in a deal to get Ruggs. Glad to do it. I like Hamler OK, but not a fan of the Broncos QB situation, and Jeudy and Fant will demand targets. I think he has added value in best ball right now.Orenthal Shames wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:22 pm
Here's an awesome thread on Hamler and his profile. Go buy him NOW.
https://twitter.com/DFBeanCounter/statu ... 42368?s=19
He was a late 3rd in most drafts and at that rate I'd buy all day, bc I think a solid value bump is coming in the near future.
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I thought Tee Higgins looks great and coming on faster than we thought especially since Burrow passes a ton. Ross was a healthy scratch yesterday too giving that boost to Tee
Gabriel Davis with a pretty good game and of course Justin Jefferson; no more of that Bisi nonsense anymore
Gabriel Davis with a pretty good game and of course Justin Jefferson; no more of that Bisi nonsense anymore
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That deal was absolutely a win for you.FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:33 pmYeah no doubt. For those prices. I got him for 1 dollar, in a 1000 dollar auction. A top 50 pick, I couldn't believe it. I was basically playing with house money, so went for what I felt was an upgrade in a package deal.Orenthal Shames wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:42 pmDon't disagree at all. He doesn't have the profile to be a fantasy WR1, but has a DJax/Hollywood Brown type career in his range of outcomes.FantasyFreak wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:23 pm
I just sold him in a deal to get Ruggs. Glad to do it. I like Hamler OK, but not a fan of the Broncos QB situation, and Jeudy and Fant will demand targets. I think he has added value in best ball right now.
He was a late 3rd in most drafts and at that rate I'd buy all day, bc I think a solid value bump is coming in the near future.
16 team league
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex (RB/WR/TE)
26 upman rosters - full point ppr
2015, 17, 18, 19, 20 Champs
QB: Watson, Flacco Stidham
RB: Bijan, Gibbs, McLaughlin
WR: Olave, Addison, Flowers, Rice, Sutton, Downs, Mims, Tillman
TE: Kittle, Goedert, Chig, Woods
24 Picks: 1.06
1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex (RB/WR/TE)
26 upman rosters - full point ppr
2015, 17, 18, 19, 20 Champs
QB: Watson, Flacco Stidham
RB: Bijan, Gibbs, McLaughlin
WR: Olave, Addison, Flowers, Rice, Sutton, Downs, Mims, Tillman
TE: Kittle, Goedert, Chig, Woods
24 Picks: 1.06
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Justin jefferson, big winner this week. Looked great.
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Yep, he's untouchable now. At least until he has a few down weeks to quell the hype. Even then a rookie performing that well in even one game will insulate his value throughout this season through the offseason. Drafters have to be pleased.
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QB: Mahomes, Hurts, Minshew
RB: Kamara, K. Hunt, Warren, Bigsby, D. Cook, Jamaal Williams, J. Wilson, McLaughlin, McKinnon, J. Kelley
WR: A.J. Brown, Diggs, K. Allen, C. Watson, Cooks, Pickens, W. Robinson
TE: Kelce, J. Smith, Musgrave
QB: Mahomes, Hurts, Minshew
RB: Kamara, K. Hunt, Warren, Bigsby, D. Cook, Jamaal Williams, J. Wilson, McLaughlin, McKinnon, J. Kelley
WR: A.J. Brown, Diggs, K. Allen, C. Watson, Cooks, Pickens, W. Robinson
TE: Kelce, J. Smith, Musgrave
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Jefferson has arrived, now...do I start him? I have a deep start team FIVE WRs and have both Jeudy and Jefferson, behind Tyreek, Golladay, and Keenan. My only other options are Miller CHI, Amendola, and Alshon.
I think all three (adding Lamb to the mix) are going to have very good rookie years.
I think all three (adding Lamb to the mix) are going to have very good rookie years.
D3:
QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL
D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin, Murray WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT
Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Singletary, Mostert, BRob, Warren, Rodriguez, Spiller WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Myers, Reynold, Jones TE—Kmet, Likely, Kraft, Conklin, Hurst, Hudson PK—Elliott DEF—PHI
Superflex 2:
QB: Goff, Cousins, Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: DJM, Higgins, JSN, Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, PCampbell, DPJ, ATP, Hutchinson, Iosivas, Devante, CJones TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble
QB—Allen, Pickett RB—Kamara, Jacobs, ZWhite, Edwards, Ford, Warren WR—Lamb, Olave, DJM, Puka, Tillman, Marshall, Jefferson, Robinson, Tucker TE—Ferguson, Schoon, Likely, Smith, Washington, Kraft PK—Prater DEF—BAL
D4:
QB—TLaw, JimmyG, Tannehill, AOC, Hall RB—Bijan, Kamara, Conner, Gainwell, Gainwell, Foreman, ZMoss, Chandler, McLaughlin, Murray WR—Jefferson, Hill, Adams, Allen, Tillman, Woods TE—Kelce, Kmet, Conklin PK—Butker DEF—PIT
Superflex 1:
QB—Mahomes, Rodgers, Mayfield RB—Bijan, Kamara, Allgeier, Singletary, Mostert, BRob, Warren, Rodriguez, Spiller WR—Chase, DJM, Devonta, MBrown, Myers, Reynold, Jones TE—Kmet, Likely, Kraft, Conklin, Hurst, Hudson PK—Elliott DEF—PHI
Superflex 2:
QB: Goff, Cousins, Wentz, White; RB: Bijan, BRob, ZWhite, Allgeier, McLaughlin WR: DJM, Higgins, JSN, Downs, RMoore, Atwell, SMoore, PCampbell, DPJ, ATP, Hutchinson, Iosivas, Devante, CJones TE: Ferguson, Kraft, Trautman, Tremble
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Yeah I don't know what it would take for me to sell him, but whatever it is I doubt anyone would pay it.
Team 1: 2012-2016
2013 Champion, 2012 Runner-Up
Team 2: 12 Team PPR - 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 R/W/T, 23 man rosters, est. 2016
2021 Champion, 2020 Runner-up
Tua, Purdy Geno, Carr
JT, Ekeler, Mostert, Javonte, Chuba, D. Harris, M. Carter, J. Hill, Spiller
Chase, AJB, Amon-Ra, Aiyuk, Olave, DJM, Dell
Andrews, McBride, Engram
IR(3): Chubb, M. Williams, Rodgers
Taxi(4): J. Palmer, Tolbert, T. Palmer
2024 Picks: 3, 4, 5
Team 3: 12 Team PPR, 6 pt Pass TD - 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 3 R/W/T, 28 man rosters, est. 2019
2021 Champion, 2022 Runner-up
Jackson, Love, Tannehill, Z. Wilson
Barkley, Mixon, Mostert, J. Wilson, CEH, Gaskin, J. Hill
J. Jefferson, Diggs, Waddle, Evans, Metcalf, Sutton, R. Moore, Slayton, Berrios, Carter, Dortch, Powell, Raymond
Kelce, Dissly, Hooper
2024 Picks: 1
2013 Champion, 2012 Runner-Up
Team 2: 12 Team PPR - 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 R/W/T, 23 man rosters, est. 2016
2021 Champion, 2020 Runner-up
Tua, Purdy Geno, Carr
JT, Ekeler, Mostert, Javonte, Chuba, D. Harris, M. Carter, J. Hill, Spiller
Chase, AJB, Amon-Ra, Aiyuk, Olave, DJM, Dell
Andrews, McBride, Engram
IR(3): Chubb, M. Williams, Rodgers
Taxi(4): J. Palmer, Tolbert, T. Palmer
2024 Picks: 3, 4, 5
Team 3: 12 Team PPR, 6 pt Pass TD - 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 3 R/W/T, 28 man rosters, est. 2019
2021 Champion, 2022 Runner-up
Jackson, Love, Tannehill, Z. Wilson
Barkley, Mixon, Mostert, J. Wilson, CEH, Gaskin, J. Hill
J. Jefferson, Diggs, Waddle, Evans, Metcalf, Sutton, R. Moore, Slayton, Berrios, Carter, Dortch, Powell, Raymond
Kelce, Dissly, Hooper
2024 Picks: 1
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Swifts stock is down to a penny stock at this point. Jordan Belfort is currently hustling all these stocks while doing cocaine with Matt Patricia. The overreaction about Swift is funny, its 3 weeks in.
Correct me if im wrong but im not seeing the same kind of overreaction about Cam Akers (i know he is hurt but he wasnt exactly spectacular when he did play) and he was going around the same draft spot as Swift in rookie drafts. His situation is worse too since the backs around Akers are young and performing extremely well. The backs around Swift are old and performing average. Im just confused by this. I never jump to conclusions on rookies and i think its very silly but there definitely seems to be a pass given to Akers and none to swift
Correct me if im wrong but im not seeing the same kind of overreaction about Cam Akers (i know he is hurt but he wasnt exactly spectacular when he did play) and he was going around the same draft spot as Swift in rookie drafts. His situation is worse too since the backs around Akers are young and performing extremely well. The backs around Swift are old and performing average. Im just confused by this. I never jump to conclusions on rookies and i think its very silly but there definitely seems to be a pass given to Akers and none to swift
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If people are selling Swift and Akers.. I'm buying.Patsfan86 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:42 pm Swifts stock is down to a penny stock at this point. Jordan Belfort is currently hustling all these stocks while doing cocaine with Matt Patricia. The overreaction about Swift is funny, its 3 weeks in.
Correct me if im wrong but im not seeing the same kind of overreaction about Cam Akers (i know he is hurt but he wasnt exactly spectacular when he did play) and he was going around the same draft spot as Swift in rookie drafts. His situation is worse too since the backs around Akers are young and performing extremely well. The backs around Swift are old and performing average. Im just confused by this. I never jump to conclusions on rookies and i think its very silly but there definitely seems to be a pass given to Akers and none to swift
Adrian Peterson has to fall off sometime, Kerryon Johnson is not the answer.. and they invested a very high pick into Swift last year.
He's also already very involved in the passing game.
I'm going to give these rookie RB's a lot of leeway to start the season given the weird off-season... the narrative that RB's didn't need the practice reps was always pure conjecture.
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With swift i feel like the questions around here were never about talent, it was about landing spot and situation. And so far unfortunately the people who faded him because of that have been correct, but like we always say, situations change, this one will too. Also the weird offseason does definitely need to be taken into consideration. And swift didnt even get a full training camp with the hip injury.Sriracha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 2:28 pmIf people are selling Swift and Akers.. I'm buying.Patsfan86 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:42 pm Swifts stock is down to a penny stock at this point. Jordan Belfort is currently hustling all these stocks while doing cocaine with Matt Patricia. The overreaction about Swift is funny, its 3 weeks in.
Correct me if im wrong but im not seeing the same kind of overreaction about Cam Akers (i know he is hurt but he wasnt exactly spectacular when he did play) and he was going around the same draft spot as Swift in rookie drafts. His situation is worse too since the backs around Akers are young and performing extremely well. The backs around Swift are old and performing average. Im just confused by this. I never jump to conclusions on rookies and i think its very silly but there definitely seems to be a pass given to Akers and none to swift
Adrian Peterson has to fall off sometime, Kerryon Johnson is not the answer.. and they invested a very high pick into Swift last year.
He's also already very involved in the passing game.
I'm going to give these rookie RB's a lot of leeway to start the season given the weird off-season... the narrative that RB's didn't need the practice reps was always pure conjecture.
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Has it been correct? Adrian Peterson is averaging 14 carries per game at 4.9 yards per attempt while sharing the field with KJ and Swift.Patsfan86 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 4:28 pmWith swift i feel like the questions around here were never about talent, it was about landing spot and situation. And so far unfortunately the people who faded him because of that have been correct, but like we always say, situations change, this one will too. Also the weird offseason does definitely need to be taken into consideration. And swift didnt even get a full training camp with the hip injury.Sriracha wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 2:28 pmIf people are selling Swift and Akers.. I'm buying.Patsfan86 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:42 pm Swifts stock is down to a penny stock at this point. Jordan Belfort is currently hustling all these stocks while doing cocaine with Matt Patricia. The overreaction about Swift is funny, its 3 weeks in.
Correct me if im wrong but im not seeing the same kind of overreaction about Cam Akers (i know he is hurt but he wasnt exactly spectacular when he did play) and he was going around the same draft spot as Swift in rookie drafts. His situation is worse too since the backs around Akers are young and performing extremely well. The backs around Swift are old and performing average. Im just confused by this. I never jump to conclusions on rookies and i think its very silly but there definitely seems to be a pass given to Akers and none to swift
Adrian Peterson has to fall off sometime, Kerryon Johnson is not the answer.. and they invested a very high pick into Swift last year.
He's also already very involved in the passing game.
I'm going to give these rookie RB's a lot of leeway to start the season given the weird off-season... the narrative that RB's didn't need the practice reps was always pure conjecture.
RBs have averaged 6 targets per game.
I don't think the situation is holding Swift back as much as the signing of Peterson has
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Higgins is in the shadows because of what Jefferson did this week, but he looked great and seems to have a locked down role already. Made me feel a lot better about trade Allen/Howard for Goff/Higgins/Scott this offseason.zeeshan2 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:38 am I thought Tee Higgins looks great and coming on faster than we thought especially since Burrow passes a ton. Ross was a healthy scratch yesterday too giving that boost to Tee
Gabriel Davis with a pretty good game and of course Justin Jefferson; no more of that Bisi nonsense anymore
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