Why doesn't CPatt convert to RB? The Cordarelle Patterson Thread

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Re: Cordarrelle Patterson

Postby Bronco Billy » Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:00 am

TheNuts wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:04 am That's why you should be weary of Gibson. They will get him 3 touches a game at best. Even if he scored on 33% of his touches, he will not be given any extra. It's just the way that these rigid, non flexible coaches operate
Pillow talk with Ron Rivera? I guess that would explain being weary...

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Re: Cordarrelle Patterson

Postby Pullo Vision » Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:06 am

My interest is he goes beyond merely attending RB meetings and gets reclassified an RB. The other interesting thing is, he actually sees a TEN FOLD increase in touches, he'd have enough volume to be a flex starter, even if his efficiency drops. As an RB, even a small number of touches, given consistently, would warrant flex consideration in deeper leagues.

All of that before Montgomery was declared out for a few weeks w injury.
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Re: Cordarrelle Patterson

Postby Ice » Fri Aug 28, 2020 7:59 am

Bronco Billy wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:00 am
TheNuts wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:04 am That's why you should be weary of Gibson. They will get him 3 touches a game at best. Even if he scored on 33% of his touches, he will not be given any extra. It's just the way that these rigid, non flexible coaches operate
Pillow talk with Ron Rivera? I guess that would explain being weary...
Patterson really isn't anything like Gibson on film. Patterson has been sticking around the NFL because he is a good Special teams player and at least works hard.

That said, I just picked him up and then promptly traded him, a 4th, and 5th in a large league for J. McKinnon. Would rather take a flyer on a player like him these days.
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Re: Cordarrelle Patterson

Postby Paul717 » Fri Aug 28, 2020 9:24 am

Just checked my league. He's on the waiver wire and has eligibility at both RB and WR. (It is a CBS Sports.com league). That's a fairly rare designation and pretty neat. I can see that being helpful to teams with small-ish benches during heavy bye weeks. I would suggest checking his eligibility in your leagues to see if he has both.

Just added him to my Scout team.

P.S. - Call me the token "rosters players with dual eligibility guy" in my league or whatever. Lol, anyone else remember the days when Tim Duncan was eligible at F and C? I was all over that, lol.
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Re: Cordarrelle Patterson

Postby TheNuts » Fri Aug 28, 2020 10:16 am

Csl312 wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:40 am
TheNuts wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:04 am Don't believe any of it. Patterson has been getting screwed by NFL teams for years... Coaches do not care about success if it doesn't fit into their system. They will never adjust their system to fit a player.
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It's just the way that these rigid, non flexible coaches operate
I agree don't believe any of it with cpatt. He has never lived up to the fantasy hype. But at some point I have to imagine that winning games is the top priority of football teams. And perhaps in the end the player just can't get it done consistently. I'd say players like Mike Vick certainly had a system changed to cater to them. The Bears did try to change their system for Hester and it just never worked out.

Sometimes I think if you need to design a whole system around one player it just won't be worth it. They have to be a generational talent/near unstoppable. Otherwise other teams can pretty quickly key in on what is going to happen and the other players won't fit in. But I've never been a football coach so I can't say for sure. Maybe they are just set in their ways.
The Bears did not change their scheme at all. They kept the same scheme and shoved Hester in to be a wr1. That is exactly my point, instead of working Hester in interesting ways, they forced him into a traditional role that he wasn't made for.

There are exceptions. A few coaches will try to adapt, but those guys are not even close to the majority. Nagy already proved he isn't. He is like the opposite spectrum of John Fox bad, where he tries to be so creative that his offense just doesn't work. Too many ridiculous plays that look cute on a napkin
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Re: Cordarrelle Patterson

Postby Csl312 » Fri Aug 28, 2020 12:45 pm

Maybe I'm misremembering but I certainly remember an attempt to play to Hester's abilities for a little while. But I'd be interested in your and others thoughts on the second part of my post about the feasibility of changing a system for one player.

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Re: Cordarrelle Patterson

Postby Pullo Vision » Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:47 pm

FantasyPros wrote:Former WR and return specialist Cordarrelle Patterson is officially listed as a running back on the Bears final 53-man roster.
Analysis: Finally, Patterson pundits get their wish in Patterson being categorized as a running back. With David Montgomery still up in the air for Week 1, this declaration should be proof that Bears HC Matt Nagy is serious about Patterson being a ball-carrier. The Bears cut Artavis Pierce and list Tarik Cohen, David Montgomery, and Ryan Nall as the other RB's on the roster. It's time for Yahoo, ESPN, and other fantasy sites to update Patterson's eligibility to WR/RB.
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Re: Why doesn't CPatt convert to RB?

Postby Pullo Vision » Wed Sep 01, 2021 12:40 pm

So glad there was a thread on this! Patterson started solely getting RB snaps with Atlanta this offseason. Then, they cut Hawkins and Foreman. Right now, it's him, Davis and Ollison on the Atlanta depth chart, with Keith Smith at FB. That's it.

At what point will Patterson be recategorized as an RB?
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Re: Why doesn't CPatt convert to RB?

Postby Yarnith » Wed Sep 01, 2021 2:15 pm

Pullo Vision wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 12:40 pm So glad there was a thread on this! Patterson started solely getting RB snaps with Atlanta this offseason. Then, they cut Hawkins and Foreman. Right now, it's him, Davis and Ollison on the Atlanta depth chart, with Keith Smith at FB. That's it.

At what point will Patterson be recategorized as an RB?
He should be now, officially listed as RB on the Falcons roster so he is officially a RB.
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Re: Why doesn't CPatt convert to RB?

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Re: Why doesn't CPatt convert to RB?

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Re: Why doesn't CPatt convert to RB?

Postby _yeti » Sat Sep 04, 2021 12:19 pm

SteveMaddensShoes wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 4:37 pm doc brown.jpg
I used to spend wayyy too much time and energy on dynasty and this thread was a bad one lol.

That said, a lot of the harsh comments at the beginning of this by me were due to Patterson's time in MN as an ultra soft underachieving diva back when he was still supposed to be good and before he was able to take on this completely irrelevant swiss-army-knife backup role on bad teams. I also was shaping my comments from the view of fantasy relevance at the position.

It's like if you asked me back then why doesn't Tim Tebow switch to TE? As a former TE I would have railed against it in the same way, but hey if he went for the switch he may have been able to hang around the league as a fantasy football irrelevant backup.
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Re: Why doesn't CPatt convert to RB?

Postby Yarnith » Sat Sep 04, 2021 12:24 pm

_yeti wrote: Sat Sep 04, 2021 12:19 pm
SteveMaddensShoes wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 4:37 pm doc brown.jpg
I used to spend wayyy too much time and energy on dynasty and this thread was a bad one lol.

That said, a lot of the harsh comments at the beginning of this by me were due to Patterson's time in MN as an ultra soft underachieving diva back when he was still supposed to be good and before he was able to take on this completely irrelevant swiss-army-knife backup role on bad teams. I also was shaping my comments from the view of fantasy relevance at the position.

It's like if you asked me back then why doesn't Tim Tebow switch to TE? As a former TE I would have railed against it in the same way, but hey if he went for the switch he may have been able to hang around the league as a fantasy football irrelevant backup.
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Re: Why doesn't CPatt convert to RB?

Postby SteveMaddensShoes » Sat Sep 04, 2021 2:13 pm

_yeti wrote: Sat Sep 04, 2021 12:19 pm
SteveMaddensShoes wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 4:37 pm doc brown.jpg
I used to spend wayyy too much time and energy on dynasty and this thread was a bad one lol.

That said, a lot of the harsh comments at the beginning of this by me were due to Patterson's time in MN as an ultra soft underachieving diva back when he was still supposed to be good and before he was able to take on this completely irrelevant swiss-army-knife backup role on bad teams. I also was shaping my comments from the view of fantasy relevance at the position.

It's like if you asked me back then why doesn't Tim Tebow switch to TE? As a former TE I would have railed against it in the same way, but hey if he went for the switch he may have been able to hang around the league as a fantasy football irrelevant backup.
You have always known more about football than me and I owe much of my knowledge about UDFA's and players converting to other positions from your posts.

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Re: Why doesn't CPatt convert to RB?

Postby _yeti » Sun Sep 05, 2021 7:14 am

SteveMaddensShoes wrote: Sat Sep 04, 2021 2:13 pm
You have always known more about football than me and I owe much of my knowledge about UDFA's and players converting to other positions from your posts.

I'm just having fun here.
Thanks for saying that but nah, I was kind of a a**hole about it. Part of it was not liking Patterson haha and being mad at the changes in the league. I didn't end up posting it but part of why I logged back in was I was going to post about what Tom Brady just said.

Unrelated to CPatt you see he just said that all the rule changes have basically made it the defensive players responsibility to protect offensive players and that defenses get punished for offensive mistakes? Brady is the GOAT. The Doc Brown pic was funny too. Never in a million years did I see Patterson becoming what he's made his career into.
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