Antonio Gibson Rocket Ship - Round 2

[FantasyFreak]

Very limited touches and major questions at pass-pro (because of lack of use, not that he's bad). That said, 33 carries at an 11.2 YPC, and 38 receptions at a 19.3 average for 12 TD's total has me drooling a bit. 71 touches for over 1100 yards. Keep in mind that Washington has arguably the worst wr corp in the league. He'll get chances. Boom or bust, and I do like the potential boom myself.

Over half his rushing yards, carries, and half his rushing TD's came in 2 games vs the Bearcats. That's another issue I have, beyond the obvious ones.

[prinefan]

Very limited touches and major questions at pass-pro (because of lack of use, not that he's bad). That said, 33 carries at an 11.2 YPC, and 38 receptions at a 19.3 average for 12 TD's total has me drooling a bit. 71 touches for over 1100 yards. Keep in mind that Washington has arguably the worst wr corp in the league. He'll get chances. Boom or bust, and I do like the potential boom myself.

Over half his rushing yards, carries, and half his rushing TD's came in 2 games vs the Bearcats. That's another issue I have, beyond the obvious ones.

Only because they weren't using him as an RB earlier in the season. He was a WR. He'll be both for the Washington Football Team (as a Washington fan, it's really hard to call them that). Those were 2 of the last 3 games in the season when they saw what he could do at that position.

[FantasyFreak]

Very limited touches and major questions at pass-pro (because of lack of use, not that he's bad). That said, 33 carries at an 11.2 YPC, and 38 receptions at a 19.3 average for 12 TD's total has me drooling a bit. 71 touches for over 1100 yards. Keep in mind that Washington has arguably the worst wr corp in the league. He'll get chances. Boom or bust, and I do like the potential boom myself.

Over half his rushing yards, carries, and half his rushing TD's came in 2 games vs the Bearcats. That's another issue I have, beyond the obvious ones.

Only because they weren't using him as an RB earlier in the season. He was a WR. He'll be both for the Washington Football Team (as a Washington fan, it's really hard to call them that). Those were 2 of the last 3 games in the season when they saw what he could do at that position.

I understand. My point is, that's not a good team, and he padded his stats significantly vs them. I think he'll be a good manufactured touch type guy, but the idea of him being a lead back, especially year 1 are far fetched. Not a guy I'd take in the first of a rookie draft right now, even with Guice being done, with all the WR talent, but I'd gladly take him mid/early 2nd.

[murphysxm]

I love his upside, gut he's going to be a gadget guy. I just don't see him as an every down back at any position

[Mjvb5]

Over half his rushing yards, carries, and half his rushing TD's came in 2 games vs the Bearcats. That's another issue I have, beyond the obvious ones.

Only because they weren't using him as an RB earlier in the season. He was a WR. He'll be both for the Washington Football Team (as a Washington fan, it's really hard to call them that). Those were 2 of the last 3 games in the season when they saw what he could do at that position.

I understand. My point is, that's not a good team, and he padded his stats significantly vs them. I think he'll be a good manufactured touch type guy, but the idea of him being a lead back, especially year 1 are far fetched. Not a guy I'd take in the first of a rookie draft right now, even with Guice being done, with all the WR talent, but I'd gladly take him mid/early 2nd.

X2 he definitely moved up, quite a bit honestly from a late 2/early 3 to a early-mid 2. Top of the group 2 rbs now. But I still can’t take him over the wrs at the turn

[ericanadian]

Very limited touches and major questions at pass-pro (because of lack of use, not that he's bad). That said, 33 carries at an 11.2 YPC, and 38 receptions at a 19.3 average for 12 TD's total has me drooling a bit. 71 touches for over 1100 yards. Keep in mind that Washington has arguably the worst wr corp in the league. He'll get chances. Boom or bust, and I do like the potential boom myself.

Over half his rushing yards, carries, and half his rushing TD's came in 2 games vs the Bearcats. That's another issue I have, beyond the obvious ones.

The Bearcats were 11-3 and were top 30 in ypa against even with those big games. I get that they play in the AAC, but there are worse teams he could be putting up those numbers against.

[prinefan]

Over half his rushing yards, carries, and half his rushing TD's came in 2 games vs the Bearcats. That's another issue I have, beyond the obvious ones.

Only because they weren't using him as an RB earlier in the season. He was a WR. He'll be both for the Washington Football Team (as a Washington fan, it's really hard to call them that). Those were 2 of the last 3 games in the season when they saw what he could do at that position.

I understand. My point is, that's not a good team, and he padded his stats significantly vs them. I think he'll be a good manufactured touch type guy, but the idea of him being a lead back, especially year 1 are far fetched. Not a guy I'd take in the first of a rookie draft right now, even with Guice being done, with all the WR talent, but I'd gladly take him mid/early 2nd.

Gotcha. To me, I was expecting this year to be a wash. Never expected the league to even try playing a season. Everywhere I have him, I took him with the expectation of being a year away from his first real training camp and season. I do think he'll flash big with this year's chances as a receiving back and then shine in 21. I readily admit I don't do the research as in depth as some but I usually hit a lot more than miss. Fingers crossed.

[Krypto_King]

of course anyone's floor is 0. I was responding to several posters saying he is CPat. Again, there is a difference between actually playing running back. That means you will get... runs. a month of 5 carries a game, a month of 8-10 carries per game and then back half of season at 8-15 carries is not crazy, and certainly not if we're talking about future years. That is 150 carries. too much talk about floor with this particular player anyways

Don't let his October year 1 role overly concern you when the alternative is maybe a first year 60 target season from a good not great WR prospect.

[MEuRaH]

Gibson is an intriguing prospect. I reviewed his tape but he became the first RB I didn't add to any of my ranks. There just wasn't anything decent to use to judge him properly. A true question mark for me.

I stayed away entirely as I don't like players who switch positions to play RB, and that was my advice for anyone who asked. I'm sure it's happened successfully before but I can't even think of one WR who made the transition and was good enough at it to make a career out of it.

[Bronco Billy]

I agree that Gibson is too risky to burn a late mid 1st rounder on, but if you’re a swing-for-the-fences type of personality, man does this guy have tangibles in spades. I get the allure, and he has the physical potential to be a league changer regardless that it is more remote that that potential will be reached.

[TheNuts]

Only because they weren't using him as an RB earlier in the season. He was a WR. He'll be both for the Washington Football Team (as a Washington fan, it's really hard to call them that). Those were 2 of the last 3 games in the season when they saw what he could do at that position.

I understand. My point is, that's not a good team, and he padded his stats significantly vs them. I think he'll be a good manufactured touch type guy, but the idea of him being a lead back, especially year 1 are far fetched. Not a guy I'd take in the first of a rookie draft right now, even with Guice being done, with all the WR talent, but I'd gladly take him mid/early 2nd.

Gotcha. To me, I was expecting this year to be a wash. Never expected the league to even try playing a season. Everywhere I have him, I took him with the expectation of being a year away from his first real training camp and season. I do think he'll flash big with this year's chances as a receiving back and then shine in 21. I readily admit I don't do the research as in depth as some but I usually hit a lot more than miss. Fingers crossed.

You expected the NFL owners to just say screw it to millions of dollars? You also expected the players to pass on getting paid millions of dollars? Has everyone forgotten that money is the driving force behind so many decisions?

[prinefan]

I understand. My point is, that's not a good team, and he padded his stats significantly vs them. I think he'll be a good manufactured touch type guy, but the idea of him being a lead back, especially year 1 are far fetched. Not a guy I'd take in the first of a rookie draft right now, even with Guice being done, with all the WR talent, but I'd gladly take him mid/early 2nd.

Gotcha. To me, I was expecting this year to be a wash. Never expected the league to even try playing a season. Everywhere I have him, I took him with the expectation of being a year away from his first real training camp and season. I do think he'll flash big with this year's chances as a receiving back and then shine in 21. I readily admit I don't do the research as in depth as some but I usually hit a lot more than miss. Fingers crossed.

You expected the NFL owners to just say screw it to millions of dollars? You also expected the players to pass on getting paid millions of dollars? Has everyone forgotten that money is the driving force behind so many decisions?

No. Just expected them to have common sense with so many people dying from a disease we've never encountered before and apparently don't know how to control/eradicate.

[Space Cowboy]

Gotcha. To me, I was expecting this year to be a wash. Never expected the league to even try playing a season. Everywhere I have him, I took him with the expectation of being a year away from his first real training camp and season. I do think he'll flash big with this year's chances as a receiving back and then shine in 21. I readily admit I don't do the research as in depth as some but I usually hit a lot more than miss. Fingers crossed.

You expected the NFL owners to just say screw it to millions of dollars? You also expected the players to pass on getting paid millions of dollars? Has everyone forgotten that money is the driving force behind so many decisions?

No. Just expected them to have common sense with so many people dying from a disease we've never encountered before and apparently don't know how to control/eradicate.

These guys can set themselves up for life by playing even just one season. It's worth the risk.

[The.Big.Spank]

To me the running back position is a bit like being a prize fighter. You can have a sledge hammer for fists, but if you can't take a shot, your are no good.

We generally don't see it because that trait vets out guys who can't take the punishment long before they get to the pros, but I can't help but wonder if he has the the type of body that can take the hits.

It's also hard seeing him in pass protection and being able to recognize blitzes. Since Washington has a shaky line, this could also impact his snap count.

I always saw him being used like SF uses Deebo. I think that is a new thing in the NFL, YAC monsters, weather it be at TE or WR. I think its the counter move to safeties going from 220+ pounds 10-20 years ago to 205 now.

[FantasyFreak]

To me the running back position is a bit like being a prize fighter. You can have a sledge hammer for fists, but if you can't take a shot, your are no good.

We generally don't see it because that trait vets out guys who can't take the punishment long before they get to the pros, but I can't help but wonder if he has the the type of body that can take the hits.

It's also hard seeing him in pass protection and being able to recognize blitzes. Since Washington has a shaky line, this could also impact his snap count.

I always saw him being used like SF uses Deebo. I think that is a new thing in the NFL, YAC monsters, weather it be at TE or WR. I think its the counter move to safeties going from 220+ pounds 10-20 years ago to 205 now.

This, and he's also not used to the speed of the NFL and hasn't learned the nuances at RB. How many zone runs has he ever run? As Christopher Harris asks? Can he hit the right hole and get 3 yards when that's all that's there, or does he read it wrong, and lose yards? That type of running will get you benched in a hurry. That's why I don't think he's going to be a RB, in the traditional sense. He's going to be a manufactured touch guy, and have very specific runs that he will run, when he does.