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Antonio Gibson rocket ship

Postby ManuManu » Sun Aug 09, 2020 12:08 pm

I saw Curtis Patrick suggest that Gibson could go in the 1.8 in rookie drafts now (although he did say he still preferred the WRs). Why say you? Where would he slot for 0.5 PPR or full point PPR? I could see as of today him going as high as the 1.9.
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Re: Antonio Gibson rocket ship

Postby Blueboy » Sun Aug 09, 2020 12:20 pm

1.08 is a hefty price to pay for Younger Cordarrelle Patterson.

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Postby Pac_Eddy » Sun Aug 09, 2020 1:00 pm

I already considered Guice a penny stock before the recent news, so no change in Gibson's value.
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Re: Antonio Gibson rocket ship

Postby Cameron Giles » Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:04 pm

Why 1.08? He's not a high-end talent, Washington's situation isn't appealing, and he has an extremely low volume rushing sample in college.

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Re: Antonio Gibson rocket ship

Postby Krypto_King » Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:19 pm

11 or 12 for now

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Postby Flatlander19 » Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:32 pm

Sadly all my rookie drafts are done cause I wish someone would have wasted a 1st on him in any of mine
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RB Barkley, Mack, Ingram,T Coleman, Justice Hill, Wilkins, Gallman,E Benjamin
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Re: Antonio Gibson rocket ship

Postby Pullo Vision » Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:40 pm

Depends where you put K Vaughn. In my earlier drafts, he's was going mid 2nd, but he pushed up to late 1st. I'd put Gibson over him. While that might seem like putting significant value on opportunity, I like Gibson's big play ability.
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Re: Antonio Gibson rocket ship

Postby jenkins.math » Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:40 pm

Cameron Giles wrote:
Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:04 pm
Why 1.08? He's not a high-end talent, Washington's situation isn't appealing, and he has an extremely low volume rushing sample in college.
I'd argue that he is actually very talented, but the rest of what you said is spot on. If he is worth a first rounder now then owners should be cashing out immediately.

His realistic ceiling looks like Percy Harvin/Tarik Cohen. If he maintains RB eligibility for fantasy and hits Percy Harvin's best season then he would be worth a first round pick. However the floor is Cordarelle Patterson/Tavon Austin and I would argue that he ends up being closer to those 2 than his ceiling.
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Re: Antonio Gibson rocket ship

Postby Hottoddies » Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:49 pm

Where are all the breakout age/dominator rating nuts out there not raising any stink about this guy's prospects. If he was half as good as people think he is, he would have gotten more than 77 total touches in his college career. He's basically a poor man's Cordarrelle Patterson.
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Re: Antonio Gibson rocket ship

Postby ericanadian » Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:08 pm

Hottoddies wrote:
Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:49 pm
Where are all the breakout age/dominator rating nuts out there not raising any stink about this guy's prospects. If he was half as good as people think he is, he would have gotten more than 77 total touches in his college career. He's basically a poor man's Cordarrelle Patterson.
breakout age and dominator rating are more for receivers.
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Re: Antonio Gibson rocket ship

Postby FantasyFreak » Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:17 pm

ericanadian wrote:
Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:08 pm
Hottoddies wrote:
Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:49 pm
Where are all the breakout age/dominator rating nuts out there not raising any stink about this guy's prospects. If he was half as good as people think he is, he would have gotten more than 77 total touches in his college career. He's basically a poor man's Cordarrelle Patterson.
breakout age and dominator rating are more for receivers.
That's what he was in college. :lol:

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Re: Antonio Gibson rocket ship

Postby Bronco Billy » Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:18 pm

Hottoddies wrote:
Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:49 pm
Where are all the breakout age/dominator rating nuts out there not raising any stink about this guy's prospects. If he was half as good as people think he is, he would have gotten more than 77 total touches in his college career. He's basically a poor man's Cordarrelle Patterson.
I can think of two prolific players in Kamara and Terrell Davis as guys who didn’t get anywhere near the workload in college as their NFL careers would have indicated that they should have warranted.

Not saying that Gibson is comparable to either guy, just that it does happen.

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Re: Antonio Gibson rocket ship

Postby Sriracha » Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:26 pm

Bronco Billy wrote:
Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:18 pm
Hottoddies wrote:
Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:49 pm
Where are all the breakout age/dominator rating nuts out there not raising any stink about this guy's prospects. If he was half as good as people think he is, he would have gotten more than 77 total touches in his college career. He's basically a poor man's Cordarrelle Patterson.
I can think of two prolific players in Kamara and Terrell Davis as guys who didn’t get anywhere near the workload in college as their NFL careers would have indicated that they should have warranted.

Not saying that Gibson is comparable to either guy, just that it does happen.
It's definitely an area of concern, and considerably lowers his floor.. but I don't see how people can limit his upside because of it. The dude is 6' 228 and runs a 4.39 forty, displayed good size adjusted lateral agility and good contact balance.. and was absolutely electric in the few opportunities he did have.

He's most likely more Cordarrelle Patterson than elite RB; but it's worth noting that while there are similarities between the two, Patterson's highlights were much more gadgety (Reverses, Kick Returns, short passes that get him out in space) where a fair amount of Gibson's have come directly from handoffs out of the backfield.

So few people posses the traits Gibson has that it's not really fair to compare him to much less physically talented players. While I wouldn't bet on this, he could absolutely be the Tyreek Hill of RBs.

1st round is too rich for my blood in this draft, though. Way too much talent this year.

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Re: Antonio Gibson rocket ship

Postby FantasyFreak » Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:35 pm

This now feels like the Henderson thread from last year.

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Re: Antonio Gibson rocket ship

Postby Mjvb5 » Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:49 pm

If you wanna take him as RB6 I think thats fair, but Ive been saying it for a while now that going rb over wr in the late first/early 2nd is a mistake which is my issue with bumping him to 1.8 or so. I cant justify taking him over Jefferson, reagor, ruggs at all and most likely not for higgins, mims, aiyuk etc


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