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Re: Players sitting out 2020

Postby Bronco Billy » Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:50 pm

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Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:44 pm
No these men aren’t entitled to put on pads for you in any way quite frankly, especially in the midst of a pandemic that could expose their family and themselves.
Nobody is asking them to put their pads on “for me”. How interesting that you twisted it that way.

So you’d remove the freedom of choice from them to decide whether to play or not?

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Re: Players sitting out 2020

Postby Bronco Billy » Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:52 pm

ericanadian wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:47 pm
Bronco Billy wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:23 pm
abloom wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 9:42 am


Are you saying that people should not be able to exercise their freedoms if it impacts your life? By sitting out he is doing the most patriotic thing, making a choice. Just like the choice people made to volunteer to serve in the armed forces.

Infact I think far too often people are not realizing how critical it is to social distanced and isolate. Let's be clear athletes with no underlying conditions are unlikely to die from covid19, but the more that don't isolate the more likely that they provide a safe pool for covid19 to infect and then pass on to those who are at risk of death. Same goes for young people. Isolating saves American (and all people) lives.

Your rant comes off as inconsiderate and self centered to me tbh. Of course you are entitled to your opinions and to express those opinions but you just come off poorly imo.
Oh for Pete’s sake. Then let’s eliminate all risk to people. Eliminate guns. Eliminate cars. Eliminate tobacco. Eliminate alcohol. How many annual deaths can be attributed to those? Eliminate any possible risk - after all, it may save one life. Let’s just all live in bubbles. Then we’ll all be safe.

For NFL players, given their athletic condition and their age group, the flu poses as great or greater threat to their health than COVID. So let’s cancel the NFL during flu season, right? Oh, wait...

Our activities that we can enjoin without any boundaries, bias or prejudices are important to our society. It allows us to transcend all those boundaries - race, religion, social and economic standing, and act as one. The owner of a $50M company can sit next to the guy who works at a fast food restaurant and they can enjoy each others’ company and share the bonding experience of a common cause in which they can immerse themselves. They can spend 3-5 hours together and set aside any and all other differences and be complete equals as they engage in their fandom. Tomorrow, one may go to board meetings and swing $500k deals while the other flips burgers, but for that 3-5 hours, they are legitimate peers. That’s not unimportant to us as a society. Especially a capitalist society that thrives on competition.

Everyone has a choice not to participate, but in a free society that choice should be ours, and not dictated to us by others.

The league can choose to move forward - with or without fans in the stands - and they have elected to move forward and provide the entertainment that is the NFL.

Gurley, as every other player in the league, has a choice - he can choose to play or not to play, and he has the ability and wherewithall to create the conditions where he can play - with virtually no risk to himself - while ensuring that his family remains safe and secure, both healthwise and financially. If Gurley chooses not to play because he thinks the risk is too high to himself or his family, the NFL will go on without him and he can find another vocation for himself to occupy his time and provide for his family. And I’ll support whatever choice he makes, because it is his choice.

But in today’s society, and most especially that we are being inundated with forces that seek to divide us in an effort to bolster their power, I would submit that something as simple and basic to our society as team sports leagues like the NFL, and college football, and high school football are sorely needed to help bond and heal us. Something as seemingly simple as NFL fandom is something we all need right now - and we need it free of political grandstanding and other tactics that only seek to separate us even in these activities. We are relentlessly inundated with diversive issues in our daily lives. We need this diversion and the associated togetherness.

Can’t we enjoy our commonality and our shared experiences that make us one also? Isn’t our greatest strength that we are all very different, yet we are all one? It can happen with or without Todd Gurley, and it can happen with minimal risk to those participating.

Is that inconsiderate and self-centered to you?
No, but its a bit naive. The NFL has been used as much as anything to divide the people of America the last couple years. The kneeling thing was blown way out of proportion and you had the President himself weighing in on the topic in a very political way.
All sorts are taking political opportunity from this. It sickens me both ways.

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Re: Players sitting out 2020

Postby millworkguy » Sat Jul 25, 2020 3:38 pm

Bronco Billy wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:23 pm

Oh for Pete’s sake. Then let’s eliminate all risk to people. Eliminate guns. Eliminate cars. Eliminate tobacco. Eliminate alcohol. How many annual deaths can be attributed to those? Eliminate any possible risk - after all, it may save one life. Let’s just all live in bubbles. Then we’ll all be safe.

For NFL players, given their athletic condition and their age group, the flu poses as great or greater threat to their health than COVID. So let’s cancel the NFL during flu season, right? Oh, wait...


Everyone has a choice not to participate, but in a free society that choice should be ours, and not dictated to us by others.

In 2018, 2.8 million Americans died (from all types) covid has killed 140,000 this yr (about 5%) and it's not done yet. 5 times more then car accidents (in a whole year) more then the flu.. yada yada yada

Considering it has only really been going on for 6 months, it will likely be the #3 cause of death in the states this year, behind heart diseases and cancer.

You speak of free society and choices, but then blast Gurley for making a choice you dont like. And want to dictate a choice for him
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Re: Players sitting out 2020

Postby ericanadian » Sat Jul 25, 2020 3:48 pm

Bronco Billy wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:52 pm
ericanadian wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:47 pm
Bronco Billy wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:23 pm


Oh for Pete’s sake. Then let’s eliminate all risk to people. Eliminate guns. Eliminate cars. Eliminate tobacco. Eliminate alcohol. How many annual deaths can be attributed to those? Eliminate any possible risk - after all, it may save one life. Let’s just all live in bubbles. Then we’ll all be safe.

For NFL players, given their athletic condition and their age group, the flu poses as great or greater threat to their health than COVID. So let’s cancel the NFL during flu season, right? Oh, wait...

Our activities that we can enjoin without any boundaries, bias or prejudices are important to our society. It allows us to transcend all those boundaries - race, religion, social and economic standing, and act as one. The owner of a $50M company can sit next to the guy who works at a fast food restaurant and they can enjoy each others’ company and share the bonding experience of a common cause in which they can immerse themselves. They can spend 3-5 hours together and set aside any and all other differences and be complete equals as they engage in their fandom. Tomorrow, one may go to board meetings and swing $500k deals while the other flips burgers, but for that 3-5 hours, they are legitimate peers. That’s not unimportant to us as a society. Especially a capitalist society that thrives on competition.

Everyone has a choice not to participate, but in a free society that choice should be ours, and not dictated to us by others.

The league can choose to move forward - with or without fans in the stands - and they have elected to move forward and provide the entertainment that is the NFL.

Gurley, as every other player in the league, has a choice - he can choose to play or not to play, and he has the ability and wherewithall to create the conditions where he can play - with virtually no risk to himself - while ensuring that his family remains safe and secure, both healthwise and financially. If Gurley chooses not to play because he thinks the risk is too high to himself or his family, the NFL will go on without him and he can find another vocation for himself to occupy his time and provide for his family. And I’ll support whatever choice he makes, because it is his choice.

But in today’s society, and most especially that we are being inundated with forces that seek to divide us in an effort to bolster their power, I would submit that something as simple and basic to our society as team sports leagues like the NFL, and college football, and high school football are sorely needed to help bond and heal us. Something as seemingly simple as NFL fandom is something we all need right now - and we need it free of political grandstanding and other tactics that only seek to separate us even in these activities. We are relentlessly inundated with diversive issues in our daily lives. We need this diversion and the associated togetherness.

Can’t we enjoy our commonality and our shared experiences that make us one also? Isn’t our greatest strength that we are all very different, yet we are all one? It can happen with or without Todd Gurley, and it can happen with minimal risk to those participating.

Is that inconsiderate and self-centered to you?
No, but its a bit naive. The NFL has been used as much as anything to divide the people of America the last couple years. The kneeling thing was blown way out of proportion and you had the President himself weighing in on the topic in a very political way.
All sorts are taking political opportunity from this. It sickens me both ways.
Certainly, but my point was that any expectation that people would come together and cast aside politics to enjoy the NFL just isn’t going to happen. Given that’s the reality, I don’t see playing games as having the importance you’re trying to assign them.
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Re: Players sitting out 2020

Postby FantasyFreak » Sat Jul 25, 2020 3:57 pm

Bronco Billy wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:09 am
Todd, that we have people who defend this country and make literally 1/100th of what you make in a year doing it and get deployed overseas to sometimes God forsaken parts of the world for extended times away from their families as part of their jobs. And they take a lot greater chances with their lives than a young healthy guy like you does from any risk of COVID.

This isn't the least bit relevant.

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Re: Players sitting out 2020

Postby Orenthal Shames » Sat Jul 25, 2020 4:11 pm

FantasyFreak wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 3:57 pm
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Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:09 am
Todd, that we have people who defend this country and make literally 1/100th of what you make in a year doing it and get deployed overseas to sometimes God forsaken parts of the world for extended times away from their families as part of their jobs. And they take a lot greater chances with their lives than a young healthy guy like you does from any risk of COVID.

This isn't the least bit relevant.
Said the exact same earlier in the thread.
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Re: Players sitting out 2020

Postby abloom » Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:24 pm

Bronco Billy wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:23 pm
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Sat Jul 25, 2020 9:42 am
Bronco Billy wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:09 am
For a guy like Gurley is who has the gift to be able to play in the NFL to just shrug it off so lightly just really pisses me off.

We have a ton of people right now who don’t have a choice on whether they will go to work or not - they can’t because they lost their job and can’t find another one. You know, Todd, that we have people who defend this country and make literally 1/100th of what you make in a year doing it and get deployed overseas to sometimes God forsaken parts of the world for extended times away from their families as part of their jobs. And they take a lot greater chances with their lives than a young healthy guy like you does from any risk of COVID.
Are you saying that people should not be able to exercise their freedoms if it impacts your life? By sitting out he is doing the most patriotic thing, making a choice. Just like the choice people made to volunteer to serve in the armed forces.

Infact I think far too often people are not realizing how critical it is to social distanced and isolate. Let's be clear athletes with no underlying conditions are unlikely to die from covid19, but the more that don't isolate the more likely that they provide a safe pool for covid19 to infect and then pass on to those who are at risk of death. Same goes for young people. Isolating saves American (and all people) lives.

Your rant comes off as inconsiderate and self centered to me tbh. Of course you are entitled to your opinions and to express those opinions but you just come off poorly imo.
Oh for Pete’s sake. Then let’s eliminate all risk to people. Eliminate guns. Eliminate cars. Eliminate tobacco. Eliminate alcohol. How many annual deaths can be attributed to those? Eliminate any possible risk - after all, it may save one life. Let’s just all live in bubbles. Then we’ll all be safe.
Um thanks for agreeing with me? We do have laws the prohibit inappropriate use of guns, cars, alcohol and tobacco. If you want to treat covid19 like those, then you are basically saying that you want prison and fines for those who are recklessly spreading covid19.
For NFL players, given their athletic condition and their age group, the flu poses as great or greater threat to their health than COVID. So let’s cancel the NFL during flu season, right? Oh, wait...
Um no, that is simply false, the flu results in a lower mortality rate than covid19. You are entitled to your own opinions, you are not entitled to your own facts. additionally covid19 is more infectious than the flu.
Our activities that we can enjoin without any boundaries, bias or prejudices are important to our society. It allows us to transcend all those boundaries - race, religion, social and economic standing, and act as one. The owner of a $50M company can sit next to the guy who works at a fast food restaurant and they can enjoy each others’ company and share the bonding experience of a common cause in which they can immerse themselves. They can spend 3-5 hours together and set aside any and all other differences and be complete equals as they engage in their fandom. Tomorrow, one may go to board meetings and swing $500k deals while the other flips burgers, but for that 3-5 hours, they are legitimate peers. That’s not unimportant to us as a society. Especially a capitalist society that thrives on competition.
Actually no, an owner of a 50M company will not usually view football or other sports in the same way as someone making minimum wage. But lets ignore that for the moment... so what? They can also enjoy movies, playing games, or a wide variety of things besides live sports.
Everyone has a choice not to participate, but in a free society that choice should be ours, and not dictated to us by others.
And yet you want to dictate to football players that they play football.
The league can choose to move forward - with or without fans in the stands - and they have elected to move forward and provide the entertainment that is the NFL.
They have also moved forward with the option for players to opt out. Yet you seem to be fine with them moving forward with live games, but not with letting them sit out.
Gurley, as every other player in the league, has a choice - he can choose to play or not to play, and he has the ability and wherewithall to create the conditions where he can play - with virtually no risk to himself - while ensuring that his family remains safe and secure, both healthwise and financially. If Gurley chooses not to play because he thinks the risk is too high to himself or his family, the NFL will go on without him and he can find another vocation for himself to occupy his time and provide for his family. And I’ll support whatever choice he makes, because it is his choice.
There is currently no evidence that Gurley will be playing with virtually no risk to himself. Infact that was the very point he made in his post about sitting out. The NFL currently does not have any plan/agreement in place to minimize the risk. He also fortunately will not need to find another vocation, he'll still be making 150k and then have the ability to play in the NFL next year.
But in today’s society, and most especially that we are being inundated with forces that seek to divide us in an effort to bolster their power, I would submit that something as simple and basic to our society as team sports leagues like the NFL, and college football, and high school football are sorely needed to help bond and heal us. Something as seemingly simple as NFL fandom is something we all need right now - and we need it free of political grandstanding and other tactics that only seek to separate us even in these activities. We are relentlessly inundated with diversive issues in our daily lives. We need this diversion and the associated togetherness.

Can’t we enjoy our commonality and our shared experiences that make us one also? Isn’t our greatest strength that we are all very different, yet we are all one? It can happen with or without Todd Gurley, and it can happen with minimal risk to those participating.
No what we need is for everyone to wear damn masks and social distance/isolate for a month or two so we can actually decrease the cases and not allow them in continue to increase.
Is that inconsiderate and self-centered to you?
Some is, some isn't, but there was a lot of false/hypocritical statements.

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Re: Players sitting out 2020

Postby bjd5211 » Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:33 pm

Just because the virus is unlikely to kill players doesn't mean it can't do a lot of damage to them, or their families or anyone else they come into contact with and spread it to. People need to stop acting like it either kills you or leaves you 100% fine, there are many other negative side effects besides death. Also we have no idea what this virus can do to us down the road, for example the Chicken Pox virus can lead to Shingles later in life, who's to say Covid doesn't have some kind of similar dormant effect that comes up years down the road? It's a new virus and we have no idea what it could do.

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Re: Players sitting out 2020

Postby Cameron Giles » Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:42 pm

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Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:09 am
However, we have got some significant issues going on in the country right now and could probably use a morale booster like the NFL playing this season for all of us. For a guy like Gurley is who has the gift to be able to play in the NFL to just shrug it off so lightly just really pisses me off.

We have a ton of people right now who don’t have a choice on whether they will go to work or not - they can’t because they lost their job and can’t find another one. You know, Todd, that we have people who defend this country and make literally 1/100th of what you make in a year doing it and get deployed overseas to sometimes God forsaken parts of the world for extended times away from their families as part of their jobs. And they take a lot greater chances with their lives than a young healthy guy like you does from any risk of COVID.

There is no reason why a NFL player with a family member at risk couldn’t play the season out of a remote location, still be able to take care of their family financially and stay in close contact through phone and telecommunications while they do so, and then return after the season, given the extraordinary circumstances that all of us are under. You have been given a huge privilege to be able to do what you do and be compensated like you are, and it really doesn’t strike me well that you come off acting like such a victim when you are free to choose whatever course you do this season and most probably still be completely whole financially. A whole lot of other people are in much more dire circumstances than you are and don’t have the choices you do moving forward this year.

You want to sit? Then sit. But stop bitching about expecting even more additional help from the league given where you already are and take on some of the responsibility for your own well being and that of your family.

Okay, rant over.
1. Gurley doesn't owe bleep to you or any of us.

2. The job Gurley performs is irrelevant.

3. You're talking about athlete's privilege while ignoring your own privilege as a fan who has no horse in the race. It's easy for you to tell someone to ignore the virus for your own entertainment.

You have no idea the situation that any of these players are in. If any of them wants to sit out, they should be more than empowered to do so under these unusual circumstances. Maybe these players don't want to go months without seeing their family. Maybe these players don't want to risk any chance that they could be someone whose body reacts fatally to this virus.

I'm so tired of people trying to disguise sports as some "much-needed distraction" or masquerading it under the tagline of "do it to lift the morale of the country!"

It's horseshit. The ONLY reason people are pushing to resume sports is because wealthy owners want to get their money. That's it.

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Re: Players sitting out 2020

Postby alewilliam789 » Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:20 pm

Bronco Billy wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:50 pm
alewilliam789 wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:44 pm
No these men aren’t entitled to put on pads for you in any way quite frankly, especially in the midst of a pandemic that could expose their family and themselves.
Nobody is asking them to put their pads on “for me”. How interesting that you twisted it that way.

So you’d remove the freedom of choice from them to decide whether to play or not?
Why would you post multiple paragraphs about Todd Gurley’s choice to potentially not play if it didn’t elicit some sort of emotional reaction in yourself?

No I said nothing about choice. I said that the structure should be there to ensure safe working conditions like any other employee in America. I don’t think the NFL has provided a clear enough structure to ensure that. Ultimately it is their choice though yes, be it ignorant or informed.

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Re: Players sitting out 2020

Postby UnsafeAtAnySpd » Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:29 pm

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Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:30 am
You can make your argument without invoking "muh troops!" Using service members to take jabs at others is played out.

That said, the players get relatively little of what the league itself gets. And to expect that appropriate safety precautions are taken isn't ridiculous at all regardless of that disparity.
yeah, workers do tend to get a lot less of the compensation than business owners of well established businesses. Odd, isn’t it? That doesn’t preclude in this case that the workers are extremely well compensated and have means of their own.
Nice dodge of the actual points of my post.

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Re: Players sitting out 2020

Postby StripesOfKC » Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:34 pm

I agree a player has every right to sit out

But I find it hypocritical for them to complain about safety precautions in doing so while refusing to wear face shields and ignoring the NFLPA's suggestion to not participate in group practices this offseason.
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Re: Players sitting out 2020

Postby Tvols » Sat Jul 25, 2020 9:11 pm

I work in health care and put at risk everyday , I have the option to quit but I cannot support my family if I do very interesting takes in this thread .im expected to put my family lives on the line everyday to take of the sick and do my job . MYbe more health care Workers should take this serious and stop working till the risk is gone . Just sayin I’m required to put others above my family cause I signed up for the job

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Re: Players sitting out 2020

Postby FantasyFreak » Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:09 am

bjd5211 wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:33 pm
Just because the virus is unlikely to kill players doesn't mean it can't do a lot of damage to them, or their families or anyone else they come into contact with and spread it to. People need to stop acting like it either kills you or leaves you 100% fine, there are many other negative side effects besides death. Also we have no idea what this virus can do to us down the road, for example the Chicken Pox virus can lead to Shingles later in life, who's to say Covid doesn't have some kind of similar dormant effect that comes up years down the road? It's a new virus and we have no idea what it could do.
Pretty sure that's a big reason your country is in the mess it's in. Agreed.

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Re: Players sitting out 2020

Postby Blueboy » Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:00 am

bjd5211 wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:33 pm
Just because the virus is unlikely to kill players doesn't mean it can't do a lot of damage to them, or their families or anyone else they come into contact with and spread it to. People need to stop acting like it either kills you or leaves you 100% fine, there are many other negative side effects besides death. Also we have no idea what this virus can do to us down the road, for example the Chicken Pox virus can lead to Shingles later in life, who's to say Covid doesn't have some kind of similar dormant effect that comes up years down the road? It's a new virus and we have no idea what it could do.
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