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Re: Jerry Jeudy Official Thread

Postby mild » Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:41 pm

mgscott wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:04 am All we are doing here is speculating, including what PFF is doing on that stat. What do you or PFF have to validate that all of those passes were inaccurate?
Soooo... you're saying you have a better statistical grading process for watching film than PFF, and that it's all subjective speculation anyhow? Cool man, got it.
Cameron Giles wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:43 am Saying that a WR is running the wrong release with a route and slowing an entire offense down without anything to support it would be speculation. You're using a lot of "maybe" "possibly" "it could've been" without anything to really support a stance.

PFF watches All-22 and grades plays in detail. They aren't 100% factual of course, but what they're doing is a lot closer to a factual conclusion than a hunch. The article has plenty of data to support its stance.
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Re: Jerry Jeudy Official Thread

Postby mgscott » Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:50 pm

mild wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:41 pm
mgscott wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:04 am All we are doing here is speculating, including what PFF is doing on that stat. What do you or PFF have to validate that all of those passes were inaccurate?
Soooo... you're saying you have a better statistical grading process for watching film than PFF, and that it's all subjective speculation anyhow? Cool man, got it.



I don't recall saying that at all. Just that I don't necessarily believe that all of PFF's "data" is completely accurate since they can't know what was supposed to happen on any incompletion. They are basically guessing on whose blame it is without really knowing what was going on with the play.

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If Broncos take a QB, Jeudy + Sutton value?

Postby austing » Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:50 pm

I acquired Jeudy and Sutton for pennies (relatively) last year in the hopes of the Broncos taking a QB. What do you think the ceiling is for these guys if they get any of the top five QBs? Also do some QBs increase their value more than others? Should they be solid holds or should I think of flipping one before or after the draft for other usable pieces in my signature team? Been a while since I've posted and I've always tried to heed the advice I get here, much appreciated guys.
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RB Nick Chubb (1) Miles Sanders (4) Chase Edmunds (1)

WR Kenny Golladay (2) Jerry Jeudy (4) Courtland Sutton (3) Allen Robinson (3) Marvin Jones (2) Nelson Agholor (1) Nkeal Harry (3)

K Josh Brown (1)

Dst Bears (1)

2021 1.04 Pick (waddle/pitts/williams)

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Re: If Broncos take a QB, Jeudy + Sutton value?

Postby honcho55 » Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:15 pm

Hard to give em a big bump in my book. I’m a believer in both, and I’d wager whoever has em in other leagues is in a similar boat: their valuation already includes the idea that an improvement at QB is probably coming. Nice work grabbing em cheap, I have not been able to get either in leagues I don’t have em.

I think it might even be a good time to sell, if a rookie QB comes in and someone perceives that as a big boost.
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Re: If Broncos take a QB, Jeudy + Sutton value?

Postby broncohead » Fri Apr 23, 2021 7:52 pm

Not sure if Fields or Lance would be much of an improvement (if at all) over Lock. At least in terms of FF/statistically.
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Re: If Broncos take a QB, Jeudy + Sutton value?

Postby mild » Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:50 pm

broncohead wrote: Fri Apr 23, 2021 7:52 pm Not sure if Fields or Lance would be much of an improvement (if at all) over Lock. At least in terms of FF/statistically.
This is an insane take.

Fields would be a massive improvement, in both contexts - and especially as a standalone fantasy piece. You are talking about Drew Lock: by many, many metrics one of the worst QB's in the league. Fields would be a must-have for late round QB fliers in 1QB redraft, and the QB2 with a bullet in Superflex rookie drafts. Zero question.

Don't forget: a 4.44 40-yard at 6"3 227 lbs would arguably make Fields the RB1 of this class athletically. Only RG3 has measured faster (4.41). He is the most likely of any of these QB's to take off and run, Lamar style. QB's that can rush on 3rd down to keep their offenses on the field is the new meta, and staying on the field in a game creates more opportunities (ie attempts) for the rest of the offense to score. A rising tide lifts all ships.

Now you're telling me that he would have (one of) the best pass-catching corps in the league, plus a capable pass catching RB in Melvin Gordon? You're spelling out spiked weeks for Fields, my friend. He would be a fantasy rock-star.

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Re: If Broncos take a QB, Jeudy + Sutton value?

Postby austing » Sat Apr 24, 2021 5:08 pm

mild wrote: Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:50 pm
broncohead wrote: Fri Apr 23, 2021 7:52 pm Not sure if Fields or Lance would be much of an improvement (if at all) over Lock. At least in terms of FF/statistically.
This is an insane take.

Fields would be a massive improvement, in both contexts - and especially as a standalone fantasy piece. You are talking about Drew Lock: by many, many metrics one of the worst QB's in the league. Fields would be a must-have for late round QB fliers in 1QB redraft, and the QB2 with a bullet in Superflex rookie drafts. Zero question.

Don't forget: a 4.44 40-yard at 6"3 227 lbs would arguably make Fields the RB1 of this class athletically. Only RG3 has measured faster (4.41). He is the most likely of any of these QB's to take off and run, Lamar style. QB's that can rush on 3rd down to keep their offenses on the field is the new meta, and staying on the field in a game creates more opportunities (ie attempts) for the rest of the offense to score. A rising tide lifts all ships.

Now you're telling me that he would have (one of) the best pass-catching corps in the league, plus a capable pass catching RB in Melvin Gordon? You're spelling out spiked weeks for Fields, my friend. He would be a fantasy rock-star.
I think he was talking about the improvement to Jeudy and Sutton not being much (fantasy points wise) over what lock provides at least in year one. Perhaps cam newton style ideas of stolen red zone attempts for skill players and better for himself than others fantasy style play is what he was getting at. Still, I'm with you that fields accuracy alone, on top of extending drives is enough to put him above lock in terms of how much it helps my two receivers. How much above I have no idea..
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QB Josh Allen (1)

RB Nick Chubb (1) Miles Sanders (4) Chase Edmunds (1)

WR Kenny Golladay (2) Jerry Jeudy (4) Courtland Sutton (3) Allen Robinson (3) Marvin Jones (2) Nelson Agholor (1) Nkeal Harry (3)

K Josh Brown (1)

Dst Bears (1)

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Re: If Broncos take a QB, Jeudy + Sutton value?

Postby Dynasty DeLorean » Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:13 pm

mild wrote: Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:50 pm
broncohead wrote: Fri Apr 23, 2021 7:52 pm Not sure if Fields or Lance would be much of an improvement (if at all) over Lock. At least in terms of FF/statistically.
This is an insane take.

Fields would be a massive improvement, in both contexts - and especially as a standalone fantasy piece. You are talking about Drew Lock: by many, many metrics one of the worst QB's in the league. Fields would be a must-have for late round QB fliers in 1QB redraft, and the QB2 with a bullet in Superflex rookie drafts. Zero question.

Don't forget: a 4.44 40-yard at 6"3 227 lbs would arguably make Fields the RB1 of this class athletically. Only RG3 has measured faster (4.41). He is the most likely of any of these QB's to take off and run, Lamar style. QB's that can rush on 3rd down to keep their offenses on the field is the new meta, and staying on the field in a game creates more opportunities (ie attempts) for the rest of the offense to score. A rising tide lifts all ships.

Now you're telling me that he would have (one of) the best pass-catching corps in the league, plus a capable pass catching RB in Melvin Gordon? You're spelling out spiked weeks for Fields, my friend. He would be a fantasy rock-star.
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Re: If Broncos take a QB, Jeudy + Sutton value?

Postby mild » Sun Apr 25, 2021 1:51 am

Dynasty DeLorean wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:13 pm lol
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Re: If Broncos take a QB, Jeudy + Sutton value?

Postby Sriracha » Sun Apr 25, 2021 11:19 am

I do get a kick out of “fastest timed 40 since RG3”.

1. Everyone is running “faster” because there is no combine.

2. Elite Running QBs don’t run the 40 — Lamar/Kyler are both faster.

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Re: If Broncos take a QB, Jeudy + Sutton value?

Postby Jigga94 » Sun Apr 25, 2021 11:50 am

Sriracha wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 11:19 am I do get a kick out of “fastest timed 40 since RG3”.

1. Everyone is running “faster” because there is no combine.

2. Elite Running QBs don’t run the 40 — Lamar/Kyler are both faster.
Fields looks very quick and athletic but I don't buy 4.4. he's not that much faster than Lance or Wilson for that matter

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Re: If Broncos take a QB, Jeudy + Sutton value?

Postby Pac_Eddy » Sun Apr 25, 2021 12:31 pm

Sriracha wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 11:19 am I do get a kick out of “fastest timed 40 since RG3”.

1. Everyone is running “faster” because there is no combine.

2. Elite Running QBs don’t run the 40 — Lamar/Kyler are both faster.
I don't really care about his 40 time. I already know he's fast enough as a QB for read options and designed runs. This lifts his floor.
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Re: If Broncos take a QB, Jeudy + Sutton value?

Postby Dynasty DeLorean » Sun Apr 25, 2021 1:40 pm

Frame counters have his time as a 4.50

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Re: If Broncos take a QB, Jeudy + Sutton value?

Postby mild » Sun Apr 25, 2021 5:54 pm

Sriracha wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 11:19 am I do get a kick out of “fastest timed 40 since RG3”.

1. Everyone is running “faster” because there is no combine.

2. Elite Running QBs don’t run the 40 — Lamar/Kyler are both faster.
I definitely enjoyed choosing that wording carefully, so you're welcome. :D I definitely agree that Lamar and Kyler are both faster. The point being that he'll be in that sort of class of QB, though.

Because regardless, we're still talking about a dude with RB1 measurables playing QB. I'd be excited about him in Denver if it eventuated... his accuracy would be a huge upgrade over Lock. That offense would really boom with Fields, I feel.

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Re: Jerry Jeudy Official Thread

Postby ArrylT » Fri Oct 29, 2021 6:58 pm

Could be back this week - had a solid connection early on with Teddy Bridgewater but not sure if that will resume immediately or not since Sutton is slowly building rapport. Also did not practice today so might be another week?
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