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Re: Marlon Mack Value

Postby Orenthal Shames » Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:37 pm

olsmithsonian wrote: Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:58 am
Orenthal Shames wrote: Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:15 am Vegas set the over/under for both Mack and Taylor at 700 yards each in 2020.
Where do you see this?
There's player props on a few sportsbooks. Here's the 700 & 700 one I saw specifically:

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Re: Marlon Mack Value

Postby Cameron Giles » Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:34 pm

Bronco Billy wrote: Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:22 am
Orenthal Shames wrote: Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:15 am Vegas set the over/under for both Mack and Taylor at 700 yards each in 2020.
Either Vegas or I am completely misreading this situation. I may have to see if I can find an online service that takes propositions.
Coach is known for riding multiple backs. Taylor will eventually get more load as the season progresses, but people think Taylor is going to dominate snaps from jump.

Mack isn't worth more than a speculative 2nd at this point. Even his FA odds aren't that exciting given how full the position is across the board.

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Re: Marlon Mack Value

Postby DLF3000 » Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:51 am

Not expecting any great value, whether holding or trading. The days of Mack being an occasionally good fantasy back are over.

I'd be either scrambling to trade him to the JT owner, or else hold him with low dynasty expectations going forward.
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Re: Marlon Mack Value

Postby jcc6fd » Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:53 am

I like Mack to exceed expectations this year, especially early in the year. I think they play is to wait for games and see him be the starter and produce 1-3 weeks. Then you might be able to move him to a contender or the Taylor owner for a much larger haul than trading him right now. Or if he plays really well and you're competing he might still help you. Either way I don't think you should sell now. What you can get for him preseason isn't worth the potential upside and if he disappoints quickly you didn't miss much.
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Re: Marlon Mack Value

Postby Dr.Graffin » Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:36 pm

jcc6fd wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:53 am I like Mack to exceed expectations this year, especially early in the year. .
As a Mack owner this is my expectation. Weeks 1-4 or 5 he'll be the starter. And with a potentially shortened season, this may help significantly lessen the impact of him losing his "starter" role later in the year. Basically no preseason or training camp only benefit vets who are familiar with their respective systems. At this moment, I plan to use him as a starter week 1 over TY Hilton.

I'd say a mid 2nd is fair, but with him hitting free agency next year I'd rather just hold and see where he goes. In season (if there is one) is where I think he'll have the most value.
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Re: Marlon Mack Value

Postby mullmania » Mon Jul 13, 2020 3:10 pm

Orenthal Shames wrote: Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:15 am Vegas set the over/under for both Mack and Taylor at 700 yards each in 2020.
Interesting. Where can I see Vegas odds?

I kind of agree this will be more of a 1A and 1B situation at least until someone seperates.

I would like Mack more if Hines wasn't there. It's tough to really get excited about Mack if he loses goal line work to Taylor and 3rd downs to Hines but injuries ect can shake things up

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Re: Marlon Mack Value

Postby McCafsteez » Mon Jul 13, 2020 6:32 pm

Bronco Billy wrote: Sun Jul 12, 2020 7:02 am
Pac_Eddy wrote: Sun Jul 12, 2020 6:36 am
Bronco Billy wrote: Sun Jul 12, 2020 6:23 am A few years ago I would have agreed with you, but the landscape for RBs has really diminished. There are a few solid RBs still sitting on the market and waiting for a phone call, and I don’t know if Mack is talented enough to make some team next year extend itself to make him an important cog in their system. I know he had a nice year last year, but IND is a running juggernaut and I would think a RB that other teams might crave would have performed a little better.

With a new batch of RBs coming in via the draft, I’m wondering if the delay in starting the 2020 season creating some uncertainty and allowing the Taylor owner to capture his handcuff for a mid to late 2nd rounder or a decent WR prospect might not be the more prudent course of action.
Some good points here.

My thinking is that a mid or late second round pick isn't much. I'd rather take the chance on a young proven RB. He can be the next Mark Ingram, Jordan Howard, or Marshawn Lynch. OR he could fade into obscurity.

RB scarcity means he has more value than what I'd get in trade. I don't blame anyone for not wanting to give any more than a mid to late second either.
RB scarcity should be applied to RBs with relatively known workloads IMO, and I’m not sure Mack is one of those guys next year. He isn’t this year given the stable in IND. You can hold on to a piece of coal for only so long before you realize it isn’t going to turn into a diamond and maybe you should throw it into the fire and wring whatever heat you can out of it before it crumbles away.

It certainly is worth investigating with the Taylor owner what he might be willing to surrender for locking up a top running team’s RB1 - which given rosters aren’t too short definitely has value right now. But if you’re hoping for upper 2nd round to 1st round type of value, you aren’t getting that for him this year and there’s a good likelihood you aren’t getting it next year and will have burned a roster spot and some other player’s potential by sitting on him.

Just my opinion of course, but I just don’t see much probability of Mack gaining value between now and a year from now. It would take a Taylor plummet or a team picking him up as a FA next with the intent of making him at least a 50/50 part of a RB committee. I don’t see either panning out well as of right now.
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Re: Marlon Mack Value

Postby honcho55 » Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:18 pm

McCafsteez wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2020 6:32 pm
Bronco Billy wrote: Sun Jul 12, 2020 7:02 am
Pac_Eddy wrote: Sun Jul 12, 2020 6:36 am

Some good points here.

My thinking is that a mid or late second round pick isn't much. I'd rather take the chance on a young proven RB. He can be the next Mark Ingram, Jordan Howard, or Marshawn Lynch. OR he could fade into obscurity.

RB scarcity means he has more value than what I'd get in trade. I don't blame anyone for not wanting to give any more than a mid to late second either.
RB scarcity should be applied to RBs with relatively known workloads IMO, and I’m not sure Mack is one of those guys next year. He isn’t this year given the stable in IND. You can hold on to a piece of coal for only so long before you realize it isn’t going to turn into a diamond and maybe you should throw it into the fire and wring whatever heat you can out of it before it crumbles away.

It certainly is worth investigating with the Taylor owner what he might be willing to surrender for locking up a top running team’s RB1 - which given rosters aren’t too short definitely has value right now. But if you’re hoping for upper 2nd round to 1st round type of value, you aren’t getting that for him this year and there’s a good likelihood you aren’t getting it next year and will have burned a roster spot and some other player’s potential by sitting on him.

Just my opinion of course, but I just don’t see much probability of Mack gaining value between now and a year from now. It would take a Taylor plummet or a team picking him up as a FA next with the intent of making him at least a 50/50 part of a RB committee. I don’t see either panning out well as of right now.
Haha this is some great stuff here..very poetic
Agree, very nice post sir.

I’ve checked out what people want for Mack and the value just isn’t there for me.

He’s a huge target for back end RB2-3 in redraft leagues for me though
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Re: Marlon Mack Value

Postby Space Cowboy » Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:05 am

I bought him right after the Taylor selection. Reminds me of a few years ago when I bought Carson cheap after the Penny pick. Mack is a good player, don't see how he becomes obscure overnight. He'll be a fine RB2/FLEX and he's a nice dynasty asset.

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Marlon Mack: Torn achilles/JT wheels up

Postby FantasyFreak » Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:29 pm

Sucks for Mack. JT is now the lead back. Mack's career is most likely over. At least for anything meaningful. That's really too bad for him.
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Re: Marlon Mack: Torn achilles/JT wheels up

Postby CGW » Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:47 pm

Mack looked so good today. He caught a third as many passes in one half than he did all year last year. Poor guy. Hines and JT will both put up numbers in PPR this year.
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Re: Marlon Mack: Torn achilles/JT wheels up

Postby MEuRaH » Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:47 pm

I feel bad for any player that gets hurt like that. Especially for a RB, and especially for a guy who was basically fighting for a future contract somewhere else. He was a good player for several years, and the future looked decent for him. And now?... :(

I don't think J Taylor will step in and be a stud. IMO he has so much to work on. But he's a smart kid and that coaching staff is pretty decent, so I like the upside. I wouldn't be shocked to see him split the role 50/50 with Hines.
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Re: Marlon Mack: Torn achilles/JT wheels up

Postby DLF3000 » Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:48 pm

Put up a unicyle wheel up for Hines too!
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Re: Marlon Mack: Torn achilles/JT wheels up

Postby Cameron Giles » Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:50 pm

Really unfortunate for Mack. He's a good RB, who's now probably going to have to settle for a one-year deal in FA somewhere and face the uphill battle of returning to form from an Achilles tear.

Taylor/Hines should be a good balance though. Hines could have a good receiving year with Rivers the statue.

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Re: Marlon Mack: Torn achilles/JT wheels up

Postby whodatbama » Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:19 pm

is Mack droppable?
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