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Re: Mahomes new deal

Postby thebeast » Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:19 pm

abloom wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:11 pm
And apparently $140m guarenteed for injury. Sweet deal for the chiefs provided it's not front loaded
Yep, it's a great deal for the Chiefs, they can easily get out of this if sh*t hits the fan.
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Re: Mahomes new deal

Postby abloom » Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:23 pm

FantasyFreak wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:15 pm
abloom wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:11 pm
And apparently $140m guarenteed for injury. Sweet deal for the chiefs provided it's not front loaded
Sweet deal for the Chiefs? I'd say for Mahomes. :lol: This type of deal will definitely make it more difficult for them to compete. That's a lot of money tied up in the QB. Obviously they had little choice, but winning a SB will be a lot more difficult for them moving forward.
It's an average of 45m per year. We can probably assume that the yearly pay would increase throughout the deal. His 5th year option (of I correctly recall) is for 25m. The QB franchise tag (average of top 5 I think) is 31m. So mahommes was going to likely get more than 35m annually for any deal he signed. If he starts at 35m and it increases by 2m per year, that would satisfy the contract while most likely not outpacing the continual rise in QB contracts over the course of the 10 years.

If he plays out the contract, I think it will look like a great deal for the chiefs
Dynasty Team #1:
12 team, 1 ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,2F,1D,1K

Q: Wentz,Tannehill
R: CMC,Taylor,Robinson,Fournette
W: Evans,Edelman,G Davis, C Davis, Mooney,Lazard
T: Goedert,Henry
D: NE
K: Succop

2021 Picks: 1.02,2.05,4.02,5.02,6.02,7.02
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Q: Wilson, Murray, Watson, Dalton
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W: Nuk, Godwin, Metcalf, K Allen, Sutton
T: Kelce
K: Tucker
D: PIT

2021 picks: 1.05,4.06,4.12,5.12,6.12,7.07
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Q: Mahomes ,Watson, Rodgers, Love, Mullens, Kaepernick
R: Michel, Moss, J Wilson, harris, hines, Damien Williams
W: Juju, Cooper, K Allen, E Sanders, David Moore, Callaway, Coulter, Quez Watkins
T: Thomas, Schultz, Asiasi, Warring, Shaheen

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Re: Mahomes new deal

Postby FantasyFreak » Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:26 pm

abloom wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:23 pm
FantasyFreak wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:15 pm
abloom wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:11 pm


And apparently $140m guarenteed for injury. Sweet deal for the chiefs provided it's not front loaded
Sweet deal for the Chiefs? I'd say for Mahomes. :lol: This type of deal will definitely make it more difficult for them to compete. That's a lot of money tied up in the QB. Obviously they had little choice, but winning a SB will be a lot more difficult for them moving forward.
It's an average of 45m per year. We can probably assume that the yearly pay would increase throughout the deal. His 5th year option (of I correctly recall) is for 25m. The QB franchise tag (average of top 5 I think) is 31m. So mahommes was going to likely get more than 35m annually for any deal he signed. If he starts at 35m and it increases by 2m per year, that would satisfy the contract while most likely not outpacing the continual rise in QB contracts over the course of the 10 years.
Yeah, however next year the cap will not likely go up, and could very likely go down. They have a 2 year window before this really kicks in, and then it will be extremely difficult for them to build a team around him anywhere close to the one they have right now. It will bring the Chiefs back to the pack as a team, but they had little choice. It's going to be the same type of thing with Watson (except they haven't built much around him to begin with)

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Re: Mahomes new deal

Postby Ray Finkle » Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:27 pm

FantasyFreak wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:15 pm
abloom wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:11 pm
And apparently $140m guarenteed for injury. Sweet deal for the chiefs provided it's not front loaded
Sweet deal for the Chiefs? I'd say for Mahomes. :lol: This type of deal will definitely make it more difficult for them to compete. That's a lot of money tied up in the QB. Obviously they had little choice, but winning a SB will be a lot more difficult for them moving forward.
F it. They got their ring. Dude is amazing and I don’t think it’s hyperbole to say I’m pretty sure every person on earth is a fan of his. Now that he’s locked up it’s time to sit back and rake in cash for the next decade like never before.

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Re: Mahomes new deal

Postby FantasyFreak » Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:30 pm

Ray Finkle wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:27 pm
FantasyFreak wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:15 pm
abloom wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:11 pm


And apparently $140m guarenteed for injury. Sweet deal for the chiefs provided it's not front loaded
Sweet deal for the Chiefs? I'd say for Mahomes. :lol: This type of deal will definitely make it more difficult for them to compete. That's a lot of money tied up in the QB. Obviously they had little choice, but winning a SB will be a lot more difficult for them moving forward.
F it. They got their ring. Dude is amazing and I don’t think it’s hyperbole to say I’m pretty sure every person on earth is a fan of his. Now that he’s locked up it’s time to sit back and rake in cash for the next decade like never before.
I love the deal, being a Raiders fan. It gives the rest of the AFC West a shot. Mahomes is a fun player to watch, objectively, for sure.

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Re: Mahomes new deal

Postby zeeshan2 » Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:37 pm

Ray Finkle wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:27 pm
FantasyFreak wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:15 pm
abloom wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:11 pm


And apparently $140m guarenteed for injury. Sweet deal for the chiefs provided it's not front loaded
Sweet deal for the Chiefs? I'd say for Mahomes. :lol: This type of deal will definitely make it more difficult for them to compete. That's a lot of money tied up in the QB. Obviously they had little choice, but winning a SB will be a lot more difficult for them moving forward.
F it. They got their ring. Dude is amazing and I don’t think it’s hyperbole to say I’m pretty sure every person on earth is a fan of his. Now that he’s locked up it’s time to sit back and rake in cash for the next decade like never before.
not AFC west fans for obvious reasons

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Re: Mahomes new deal

Postby jenkins.math » Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:40 pm

I've mentioned this numerous times, but the highest cap hit for a Super Bowl winning QB in the entire salary cap era is 13.1% and that was Steve Young in year 1. I love Mahomes and understand you had to do it from a PR standpoint. However, if he continues to play at a high level and they don't win another one on his big contract, will that finally change the thinking of handing out these mega deals?
Team 1: 14 team dynasty, 25 man roster, keep 14
QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, 2Flex, D/ST, K, DL, LB, DE
QB: Ryan, Mayfield
RB: Barkley, CEH, Kelley, Ahmed, Snell
WR: OBJ, Evans, Juju, Moore, Jeudy, Reagor, Corey Davis, Cooks
TE: Kittle, L. Thomas
K: Butker
D/ST: Browns, Bears
DL: Buckner
LB: Kendricks
DB: B. Baker

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RB: Barkley, CEH, Gibson, Howard, Perine, Lewis, Ozigbo
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TE: Schultz, Ebron, Thomas, Keene, Jarwin
K: Tucker
D/ST: Steelers, Bills
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RB: AP, Lewis, Perine, JJ Taylor, Vaughn, Mack
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Re: Mahomes new deal

Postby StripesOfKC » Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:46 pm

jenkins.math wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:40 pm
I've mentioned this numerous times, but the highest cap hit for a Super Bowl winning QB in the entire salary cap era is 13.1% and that was Steve Young in year 1. I love Mahomes and understand you had to do it from a PR standpoint. However, if he continues to play at a high level and they don't win another one on his big contract, will that finally change the thinking of handing out these mega deals?
It will be a steal in 4-5 years

Let’s not act like those big deals have prevented teams from putting together rosters capable of winning: 2014 Packers, 2019 49ers, 2016 Falcons, 2018 Saints were all more than capable of winning it all (don’t have the exact cap numbers for QB for all of these teams)
Team 1

8 Team PPR
2 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 3 FLEX, 1 TE, 1 D, 1 K
2019-20 Champion
QB: Burrow, Tannehill, Stafford
RB: Jonathan Taylor, D'Andre Swift,, CEH, Dobbins, Damien Harris, Melvin Gordon, Pollard, Cohen, Tevin Coleman
WR: AJ Brown, McLaurin, Justin Jefferson, Julio, DJ Moore, Allen Robinson, Courtland Sutton, Jerry Jeudy, DJ Chark, Bryan Edwards
TE: Kittle, Hockenson, Gesicki, Trautman
D: Steelers
K: Lutz

2021: 1.6
2022: 3 1sts, 1 2nd, 4 3rds, 2 4ths
2023: 2 1sts, 3 2nds, 2 3rd, 3 4ths

Team 2

10 Team 2QB PPR
2020-21 Runner Up
QB: Mahomes, Matt Ryan, Kirk Cousins, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Dalton
RB: CEH, James Robinson, Kareem Hunt, Zack Moss, Tevin Coleman
WR: Diggs, ARob, Golladay, Lamb, Higgins, Shenault Kupp, Mooney, Gabriel Davis
TE: Fant, Trautman
D: Panthers
K: Blankenship
Picks
2021: 1.9, 2.4, 2.9, 3.9
2022: 1st, 2 2nds, 3rd, 4th
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Re: Mahomes new deal

Postby FantasyFreak » Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:01 pm

StripesOfKC wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:46 pm
jenkins.math wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:40 pm
I've mentioned this numerous times, but the highest cap hit for a Super Bowl winning QB in the entire salary cap era is 13.1% and that was Steve Young in year 1. I love Mahomes and understand you had to do it from a PR standpoint. However, if he continues to play at a high level and they don't win another one on his big contract, will that finally change the thinking of handing out these mega deals?
It will be a steal in 4-5 years

Let’s not act like those big deals have prevented teams from putting together rosters capable of winning: 2014 Packers, 2019 49ers, 2016 Falcons, 2018 Saints were all more than capable of winning it all (don’t have the exact cap numbers for QB for all of these teams)
If it is he'll want to renegotiate. That's how it usually works with elite players. The Chiefs had to do it. Mahomes getting a massive deal was the only way teams like my Raiders were going to be able to compete. It will make the division tighter. Mahomes on a rookie deal, at his level of play was just unfair.

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Re: Mahomes new deal

Postby Packerland » Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:04 pm

Chiefs had to do it but it levels the playing field for a lot of other teams when they won't have all that money tied up into 1 position. Most teams winning SB's now are teams with QB's on Rookie contracts. Won't be as easy to get Mahomes all those shiny new toys with how much money he's taking up.
10 Team .5 PPR 1 QB League

QB: Goff, Brady, Herbert, Tannehill
RB: CEH, JT, Akers, Dobbins, Mixon
WR: Adams, Godwin, McLaurin, Lamb, Chark, Claypool, Pittman, Diontae, Anderson
TE: Andrews, Goedert

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2021: 4 1sts, 1 2nd
2022: 1 1st, 2 2nds

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Re: Mahomes new deal

Postby StripesOfKC » Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:08 pm

FantasyFreak wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:01 pm
StripesOfKC wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:46 pm
jenkins.math wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:40 pm
I've mentioned this numerous times, but the highest cap hit for a Super Bowl winning QB in the entire salary cap era is 13.1% and that was Steve Young in year 1. I love Mahomes and understand you had to do it from a PR standpoint. However, if he continues to play at a high level and they don't win another one on his big contract, will that finally change the thinking of handing out these mega deals?
It will be a steal in 4-5 years

Let’s not act like those big deals have prevented teams from putting together rosters capable of winning: 2014 Packers, 2019 49ers, 2016 Falcons, 2018 Saints were all more than capable of winning it all (don’t have the exact cap numbers for QB for all of these teams)
If it is he'll want to renegotiate. That's how it usually works with elite players. The Chiefs had to do it. Mahomes getting a massive deal was the only way teams like my Raiders were going to be able to compete. It will make the division tighter. Mahomes on a rookie deal, at his level of play was just unfair.
Oh I agree. I hate them but the Raiders have some promise even right now and a lot of young talent on both sides of the ball. I just think they need to toss Carr. I can't fear them until they do that

As for renegotiation it's certainly likely if Mahomes is still playing like this, but it may come in 6 or 7 years rather than 4-5

My main point was that unless the Chiefs drafting or Mahomes' play just falls off a cliff I don't think a big QB contract neuters the team's ability to build a serious Super Bowl contender.

A lot of those teams were absolutely good enough to win it despite a big % of cap to the QB and a couple (2018 Saints, 2016 Falcons) were IMO the best teams that year
Team 1

8 Team PPR
2 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 3 FLEX, 1 TE, 1 D, 1 K
2019-20 Champion
QB: Burrow, Tannehill, Stafford
RB: Jonathan Taylor, D'Andre Swift,, CEH, Dobbins, Damien Harris, Melvin Gordon, Pollard, Cohen, Tevin Coleman
WR: AJ Brown, McLaurin, Justin Jefferson, Julio, DJ Moore, Allen Robinson, Courtland Sutton, Jerry Jeudy, DJ Chark, Bryan Edwards
TE: Kittle, Hockenson, Gesicki, Trautman
D: Steelers
K: Lutz

2021: 1.6
2022: 3 1sts, 1 2nd, 4 3rds, 2 4ths
2023: 2 1sts, 3 2nds, 2 3rd, 3 4ths

Team 2

10 Team 2QB PPR
2020-21 Runner Up
QB: Mahomes, Matt Ryan, Kirk Cousins, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Dalton
RB: CEH, James Robinson, Kareem Hunt, Zack Moss, Tevin Coleman
WR: Diggs, ARob, Golladay, Lamb, Higgins, Shenault Kupp, Mooney, Gabriel Davis
TE: Fant, Trautman
D: Panthers
K: Blankenship
Picks
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2022: 1st, 2 2nds, 3rd, 4th
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Re: Mahomes new deal

Postby abloom » Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:11 pm

Packerland wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:04 pm
Chiefs had to do it but it levels the playing field for a lot of other teams when they won't have all that money tied up into 1 position. Most teams winning SB's now are teams with QB's on Rookie contracts. Won't be as easy to get Mahomes all those shiny new toys with how much money he's taking up.
It's not rookie contracts, it's team friendly contracts. Mahomes' deal very well could be more team friendly down the road than right now depending on how the cap rises.
Dynasty Team #1:
12 team, 1 ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,2F,1D,1K

Q: Wentz,Tannehill
R: CMC,Taylor,Robinson,Fournette
W: Evans,Edelman,G Davis, C Davis, Mooney,Lazard
T: Goedert,Henry
D: NE
K: Succop

2021 Picks: 1.02,2.05,4.02,5.02,6.02,7.02
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12 team, 1ppr (1.5 te), 1Q,2R,2W,1T,1SF,1F,1D,1K

Q: Wilson, Murray, Watson, Dalton
R: Cook, Dobbins, Swift, Monty
W: Nuk, Godwin, Metcalf, K Allen, Sutton
T: Kelce
K: Tucker
D: PIT

2021 picks: 1.05,4.06,4.12,5.12,6.12,7.07
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DLF advice forum league:
14 team, SF, 1PPR (2PPR for TE), 1Q,2R,3W,1T,1SF,2F

Q: Mahomes ,Watson, Rodgers, Love, Mullens, Kaepernick
R: Michel, Moss, J Wilson, harris, hines, Damien Williams
W: Juju, Cooper, K Allen, E Sanders, David Moore, Callaway, Coulter, Quez Watkins
T: Thomas, Schultz, Asiasi, Warring, Shaheen

2021 Picks: 1.12,3.04,4.04,4.06,4.10

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Re: Mahomes new deal

Postby Packerland » Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:20 pm

abloom wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:11 pm
Packerland wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:04 pm
Chiefs had to do it but it levels the playing field for a lot of other teams when they won't have all that money tied up into 1 position. Most teams winning SB's now are teams with QB's on Rookie contracts. Won't be as easy to get Mahomes all those shiny new toys with how much money he's taking up.
It's not rookie contracts, it's team friendly contracts. Mahomes' deal very well could be more team friendly down the road than right now depending on how the cap rises.
Like FantasyFreak said I'm sure if it becomes "overly team friendly" then there will be negotiations down the line in order to give him more. Not sure what the language of the contract says but that's my guess as well.
10 Team .5 PPR 1 QB League

QB: Goff, Brady, Herbert, Tannehill
RB: CEH, JT, Akers, Dobbins, Mixon
WR: Adams, Godwin, McLaurin, Lamb, Chark, Claypool, Pittman, Diontae, Anderson
TE: Andrews, Goedert

Picks:
2021: 4 1sts, 1 2nd
2022: 1 1st, 2 2nds

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Re: Mahomes new deal

Postby zeeshan2 » Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:22 pm

Rapoport reporting something else:



The #Chiefs and QB Patrick Mahomes have agreed to terms on a 10-year extension worth $503 million, sources tell me and @TomPelissero. He gets $477M in guarantee mechanisms and gives the ability for Mahomes to have outs if the guarantee mechanisms aren’t exercised. No trade clause

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) July 6, 2020



https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/128 ... =twsrc^tfw

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Re: Mahomes new deal

Postby FantasyFreak » Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:30 pm

zeeshan2 wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:22 pm
Rapoport reporting something else:



The #Chiefs and QB Patrick Mahomes have agreed to terms on a 10-year extension worth $503 million, sources tell me and @TomPelissero. He gets $477M in guarantee mechanisms and gives the ability for Mahomes to have outs if the guarantee mechanisms aren’t exercised. No trade clause

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) July 6, 2020



https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/128 ... =twsrc^tfw
:wtf: :shock:

I can't see the "next man up" thing happening after this. The next QB isn't getting this.


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